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Two-Thirds of Americans Support War on Iraq -Poll
Sat February 1, 2003 10:05 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two-thirds of Americans support going to war in Iraq, and more than half believe the Bush administration should wage an attack even if the United Nations disapproves, a survey released on Saturday showed.
The ABC News/Washington Post poll of 855 adults, conducted in the days after President Bush's State of the Union address on Tuesday, reported a rise in U.S. approval ratings for Bush's approach to Iraq.

About 61 percent of those polled backed the White House stance, an 11 percentage point jump since the group's last survey on Jan. 20. Support for military action to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein grew 9 percentage points to 66 percent.

The number of those who "strongly" supported military action hit 48 percent, and 18 percent said they strongly opposed it.

Secretary of State Colin Powell is due to appear before the U.N. Security Council on Wednesday to present evidence about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and to rally support for military action to disarm Baghdad.

In the poll, 51 percent of respondents said they favored attacking Iraq even if the United Nations should oppose it, the first time a majority has said so.

On the evidence issue, 54 percent said the Bush administration has presented enough evidence to warrant an attack, though 57 percent said they would like to see more.

Just over half -- 52 percent -- said circumstantial evidence alone, without hard proof that Iraq possess banned weapons, would not be enough to justify war.

Respondents were nearly evenly split on whether "preserving U.S. access to Mideast oil" was a major motivator for war. About 78 percent agreed "protecting the United States from Iraqi and terrorist threats" was a main reason.

The poll was conducted by telephone between Jan. 30 and Feb. 1. Its findings are believed accurate within 3.5 percentage points.
 
2/3 rds would be around 66% and this is @ 61% and these pools have a +- swing of 10% that is a huge swing under the curve. The proper thing to do is average out 4 or 5 sets of sample data over a period of 3 months to create a decent statistical representation,
 
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MortyJackson said:


Hahaha. I love it when you bitch like a girl.

Its jihad time baby!

Listen you little bitch. Quit following me around on every damn thread I post. Are you fucking gay or something?:mad:

Don't make me bitch slap you!!!!
 
FreakMonster said:


Listen you little bitch. Quit following me around on every damn thread I post. Are you fucking gay or something?:mad:

Don't make me bitch slap you!!!!

Oh no! The liberal sissy is getting angry! Whatever happened to peace and love?

Ill celebrate war when i think the war is whats best for us.
 
The bottom line is. . . . .

Saddam has weapons.

Saddam is a threat to the Middle East.

Saddam is a person who threatens and butchers his own people.

Saddam has caused instability between socio-economic groups throughout Iraq.

Here is what I say:

Provide credible evidence, present it to the UN, gain support by majority, then go to war to remove Saddam from power.

I would love to see the people of Iraq liberated from lies, oppression, and terror.
 
Mackavelli said:
Imagine if Iraq etc had cells in america waiting for us to attack and then started dropping bombs etc in our country. Not too far fetched.

1. That didnt happen during the first gulf war.

2. How would that change anything?
 
America is just Eager for War
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." —Saul Bellow.

Sometimes I think I will scream the next time I hear some of the "arguments" from those so eager to invade Iraq. Too many of these people are apparently incapable of thinking in terms of principles or of applying their ideas consistently across multiple situations. Still, the war-ites do excel at concrete-bound thinking, rationalizations, evasions, and context-dropping in their interminable quest to convince us that Saddam Hussein is an "immediate" threat.

What do the war-ophiles say (over and over and over...) with serious demeanor and steely-eyed intensity?

Lessee...

1. Saddam Hussein is a dictator.

2. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. (WoMD...and if I hear that phrase one more time..., I will scream...)

3. Saddam Hussein has used WoMD.

4. Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons.

5. Saddam Hussein is developing nuclear weapons.

6. Saddam Hussein supports terrorists.

7. Saddam Hussein has given money and weapons to terrorists.

8. Saddam Hussein is in league with al-Qaeda and ol' Osama. (You remember Osama, right? Last name, Bin Laden? The guy who is supposed to have directed those Saudi brethren of his to attack on 9-11-01?)

