America's double standard

[Sushi X]

King George and Duke Cheney has declared, unofficially, war on Iraq for "violating U.N. sacntions and guidelines". Why does'nt KG say anything about Israel's illegal settlements in the west bank which the U.N. has been on them about for years now. What about turkey who occupies northern cyprus or morraco who invaded the northern sahara in the mid seventies and remains there today? It seems to me the current admin only sees with tunnel vision. Ok, so Iraq has bio/chem weapons and is working on nukes, Israel has them too so why not say anything about that? They could easily use them(bio/chems) against palestinians. I mean why not, they already do nothing to help them. I don't condone the bombings nor do i condone the counterattacks by the israeli military. note, military versus civilains. I'm not anti-Zion or pro-palestine, what i am for is Israel leaving the settlements and let the Palestinians have them and live there in peace. i wish peace for both sides. Now back to the U.S. and it's target Iraq. It seems all to clear that all our King is interested in is oil and revenge and playing the hero or democracy which he seems to know and or care nothing about. Osama views Saddam as the enemy, an infedel, so why would the two be linked when one hates the other? I think ol King George has lost sight of his war on terror and decided to create war with terror.

i guess we will have to wait and see what happends. i'll add more to this later. i have a good article i want to summarize and add to this. it'll open some eyes. for those who are going to send me bad karma for opposing the King, go ahead. Part of the beauty of Democracy and our Constitution is the freedom to oppose our leadership when they go too far or do things we don't agree with.

 

[danielson]

i do worry whats gonna happen with the world.....why islam went so militant, and why we continue to blindly support illegal actions in israel

 

[spentagn]

Besides Israel having a greater lobby in America than Iraq (or Muslim countries in general), both of those countries you mentioned are democracies, which America is obviously going to be more favorable to.

 

[casavant]

i do worry whats gonna happen with the world.....why islam went so militant, and why we continue to blindly support illegal actions in israel

I think it's because the world is just as fucked as it's ever been.

There's never going to be peace on earth.

 

[danielson]

I think it's because the world is just as fucked as it's ever been.

There's never going to be peace on earth.

make sexual intercourse compulsuary every 2 days. everyone will be too mellowed out to fight

 

[JDarty6173]

Well obviously Iraq is a much greater threat to the US. Especially with stockpiles of BioChems and Nukes.. Thats just a scary thought...

 

[Sushi X]

you know it's funny danielson, most muslims around the world despise what's going on with the extreme militants. i've recently started studying islam and it is forbidden to be a radical, an extremist or a militant. fighting is allowed to defend one's self, family, friends, the weak, a country or things along that nature. what's going on in that is against the teachings of Islam and is giving muslims a bad name.

as far as the democracies go, is it not hypocritical to look the other way when our "friends of democracy" are conducting illegal acts and violating U.N. sanctions all the while criticizing North Korea, Iraq, and Iran? Our government, unfortunately, has become one of do as we say not as we do and that is going to make us an outcast sooner or later. If we don't wake up and elect people who genuinely care about he American people and the people of the world we are going to continue to be a target for terrorism and eventually we will turn some if not most of our allies against us.

 

[danielson]

you know it's funny danielson, most muslims around the world despise what's going on with the extreme militants. i've recently started studying islam and it is forbidden to be a radical, an extremist or a militant. fighting is allowed to defend one's self, family, friends, the weak, a country or things along that nature. what's going on in that is against the teachings of Islam and is giving muslims a bad name.

i dont think so myself (on most muslims depsising it)

its forbidden to be radical, extremist etc. but the warnings signs were made toward christians andjews, presumably because it was assumed that muslims would never become fanatical

however, islam also allows an eye for and eye, and fighting with more extreme measures under jihad. also it distinguishes muslim lives from non-muslims and also sets a up a system where anyone who does die will go to paradise if they have lived a good life

consequently given so many civillians have died in the wars funded by the west, civillians are on target, and its peoples duty under jihad to fight back.....and given the level of uneducation in the muslim world (many of its people live in poverty its fair to say) this view is amplified

then this view is allowed o take root in mosques etc where people are allowed to come in and talk about this tuff, giving their arguement religious weight. as a result, the actions seem much more justifiable

islam in theory sounds an excellent religion and its kinsmanship between brethren is admirable, but its strict enforcement, lack of respect to others views and beliefs and inability to change means i dont think theres anything in the religion to make people think twice about what they are doing

