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Anavar and liver toxicity

VANIAN

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Heard in Geneva:
Oxandrin May Cause Liver Toxicity
by Michael Mooney (Original article in issue #7, October, 1998. Updated July, 2001)
(See also Dr. Donald Abrams review in The AIDS Reader March, 2001;11(3)

While Oxandrin is promoted as being non-toxic to the liver, the truth is Oxandrin is a 17-alpha alkylated oral anabolic steroid so it has the potential to burden the liver, just like any other oral 17-alpha alkylated steroid. We have questioned that its potential for liver toxicity would be enhanced when it is used with other liver-challenging drugs like protease inhibitors and other standard AIDS medications, or with higher dosages. We have an answer.

At the Geneva AIDS Conference, Dr. Carl Grunfeld presented the preliminary results of a placebo controlled dose-ranging study that used 20, 40 and 80 mg daily doses that showed that doses of 40 and 80 mg cause incidence of elevated transaminases (SGOT and SGPT), which may indicate liver toxicity.

Doses above 20 mg per day were tested because 20 mg was found to be relatively ineffective for lean mass gain in some men. Oxandrin is a better option for women who need about half the men’s dose. Children need much less. Although most studies tell us that Oxandrin is relatively safe for HIV-negative people, oxandrolone produced evidence of liver toxicity in studies of boys with kidney failure in 1980.1 We have been somewhat surprised at the number of HIV(+) men who report to us that Oxandrin caused elevations in the blood tests that can indicate liver toxicity. Physician’s should monitor liver tests carefully when Oxandrin, or any oral anabolic steroid is used, especially in higher doses.

Winstrol, another oral steroid is a less expensive option for males. It appears to be somewhat more anabolic than Oxandrin, and a 6 to 18 mg. daily dose has produced good muscle gains without detectable liver burden in males we’ve observed. Anadrol is another powerful option, and while it is thought to be toxic to the liver, we had not had one report of Anadrol at doses as high as 150 mg per day causing elevated liver enzymes until July, 1999, after Anadrol had been on the market for about a year and a half.

This male reported that he had used Anadrol with no negative effect on his liver enzymes when he was using the anti-HIV medications Viracept, Zerit, and Epivir. About nine months after he ended the first Anadrol cycle he started a new cycle of Anadrol, but this time his HIV medications consisted of a cocktail of Videx, Viramune, Hydroxyurea, and Ziagen. Within a few months of this second cycle of Anadrol, blood tests that can indicate liver problems became elevated. It appears that one or more of the medications he was using had some problematic interaction with Anadrol. While we do not know conclusively which medication(s) may have promoted the problem, we have been hearing reports of liver toxicity being associated with hydroxyurea used in combination with other medications in HIV, so this should be taken into consideration.

Interestingly, he also said, "... Anadrol produced much quicker, better results regarding muscle growth. It seemed that just looking at weights added mass! I went from about 185 lbs to about 203 lbs in about 4 months. After stopping the Anadrol and continuing the workouts, I leveled out at 195. The Oxandrin seems to be less effective, although to be fair, I've only been on it for 3 weeks."

Added July, 2001: As time has passed since Anadrol has been introduced into the HIV community, evidence of liver toxicity has appeared, but generally with higher dose use. It appears that oral steroid doses over 20 mg per day, in general, should be considered to have potential for liver toxicity. Anadrol has been prescribed in HIV medicine in doses up to 150 mg per day, and at this dose we have had some reports of liver enzyme elevations, including GGT, a discreet liver function test.

Compare Drug Toxicity at Equal Doses

It is important to note that comparisons of studies that showed a seeming lack of a negative effect of Oxandrin on liver enzymes with HIV(-) and HIV(+) people related to studies of Anadrol that showed a negative effect are not credible. When we consider that liver toxicity is a dose-related phenomena, and then consider that the typical doses that Anadrol has been used and studied at are often 100 mg per day, and the doses that Oxandrin has been used and studied at are usually about 10 to 15 mg per day, there is no credible way to use data from these studies to compare the potential for toxicity of the two steroids. To accurately compare them each steroid must be given at the same dosage to matched subjects.

The Grunfeld study that showed that Oxandrin caused elevated SGOT and SGPT enzymes raises questions about whether Oxandin is just as potentially toxic as any other steroid at higher doses.

Those who’ve had liver disease or are using protease inhibitors (especially Norvir) should have their liver function tested regularly while using any oral steroid and take liver protectants like evening primrose oil, silymarin, lipoic acid, glutamine, and N-acetyl-cysteine.