9. Saddam Hussein conspired with al-Qaeda to attack on 9-11-01.

10. Saddam Hussein is a Muslim.

11. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

12. Saddam Hussein loves Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. Even though Saddam Hussein is a secular nut case, and he would not want to give the religious fundamentalist nut cases too much power because he would be the first one they would want to remove, he still loves them. And they love him.

13. Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States.

14. Saddam Hussein is a potential threat to the United States. After all, anyone and everyone can be viewed as a "potential" threat if we define that word vaguely enough or don't bother to define it, at all. Our constant assertions that Iraq is a potential threat makes it so. Didn't we successfully use this same approach to pass anti-self-defense laws, occupational licensing, anti-recreational drug laws, zoning laws, building codes, business regulations, and environmental rules?

15. Saddam Hussein is evil.

16. Saddam Hussein is an aggressor.

17. Saddam Hussein has invaded his neighbors.

18. Saddam Hussein agreed to U.N. terms — inspections etc. — after the first Iraq-U.S. war and is violating that agreement. It is, too, valid to use the results of a previous unconstitutional, undeclared war that we should not have been involved with in the first place to justify a new unconstitutional and unnecessary war. We say so.

19. The first Iraq-U.S. war justifies the next Iraq-U.S. war.

20. The President does not need a declaration of war from Congress to fight a war. He does not even need authorization from Congress, because the Constitution makes the Prez the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Also, past presidents waged war dozens of times without any ol' declaration of war, so it's okay for the current CinC to do so, as well. While it would be nice if Congress agreed, the Prez does not really require any kind of authorization from them. Besides, since the Prez is not expressly forbidden by the Constitution from using troops on his own say-so whenever he wants to, he has the right to do whatever is not expressly forbidden, even if that power is not listed in the Constitution. Like holding American citizens in prison without the opportunity to consult a lawyer or appear before a court or plead their innocence. After all, we already know such scum are guilty. No need to worry, though; we'll never use such tactics against good, patriotic American citizens such as you. Police state? Never!

21. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

22. The President does not need the approval of the U.N. or the allies of the United States to attack Iraq.

23. We have evidence for all these claims. We'll provide that evidence any day now. Sure. It's coming. Be patient. Hang on. Almost there. We really can prove what we're saying. We say so, so it must be true.

24. The United States government and the Prez have no reason to lie. Even if we lied in the past about some things — like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Iraqi atrocities in the first Gulf conflict, our knowledge of what Japan was up to prior to Pearl Harbor, shipping war materiel to Britain prior to WW II, using our citizens for secret medical studies and experiments, the dangers of marijuana and drugs, what all our programs would accomplish and how much they would cost, not using Social Security numbers for identification purposes — this time we are not lying or distorting the truth. Honest. After all, sometimes in the past, we did tell the truth about something. If we say it is so, that should be good enough for everybody else.

25. Only unpatriotic SOB's don't agree that we should go to war, now, immediately. Antiwar protesters are rotten, dirty commie-pinko fags. Worse, they're liberals. Worse, they are enemies of the United States. They probably don't even believe in taxes and all the wonderful things we do for them with their own money.

26. A war with Iraq won't cost all that much money. What's a few billions...or tens of billions...or hundreds of billions among friends?

27. The economy will actually improve once we kick Saddam Hussein out since investors won't be worrying about whether we will go to war or not. We'll be there!

28. We have to protect Israel. They may be a nation that never heard of the separation of church and state, but, hey, we don't believe in that, either, and besides, they're better than the really evil people in the Mideast.

29. We have the right to establish democracy in Iraq. Even though the British tried that ninety or so years ago and failed miserably, we'll get it right. Now, the Iraqis won't be free, exactly, since we'll have to have tens of thousands of troops to rule their nation as we rebuild the country that we destroyed in our invasion. Someday they'll leave.

30. The Iraqi people will sing hosannas and kiss our feet when we defeat Saddam Hussein and occupy their country. They love us. They really do. They hate Saddam Hussein. They'll rise up to oust their evil rulers and thank us for the opportunity. At least, those who are still alive will.

31. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

32. We'll stop Saddam Hussein from torching his oil fields. Don't worry about that. Just because we didn't stop him from doing that in Kuwait, this time we'll get it right.

33. Saddam Hussein is a threat to our oil supply. Just because it's in his country, it's really ours. And if we really really need something, then, bigod, it's our right to secure it for ourselves.

34. There won't be all that much collateral damage, either. Still, don't forget, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. A few civilian men, women, and children may accidentally be killed. Just a few, though. And that's Saddam Hussein's fault, too.

35. We won't lose all that many soldiers. We'll kick Iraq's ass in a week. Two or three tops. Even if we do get our hair mussed a bit, it won't be any big deal. Don't pay any attention to those body bags behind the curtain.

36. We'll crush terrorism when we defeat Saddam Hussein. We'll win the War on Terrorism just as we've won the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty and the War on Ignorance and... Well...

37. We won't see any significant increase in terrorist activity in the U.S. and elsewhere after we invade. Muslims in the Mideast and around the world will be glad we eliminated the threat that Saddam Hussein posed. Even if the Islamic Jihad boys can't quite work up a love jones for us, who cares about a bunch of foreign rag heads, anyway? We'll have a steel-clad border between us and Canada and Mexico that will make the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain look like sieves. 'Course, the latter were meant to keep people in from getting out, not those outside from getting in, but... And we have had a might bit of difficulty keeping drug smugglers from waltzing into our country... Did we mention that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction?

38. We have not and will not lose any of our freedoms or rights in our fight against Iraq and terrorism. The PATRIOT Act and Total Information Awareness and TIPS and TTIC and airport searches and national ID cards and cameras and face-recognition and random bodily searches and all the rest enhance our freedom and our rights while making us much, much safer. Trust us.

39. Preemptive strikes based on what someone might do are totally justified. Better "safe than sorry." We should punish people based on what they say and what they might do, not just on what they have done or are in the process of doing. While the "precautionary principle" is bad, very bad, when the environmental nuts use it, it is wonderfully appropriate when we appeal to it.

40. Absence of evidence that Saddam Hussein has nasty weapons is not evidence that such weapons are absent. Therefore, whether we find evidence of WoMD or not, we are completely justified in attacking Iraq whenever we damned well feel like it. If the Iraqis can't prove a negative, it's their own damned fault.

41. Saddam Hussein is the worst threat we face today, worse than North Korea or Libya or Jordan or Red China or Saudi Arabia or any other country run by dictator-types. Besides, Saddam Hussein has all that oil. He'll destroy that oil if we don't invade, and then where will the U.S. be? So we have to invade.

42. Saddam Hussein might use his weapons of mass destruction if we invade, so we have to invade so he can't use them.

42. The purpose of our government is to make the world safe for democracy, to free all unfree countries, and to force those nations that refuse to do what we tell them to do to obey us. We have to protect those primitive peoples from their own ignorant selves.

And, finally:

43. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

You believe us now, right? We've said it enough times. Right?

Right?

Oh, yeah... Right...

Much of what the war-onauts are claiming is true. Nearly all of it is irrelevant to whether the United States should invade Iraq.

Most of the points the war-anatics make apply to all manner of unfree countries in the world, but somehow, some way, Iraq is extra-super-special and unique, so it's imperative that we attack them now, but we can negotiate with those other countries such as North Korea or deal with them later. Or after we defeat Iraq, those other mean and nasties will cease to be problems.

I am fully in favor of destroying enemies who are legitimate and real threats, i.e., "clear and present dangers," to our country. I am not in favor of expeditions and jihads against any and all dictators, nut cases, and unfree countries in the world. We should not be the world's police force. We should not be social engineers and export our statist policies to other countries.

Most importantly:

Our government is supposed to defend our rights, not the rights of other countries' citizens.

If our government does have proof that Saddam Hussein presents a real and direct peril, then it has acted in a grossly negligent manner by dancing the political two-step with the UN and not immediately eliminating that hazard. The President should openly offer his case that Iraq is a clear danger to our country (not a hypothetical, long-term, "possible" threat, but an immediate, concrete one), get Congress to declare war in accordance with the Constitution, and then eliminate the threat to American freedom and safety.