 

[ImSoBig]

Islamic terrorism started with the creation of Israel, before I belived if they gave the Palestianinas a state the Islamic Militants would stop their terror, but now that terroism has gone out of control, and I really dont think it can be stoped, even with the creation of palestine.

 

[Sushi X]

islam in theory sounds an excellent religion and its kinsmanship between brethren is admirable, but its strict enforcement, lack of respect to others views and beliefs and inability to change means i dont think theres anything in the religion to make people think twice about what they are doing

actually other religions are repsepcted and tolerated. they are people of the book, as refered to in the teachings of the Quran and the proverbs of Muhammad. the bad thing is though, seeing like you said many cannot read or write, they have to go by hearsay and that can be dangerous and unfair to them. the problem i see rising now is the total lack of love, respect and caring towards the Muslims by Jewish and Christians alike. All i hear is protect Israel, Muslims are evil, let's get all the jews back to Israel so they can live there(TBN is helping sponsor this exodus) and let's make terrorists or all who follow Islam. that is one reason i am not happy these days with our politicians, christian leaders and christians themselves, and even non religious people who seem to target the arabs/muslims. it was asked why am i learning Islam, my response was someone has to learn about it and understand it so that someone can stand up for them and be in their corner when they are unjustly discriminated against. i plan to be that person and if that puts me out of favor with the christian population then so be it. they obviously have forgotten love thy neighbor.

 

[beefybull]

"Dont mess with Texas" - George Dub

 

[danielson]

no i understand fully the kinsmanship between muslims, that was what i was alluding to, i.e. if one muslim dies, others take up the fight, charity donations are manditory etc


but ultimatley not enough is being done in the muslim world to address this problem of ineducation.....why are extremists allowed to spout propaganda in mosques.....why is this ineducation allowed to continue.....why do islamic states refuse to condemn and take action against one another (the taliban).....why did the nazi-esque treatment of hindu's by the taliban go unmentioned by other muslim states, why has islam taken such an aggressive stance over the years in regards to conversion. i kid you not, there are meetings here and resources where co-ercive tactics are being used to convert

is this true islam? i doubt it, as muslims lived with jews and christians in harmony (Oif only for a while) in the past. but the lack of self condemnation in the muslim world is what scares me so much....i have no idea what he command hierachy is, but something really needs to be done about it. mohammed had the angel gibaeel to warn him about satanic ways, no-one with voice in the muslim world seems to have realised that, and its pushing us towards the conflict prophecised in the koran

and yes, i am shocked by the intolerance on both sides

 

[Sushi X]

maybe they are afraid to speak out much like many people are afraid to speak out against our government.

 

[danielson]

maybe

but if islam is ever to integrate into modern society, i think it needs to condemn those who try to destroy that society......and it suggests that those high up in circles of power dont dis-approve of broad based violence

many famous muslims have commented on how islam used to be soooooo peaceful in the past. of course now they fear for their lives

 

[ImSoBig]

hey sushi i know about the people of the book etc, im italian but i am muslim

these terriosts are giving islam a bad name and something needs to be doen to stop it

 

[danielson]

hey sushi i know about the people of the book etc, im italian but i am muslim

these terriosts are giving islam a bad name and something needs to be doen to stop it

agreed

its frighting to see how easily a section of the populace can be mentally segragated from the rest of the populace....i just hope it doesnt go too far

 

[Sushi X]

true that danielson.

imsobig, it's good to see a muslim on here and i agree they are giving muslims a bad name much like certain religious leaders and extremists give christians a bad name at times too but not like the muslims though. my heart goes out to the peace loving muslims of the world.