Also, because oral steroids can decrease the "good" HDL cholesterol and increase the "bad" LDL cholesterol, oral steroids can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD). If you use oral anabolic steroids consider taking 400 to 800 IU of Vitamin E, and 1,000 to 2,000 mg. of Vitamin C with each meal. These vitamin antioxidants help to protect cholesterol from the oxidation that is associated with CVD.
 
WTF?

Good post, ....actually I mean informative post not good. This goes against alot of what I know to be true about anavar and winny and anadrol. This seems a bit shakey. Bump for anybody else's thoughts.
 
I think I'll try some A bombs.

This is interesting stuff. However, I don't know how much it applies to most of us, who don't have AIDS and aren't also taking a cocktail of other liver-challenging drugs like protease inhibitors and other standard AIDS medications. The ox has always been very kind to me.
 
Liver problems are not a problem up untill the 4th week or so in most cases. This can be avoided by using Alpha Litropic Acid (ALA) from start to 1 month post cycle. Primrose oil also is a good combo with ALA. Milk thistle does not cut it.
 
Milk Tistle does not cut it...

LONE_AZ said:
Liver problems are not a problem up untill the 4th week or so in most cases. This can be avoided by using Alpha Litropic Acid (ALA) from start to 1 month post cycle. Primrose oil also is a good combo with ALA. Milk thistle does not cut it.

i agree with you and have been saying this on the board OVER AND OVER again. And in my opinion we can go on saying this forever....

As for the good cholesterol going down and bad cholesterol up, this is true, but what the article does NOT say is that Ox thins your blood. Still risky, but less change for a heart attack.

When doing 120 mgr Ox/day i get nose bleeds like an average of one/day (sometimes none, sometimes 3 times/day).
Although many associate this with high BP , i do not have high BP.
Also this stops very fast after lowering the dose. I do not think that your BP will get stable in just one day. So nosebleeds may appear to some due to high BP, but not in my case and certainly not from taking Ox and/or Winny.
 
do we know why the cholesterol levels in our bodies get messed up? is it because cholesterol go through the liver or it because testosterone production relies on sterols and cholesterol?
 
I think the opening article is a little misleading (I DID skim it mind you, sorry M.M.).

Yes, Oxandrolone is a c17AA with liver-toxic potential.. All steroids of this type share this trait obviously. But there are studies showing mg for mg oxandrolone to cause less strain on the liver than other c17aa's, as measured by BSP levels. 72% less than Halo with the same given dose for example.. I agree 100% that it IS liver toxic, but also feel it is prob the least so of the c-17aa group.

- Bill Llewellyn
 
I can't believe this stupid ariticle is being posted again. At least this time it's not green.
This article is a bunch of crap. The grunsfeld study as it's called was never published nor reviewed. No one even knows if it was ever completed or what the results were. As a matter of fact no one even knows who the heck Grunsfeld is. You see the reference is to priliminary findings. But that was the end of it. The whole aritlcle is filed with inaccuracies and misleading statements like.."The Grunfeld study that showed that Oxandrin caused elevated SGOT and SGPT enzymes raises questions about whether Oxandin is just as potentially toxic as any other steroid at higher doses."
THERE IS NO GRUNSFELD STUDY!!!!
 
Let's not fool ourself. Anavar is definately the safest oral steroid. At dosage of no more then 20mg/day it's being proven to elevate liver enzymes only slightly, nothing really to be concerned about.
As, for doses recomended by some homegrown gurus, well, it's still better then a few beers and couple of Tylenols after.
Anyway, 40, 60 and more mgs per day may want you to go get a blood test.
 
There is some confusion here.

On a mg for mg basis Anavar is generally MORE liver toxic than many other 17-aa orals. Look, you would much rather take 50mg of Dbol or 100mg of Anadrol per day than take the exact same amount of mg dosage of Anavar. Anavar is potent and can exhibit some toxicity even in 20mg per day doses. This is definitely not the case with Dbol or Anadrol at comparable dosages. Say you still don't believe it, well then go take 100mg of Anavar and tell us how you feel....

DrG
 
Good info. There is no question that anavar is liver toxic. I think that it can be considered relatively safe if being used for less than 12 weeks at a time at .125g/body weight. Good point on oral steroids and cholesterol. I think it shouldn't be too hard for people to have some blood work done periodically.
 
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