Instead of this proper course, however, we are having our freedom destroyed, our wealth wasted, and our dignity assaulted by a government more interested in its own power and hegemony than in the freedom and rights of its own citizens.

Hell. Why go to war? The terrorists have already "won."
 
louden_swain said:
The bottom line is. . . . .



I would love to see the people of Iraq liberated from lies, oppression, and terror.

Yes, and I would love some iraqi oil too!!
 
People who support the war are morons in my opinion,they are buying into everything the media throws at them and not making decisions for themselves

Fucking Sheep
 
louden_swain said:
The bottom line is. . . . .

Saddam has weapons.

Saddam is a threat to the Middle East.

Saddam is a person who threatens and butchers his own people.

Saddam has caused instability between socio-economic groups throughout Iraq.

Here is what I say:

Provide credible evidence, present it to the UN, gain support by majority, then go to war to remove Saddam from power.

I would love to see the people of Iraq liberated from lies, oppression, and terror.

Presidential approval ratings are ALWAYS higher after a State of the Union speech. It's just the way it is. Here's something I snipped from Harper's.

The president said that Secretary of State Colin Powell will soon present new evidence of Iraq's evildoing, including its alleged ties to Al Qaeda, to the United Nations Security Council. CIA analysts continued to maintain that there is no evidence of Iraqi aid to
terrorists, and officials at the FBI also said they were baffled by the president's claims: "We've been looking into this hard for more than a year," said one anonymous source, "and you know what, we just don't think it's there." Hans Blix, the head of the United Nations chemical and biological inspections team, rebutted many of the president's reasons for attacking Iraq; Blix said that there was no evidence that Iraq was hiding illegal weapons or weapons scientists in neighboring countries, that there was no credible evidence of Iraqi intelligence agents posing as scientists,
and that there was no evidence of Iraqi ties to Al Qaeda. "There are other states where there appear to be stronger links," he said. Blix also said that there has been "no trace" of chemical or biological agents in the many samples his inspectors have taken all across Iraq.

We all know the real reason for war : Oil.

http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=1899

US Buys Up Iraqi Oil to Stave Off Crisis
Facing its most chronic shortage in oil stocks for 27 years, the US has this month turned to an unlikely source of help - Iraq.
Weeks before a prospective invasion of Iraq, the oil-rich state has doubled its exports of oil to America, helping US refineries cope with a debilitating strike in Venezuela.

After the loss of 1.5 million barrels per day of Venezuelan production in December the oil price rocketed, and the scarcity of reserves threatened to do permanent damage to the US oil refinery and transport infrastructure. To keep the pipelines flowing, President Bush stopped adding to the 700m barrel strategic reserve.

But ultimately oil giants such as Chevron, Exxon, BP and Shell saved the day by doubling imports from Iraq from 0.5m barrels in November to over 1m barrels per day to solve the problem. Essentially, US importers diverted 0.5m barrels of Iraqi oil per day heading for Europe and Asia to save the American oil infrastructure.

The trade, though bizarre given current Pentagon plans to launch around 300 cruise missiles a day on Iraq, is legal under the terms of UN's oil for food program.

Draw your own conclusions.
 
Lessee...

1. Saddam Hussein is a dictator.

SO LIBERAL DEMOCRACIES


2. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. (WoMD...and if I hear that phrase one more time..., I will scream...)

SO ISRAEL, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA, EX USSR, US, CANADA, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY AND A FEW OTHERS

3. Saddam Hussein has used WoMD.

TOO BAD


4. Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons.

COOL, CAN WE GO PLAY NOW


5. Saddam Hussein is developing nuclear weapons.

CAN HE HAS TOYS

6. Saddam Hussein supports terrorists.

NOT TRUE!!!!!!! NOT TRUE AT ALL


7. Saddam Hussein has given money and weapons to terrorists.

NOT TRUE, THE US HAS GIVEN MORE


8. Saddam Hussein is in league with al-Qaeda and ol' Osama. (You remember Osama, right? Last name, Bin Laden? The guy who is supposed to have directed those Saudi brethren of his to attack on 9-11-01?)

