An interesting question from my cousin....

[DJLegacy2k1]

My cousin is a personal trainer and he had a client come in and ask him about "gyno" in men. My cousin although a very smart guy when it comes to diets and training doesnt know too many specifics.

So the question from him is, how do you know if a person is just carrying extra body fat and will lose the flabby chest, or if its a medical issue? He said the guy has been in the lower to mid 20% bf range for a couple years, and the guy asked him if he should be concerned about fat stored on his chest.

What should I tell my cousin? lol Im not sure myself.

 

[Aries13]

well.....first of all, has this guy ever done AAS??? If thats the case than he's a lost cause and can only get them surgically fixed. Now, if he hasn't , then it all comes down to genetics. I wish genetics could be changed...if they could, my booty would be A LOT smaller (haha), BUT they are almost imposible to reverse. IMO, if he 'naturally' got these boobies, then he needs to be on a VERY clean strict diet. You cannot pick where you want the fat to come off from(I WISH), so he is gonna have to try and workout as best as he can and hopefully, the chest fat he's stuck with will go away.

Also, I have heard soooooooo many good things about an AF product called Yohimburn ES (YES) which when used properly (along with hard training/clean diet) can target stubborn FAT that just wont come off on its own. In women, it targets the so called "estrogenic fat" around the butt/thigh area....can also be applied to stomach...all over the body is you wish.....I would love to use it but I cant afford it. However, if nothing works for him, he could try to use this product on his chest

https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/ <-------this is the link to the AF store

 

[*Bunny*]

With that said ^^^


I'd want to know specifically what he is eating ... DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET(fitday.... lol )

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Muhahahahaha, The bunny strikes again

My cousin just started training this guy a couple days ago. He has never done any "thing". He's an average joe who wants to lose some weight and he is just starting his road to losing the fat and getting into shape. I think he's in his mid 20s, and supposedly has been in the 20%'s as far as body fat goes since he was in high school. From what im told, he was seraching for diet info online and came across a site that talked about male gyno, and he became worried that working out and dieting may leave him with chest fat and "boobs" as he says. So my cousin doesnt know what to tell him since he's honestly not sure. He doesnt want to insure the guy that it will go away, and he doesnt want to tell the guy he has a problem that can only be solved by drugs and surgery, without getting some ideas on whats going on.

I use all the AF products so I am aware of YES :-D

My cousin has him following a CKD type diet, like what Im doing. This isnt a question of, "he cant lose the fat", because he is just starting so hes not sure what will happen, but he does have some chest fat, so the guy is freaking about about it because he said he thinks he has a little puffier nips (outter sides) than normal, my cousin told him that could be from being over weight for many years. He has not reported and pain or nething. So Im just looking for some info and opinions to tell my cousin for this guy.

 

[alex2678]

Agreed with Bunny and Aries posts. I'm noticing a trend lately of people who think they have gyno but really just have excess bodyfat. True some people can have more fat receptors in their chest and can have some pubescent gyno, but if this guy gets his bodyfat down in the 7-8 % range it should hardly be noticable.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Thanks for the help so far guys, I dont want to give my cousin any wrong info to give to this guy lol...Then Id feel bad, so the more input the better :-D

Getting him down to 7%-8%, yeah my cousin only has to get him to drop 17% bf, not a hard job :-D Just kidding...

I havent seen the guy myself so I cant give any real specifics Im only going off what im told, so it makes it a little bit harder to figure out.

 

[alex2678]

Getting him down to 7%-8%, yeah my cousin only has to get him to drop 17% bf, not a hard job :-D Just kidding...

LOL. Even at 10-13 % bodyfat he should have at least part of his abs visible and a lot less "puffiness" on his chest. It's definitely going to take some time.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Indeed, you know the funny thing though...I love how people are their worse critics and cant see change...