WEIRD TRAINING FROM THE US



9. Saddam Hussein conspired with al-Qaeda to attack on 9-11-01.

BS,


10. Saddam Hussein is a Muslim.

A GOOD MAN


11. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

OK, SO A NRA MEMBER


12. Saddam Hussein loves Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. Even though Saddam Hussein is a secular nut case, and he would not want to give the religious fundamentalist nut cases too much power because he would be the first one they would want to remove, he still loves them. And they love him.


UNTRUE


13. Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States.

HOW BY DEFENDING THEIR INTERESTS IN THE 80



14. Saddam Hussein is a potential threat to the United States. After all, anyone and everyone can be viewed as a "potential" threat if we define that word vaguely enough or don't bother to define it, at all. Our constant assertions that Iraq is a potential threat makes it so. Didn't we successfully use this same approach to pass anti-self-defense laws, occupational licensing, anti-recreational drug laws, zoning laws, building codes, business regulations, and environmental rules?

OH OK


15. Saddam Hussein is evil.

GEORGE BUSH IS EVIL AND WORST DUMB, AT LEAST SADDAM IS SMART



16. Saddam Hussein is an aggressor.

SO THE US


17. Saddam Hussein has invaded his neighbors.

SO THE US


18. Saddam Hussein agreed to U.N. terms — inspections etc. — after the first Iraq-U.S. war and is violating that agreement. It is, too, valid to use the results of a previous unconstitutional, undeclared war that we should not have been involved with in the first place to justify a new unconstitutional and unnecessary war. We say so.

THAT REAL POLITIK 101


19. The first Iraq-U.S. war justifies the next Iraq-U.S. war.


BY WHAT A SKINNY WHINING BITCH CRYING LIES AT THE UN :D



20. The President does not need a declaration of war from Congress to fight a war. He does not even need authorization from Congress, because the Constitution makes the Prez the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Also, past presidents waged war dozens of times without any ol' declaration of war, so it's okay for the current CinC to do so, as well. While it would be nice if Congress agreed, the Prez does not really require any kind of authorization from them. Besides, since the Prez is not expressly forbidden by the Constitution from using troops on his own say-so whenever he wants to, he has the right to do whatever is not expressly forbidden, even if that power is not listed in the Constitution. Like holding American citizens in prison without the opportunity to consult a lawyer or appear before a court or plead their innocence. After all, we already know such scum are guilty. No need to worry, though; we'll never use such tactics against good, patriotic American citizens such as you. Police state? Never!

BORING YANKS POLITICS

21. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

YOU SURE


22. The President does not need the approval of the U.N. or the allies of the United States to attack Iraq.

ALIENATE THE US AGAIN



23. We have evidence for all these claims. We'll provide that evidence any day now. Sure. It's coming. Be patient. Hang on. Almost there. We really can prove what we're saying. We say so, so it must be true.

3 SLINGSHOTS




24. The United States government and the Prez have no reason to lie. Even if we lied in the past about some things — like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Iraqi atrocities in the first Gulf conflict, our knowledge of what Japan was up to prior to Pearl Harbor, shipping war materiel to Britain prior to WW II, using our citizens for secret medical studies and experiments, the dangers of marijuana and drugs, what all our programs would accomplish and how much they would cost, not using Social Security numbers for identification purposes — this time we are not lying or distorting the truth. Honest. After all, sometimes in the past, we did tell the truth about something. If we say it is so, that should be good enough for everybody else.

TOO LONG

25. Only unpatriotic SOB's don't agree that we should go to war, now, immediately. Antiwar protesters are rotten, dirty commie-pinko fags. Worse, they're liberals. Worse, they are enemies of the United States. They probably don't even believe in taxes and all the wonderful things we do for them with their own money.

IM CANADIAN EH



26. A war with Iraq won't cost all that much money. What's a few billions...or tens of billions...or hundreds of billions among friends?

LMAO



27. The economy will actually improve once we kick Saddam Hussein out since investors won't be worrying about whether we will go to war or not. We'll be there!

AGREE


28. We have to protect Israel. They may be a nation that never heard of the separation of church and state, but, hey, we don't believe in that, either, and besides, they're better than the really evil people in the Mideast.


NEVER ARGUE WITH AN ISRAEL ESPECIALLY IN THE ARMY

29. We have the right to establish democracy in Iraq. Even though the British tried that ninety or so years ago and failed miserably, we'll get it right. Now, the Iraqis won't be free, exactly, since we'll have to have tens of thousands of troops to rule their nation as we rebuild the country that we destroyed in our invasion. Someday they'll leave.



HMMM, NO


30. The Iraqi people will sing hosannas and kiss our feet when we defeat Saddam Hussein and occupy their country. They love us. They really do. They hate Saddam Hussein. They'll rise up to oust their evil rulers and thank us for the opportunity. At least, those who are still alive will.


OR FIGHT YOU






31. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.


I DO BELIEVE YOU NOW




32. We'll stop Saddam Hussein from torching his oil fields. Don't worry about that. Just because we didn't stop him from doing that in Kuwait, this time we'll get it right.


AH


33. Saddam Hussein is a threat to our oil supply. Just because it's in his country, it's really ours. And if we really really need something, then, bigod, it's our right to secure it for ourselves.


AGREE


34. There won't be all that much collateral damage, either. Still, don't forget, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. A few civilian men, women, and children may accidentally be killed. Just a few, though. And that's Saddam Hussein's fault, too.

TRUE VALUE


35. We won't lose all that many soldiers. We'll kick Iraq's ass in a week. Two or three tops. Even if we do get our hair mussed a bit, it won't be any big deal. Don't pay any attention to those body bags behind the curtain.

:(


36. We'll crush terrorism when we defeat Saddam Hussein. We'll win the War on Terrorism just as we've won the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty and the War on Ignorance and... Well...


WHAT




37. We won't see any significant increase in terrorist activity in the U.S. and elsewhere after we invade. Muslims in the Mideast and around the world will be glad we eliminated the threat that Saddam Hussein posed. Even if the Islamic Jihad boys can't quite work up a love jones for us, who cares about a bunch of foreign rag heads, anyway? We'll have a steel-clad border between us and Canada and Mexico that will make the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain look like sieves. 'Course, the latter were meant to keep people in from getting out, not those outside from getting in, but... And we have had a might bit of difficulty keeping drug smugglers from waltzing into our country... Did we mention that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction?

38. We have not and will not lose any of our freedoms or rights in our fight against Iraq and terrorism. The PATRIOT Act and Total Information Awareness and TIPS and TTIC and airport searches and national ID cards and cameras and face-recognition and random bodily searches and all the rest enhance our freedom and our rights while making us much, much safer. Trust us.

39. Preemptive strikes based on what someone might do are totally justified. Better "safe than sorry." We should punish people based on what they say and what they might do, not just on what they have done or are in the process of doing. While the "precautionary principle" is bad, very bad, when the environmental nuts use it, it is wonderfully appropriate when we appeal to it.

40. Absence of evidence that Saddam Hussein has nasty weapons is not evidence that such weapons are absent. Therefore, whether we find evidence of WoMD or not, we are completely justified in attacking Iraq whenever we damned well feel like it. If the Iraqis can't prove a negative, it's their own damned fault.

41. Saddam Hussein is the worst threat we face today, worse than North Korea or Libya or Jordan or Red China or Saudi Arabia or any other country run by dictator-types. Besides, Saddam Hussein has all that oil. He'll destroy that oil if we don't invade, and then where will the U.S. be? So we have to invade.

42. Saddam Hussein might use his weapons of mass destruction if we invade, so we have to invade so he can't use them.

42. The purpose of our government is to make the world safe for democracy, to free all unfree countries, and to force those nations that refuse to do what we tell them to do to obey us. We have to protect those primitive peoples from their own ignorant selves.

And, finally:

43. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

You believe us now, right? We've said it enough times. Right?

Right?

Oh, yeah... Right...