I dropped from 190lbs to 165lbs in 3 months....and I didnt think I saw any change in my body, except I had added a small amount of LBM cuz of all the lifting I was doing. I think some of us get an issure stuck in our head and no matter what we do we always see that certain issue, if its there or not. When I was down around 165 I felt like I hadnt lost anything as far and looks are concerned.

Im just hoping I can get this guy enough correct info so that he doesnt dwell on it and let it hinder his results. I know what its like to get stuck on wanting something and if its not perfect you cant be happy with the results.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

I highly doubt it's true gyno.

If he has a hard lump under his nipple then that calls for surgury. But i know some people that have had that went on a strict Clomid and/or Nolva "therapy" and got rid of the hard lump.

I too had man boobs... i'll admit it. Diet, Training, Cardio... in that order worked for me.

 

[Lifterforlife]

One can have gyno without ever doing AAS. One common scenario is they have a high aromatazation/conversion rate of test to estrogen. This can by the way happen early on, and if nothing is done(not diagnosed), they will develop gyno.

One indication of E issues is to see where he carries his weight more. If he can for instance cut rather easily in the upper body, but have a hard time with the legs and low midsection, this can be an indication of estrogen issues.

I would not scare him with this, I would if I was his trainer simply work with him and get his diet right, and see how he progresses. If these issues I noted above seem to stay no matter what, (breast issues, difficulty moving fat from legs, etc.) he may well have the high turnover rate. If this is the case, an anti E like armidex would be in order, and some nolva to get rid of the already ocurring breast issues.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

What can he do to tell?...Ive seen "hard lump" mentioned, is this one lump or what, can he self test himself to see what hes looking for?

How can u tell the difference between fat, gyno, muscle? What should he look for?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

bump for the morning so I can let me cousin know whats up :-D

 

[SgtSlaughter]

uh oh... you've seen a hard lump or felt it under his nipple?

It'll be right under there.. you can do a few google searches for pictures if you like.

Sounds like he's got gyno bro... do some manuel searching in the AAS forum (since your not plat.) and find some pages on gyno and the nolv/clomid "therapy" before he opts surgury (~$3k+).

The surgury won't make the man boobs go away completly if he does have a higher bf% ... that's all diet modification.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I said Ive seen "hard lump" mentioned, I didnt say anyone has seen a hard lump with this client. I dunno, I'll pass this info along and see if he can figure it all out.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

I didnt say anyone has seen a hard lump with this client. I dunno, I'll pass this info along and see if he can figure it all out.

opps.

"Herkcd' un Fonikz Werkd fur ME"

Yeah pass on the info... and a hyperlink to GOOGLE.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

You know i did some searches to see what i could find and all i normally find is "definitions"...and pesuedo-gyenocomstia that always say "its from being fat but you need surgery", if its just fat then cant that be worked off? Also they all say, "right under the nipple there would be a hard disk", is this around the outter edges or right in the middle, is it easy to tell the difference between fat build up, muscle and the gyno. It seems its a very off topic because they report that between 1% and 60% of people will have it at some point, they say the numbers are so far off because people self report it but its not always real gyeno. Im more confused now that I was before lol

 

[SgtSlaughter]

fat... can NOT be flexed hard.
muscle... can be flexed easily if you have a little bit to flex even (has he worked out ever?.. have him do some benching get the feel for his chest and have him self diagnosis)
Lump: can be felt easily... muscle... soft but can be made hard... fat is fat... come one now... a lump, is HARD... may be semi soft, but one should be able to discern between fat/muscle/lump.

lol... all these damn posts about it, call the dude up and walk him through it on the phone while he feels himself up. Oh crap... he's a client of your cousin now i think if i remember correctly... oh well, relay the info I guess.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

That i was just playing messenger, i told my cousin to figure it all out lmao :-D

 

[SgtSlaughter]

funny... but kinda not... hope you printed out this thread at least.

I don't like feeling like I've wasted my time and energy on something that's not going to be helpful or used.