Much of what the war-onauts are claiming is true. Nearly all of it is irrelevant to whether the United States should invade Iraq.

Most of the points the war-anatics make apply to all manner of unfree countries in the world, but somehow, some way, Iraq is extra-super-special and unique, so it's imperative that we attack them now, but we can negotiate with those other countries such as North Korea or deal with them later. Or after we defeat Iraq, those other mean and nasties will cease to be problems.

I am fully in favor of destroying enemies who are legitimate and real threats, i.e., "clear and present dangers," to our country. I am not in favor of expeditions and jihads against any and all dictators, nut cases, and unfree countries in the world. We should not be the world's police force. We should not be social engineers and export our statist policies to other countries.

Most importantly:

Our government is supposed to defend our rights, not the rights of other countries' citizens.

If our government does have proof that Saddam Hussein presents a real and direct peril, then it has acted in a grossly negligent manner by dancing the political two-step with the UN and not immediately eliminating that hazard. The President should openly offer his case that Iraq is a clear danger to our country (not a hypothetical, long-term, "possible" threat, but an immediate, concrete one), get Congress to declare war in accordance with the Constitution, and then eliminate the threat to American freedom and safety.

Instead of this proper course, however, we are having our freedom destroyed, our wealth wasted, and our dignity assaulted by a government more interested in its own power and hegemony than in the freedom and rights of its own citizens.

Hell. Why go to war? The terrorists have already "won." [/B][/QUOTE]






SHIT I LOVE U MAN, COULD YOU REPEAT PLEASE:D
 
The Canadian Oak said:
People who support the war are morons in my opinion,they are buying into everything the media throws at them and not making decisions for themselves

Fucking Sheep

Without war how will Iraq be disarmed?? The United States already offered a peaceful solution, but you know what? Nothing but resistance was displayed by the Iraqi government. Once again Iraq has resisted full cooperation and continues to lie.

The weapons are out in the desert somewhere. They have been transported to hidden locations.
 
3Vandoo shut this thread down with his remarks which are all true,I would only be restating the obvious to say anything more
 
The Canadian Oak said:
People who support the war are morons in my opinion,they are buying into everything the media throws at them and not making decisions for themselves

Fucking Sheep

If people listened to the liberal media they would be against war. Its you anti-war pansies that are the sheep.
 
The Canadian Oak said:
3Vandoo shut this thread down with his remarks which are all true,I would only be restating the obvious to say anything more

If you believe those are real answers. . . .you need counseling! You never answer my question, if the U.S. does not go to war, how will Iraq be disarmed? Again, we offered a peaceful agreement, but they refused. What is the solution to disarming Iraq? Passiveness?? I think not.
 
why do they need to be? there are other countires than just Iraq who have this stuff aswell,you cant just bully the world picking and choosing who to disarm,thats bullshit

and I respect 3Vandoo's opinions because he knows his shit
 
The Canadian Oak said:
why do they need to be?

Haven't you been listening? Because Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Documents that were delivered to the UN were incomplete. Do you honestly believe that the inspectors have checked every single site throughout Iraq? What about the bunkers in the western desert?

there are other countires than just Iraq who have this stuff aswell

Like who?? Other countries have passed the inspections. Of course there are countries that have motives to develop weapons, but the problem will be handled when the time comes.


you cant just bully the world picking and choosing who to disarm,thats bullshit

What are you talking about? Let me ask you this, do you enjoy your freedom and the life you live? What do you think the UN is for? Look what the US did for the people of Afghanistan. These people were liberated from the evil Taliban, plus given a government. Canada wouldn't lift a finger to help another nation. If another nation was threatening war on Canada, do you think the U.S. would back down? I think not, the U.S. would fight to protect your nationality as well.

and I respect 3Vandoo's opinions because he knows his shit

Oh he does?? Calling the president a moron is an intellegent answer? I am sorry to break this to you, but knowledge doesn't come from silly political cartoons.

Let me ask you one final question.

If the U.S. and allies did not go to war, do you think that Iraq would forget about building weapons? What about Saddam, would he all of a sudden quit killing people?

Do you honestly believe that Iraq is telling the truth?

Think about these things.
 
canadian oak et.al. saddam signed treaties to disarm after the gulf war..he is breaking said treaties...the UN etc. need to discipline this guy and his regime..remember what he did to bring about the gulf war?(answer the question)..how far back does your knowledge of history go?..hint think about europe circa '38-'39..if saddam is dealt with then you can be sure NK will get the hint..its easier for us to deal with Iraq and then have NK get the point rather than the other was around..on a side note,those of you who are against the war(and I respect your opinions and dissenting opinions are valuable)and live within the USA better get behind our armed forces once the shooting starts
 
3Vandoo is a respected member of our forces and he does knwo his shit,Bush is a moron

now to the topic at hand pakistan India all wmd's in there country,I am sure many others aswell,and you cant just expect Saddam to throw away his weapons,he needs them to stop hot shot americans from taking over whenever they want

and Canada does nothing? we have the most peacekeepers all over the world than any other nation,people wont wage war on us because we are peacekeepers not war makers

I dont believe Saddam is totally right either but this does not need a war to solve it

the end
 
The Canadian Oak said:
3Vandoo is a respected member of our forces and he does knwo his shit,Bush is a moron

now to the topic at hand pakistan India all wmd's in there country,I am sure many others aswell,and you cant just expect Saddam to throw away his weapons,he needs them to stop hot shot americans from taking over whenever they want

and Canada does nothing? we have the most peacekeepers all over the world than any other nation,people wont wage war on us because we are peacekeepers not war makers

I dont believe Saddam is totally right either but this does not need a war to solve it

the end

Again, how is it possible to disarm Iraq without war?? We have tried this, but they refuse. What are your suggestions?

You didn't answer any of my questions. What would Canada do do resolve the crisis in the Middle East? Obviously, it is not an easy task espcially when other nations are passive. This should be an effort from everyone.

Why is Bush a moron? Because you believe what the enquirer or political cartoons display?

I don't agree with Bush all the time especially when it comes to environmental policy. However, I believe that he has the interest of the American people in his heart.

Those who always trash America and the government obviously have nothing positive to say and its a shame.
 
The Canadian Oak said:
3Vandoo is a respected member of our forces and he does knwo his shit,Bush is a moron

now to the topic at hand pakistan India all wmd's in there country,I am sure many others aswell,and you cant just expect Saddam to throw away his weapons,he needs them to stop hot shot americans from taking over whenever they want

and Canada does nothing? we have the most peacekeepers all over the world than any other nation,people wont wage war on us because we are peacekeepers not war makers

I dont believe Saddam is totally right either but this does not need a war to solve it

the end

The only reason liberals are against this war is because Bush is president. You people can call him a moron all you want but he is president and he is a lot smarter than you. I didnt see any liberals complaining when Clinton sent our military to Bosnia to save a bunch of terrorists. The liberal anti-war attitude is based on jealousy and bullshit.
 
putting people in the country to police it is a good start give the UN inspectors more protection

The UN should have more suprise inpections,checkpoints ran by the UN for all vehicles and detectors at these points to help find the wmd,which we all know are not stationary anymore


then and only then if Saddam wont allow that war is the only answer

I also believe it must be a joint effort but not a war

and Bush is a moron for not thinking up better was to solve the problems then war
 
The Canadian Oak said:

and Bush is a moron for not thinking up better was to solve the problems then war

There is no point in doing the inspections. Saddam will hide the weapons and follow the inspectors to know exactly where they are. Its a waste of time and resources just having people looking around forever.

And war is the only way to solve this problem. You dont stop tyrants that gas their own people by asking them nicely. Countries who think war not an option are countries that get taken over. You cant just sit back and be peaceful while there are people out there who would stop at nothing to kill you and all your people. Thats what the muslims want to do. The moment we start to weaken they will be there to take us over. Its been happening since the beginning of civilization and only stupid liberals think that it cant still happen.
 
If we get many many more inspectors they wont be able to follow them all and with check points in country there is no way to transport them without being caught

that is what I see to be the solution not war
 
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