American was founded on guts, not passivism.

[huntmaster]

I have been reading many posts here and on other boards concerning the pressing subject of war with terrorists nations.
I see a lot of crying for the Afgahns.

America was founded by men that did not take the easy way out of situations. It was founded by men who were not afraid to step up and do something that needed to be done ragardless of what many spine less sympathisers have to say.

America has made it through the critical times of the past due to decisions made by strong leaders who made decisions to save American lives. On many occasions that has involved innocent people living in enemy nations dying. This is part of war. Truman made a tough decision, but he made the right decision that a lot of people didn't agree with.

Not everybody is cut out to be the leader of the free world.

I know everybody is entitled to their oppinions, but damn people---do you realize what has happened and what is at stake?

I know that right now we are in there --- I know that right now we are on our way, and I know we have friends. I know that we are going to do what is necessary to secure our future.

The bottom line is, if this comes to a full blown attack or even worse, I will not be angry with the decisions made because I am more concerned about my people over here as opposed to those 'innocent ones' that live in nations devoted to drugs and terrorism.

Its time for the American people to gut up and realize what has to happen.

 

[chesty]

Dont' bother, as you have seen the US does not give a shit about their country. They are only concerned about themselves.

 

[Balls of Steel]

The USA shouldnt be concerned with foreign people.

 

[Rex]

I see lots of crying for the Afghans as well, and the liberals of America think we're supposed to take the deaths of over 5,000 Americans in stride?

I can't stand these whiny communistic liberals. They don't realize that sometimes ya have to kick some ass.

 

[strongchick]

America was built on divine right bullshit.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0906/p9s2-coop.html

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Fuck anyone who raises arms against my countrymen and our allies

 

[RyanH]

America isn't being passive by not going to an all-out war, we're just being sensible.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

The one good side to this, were giving them enough time to think about if they really want to fuck with us...Cause those that do will not live to warn the others

 

[strongchick]

oh please. America is using this terrorist act to shape public opinion to justify war to take oil and drugs from Afghanistan.

 

[danielson]

afghanistan has no oil. its a big dessert with nohng in it. thats why all the people are starving. i also dont think theyd want the drugs when they spend $$ destroying farmers livelyhoods in bolivia

but

the caspian sea has lots of oil im told. lots of troops in the area.....its a big suspicion after what happened with Iraq

its why im so curious as to whats going on in the american media in terms of the attacks etc.

 

[strongchick]

they can't afford to mine the oil. This geological survey proves they have oil, and proves US has interest in getting at it.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan2.html

 

[strongchick]

mind you, I'm not saying the terrorist attack was warranted, or a set up.

I'm merely saying that it is a great excuse to accuse the Taliban so we can justify taking what they have. The terrorist act is coincidental in the timeline, but a great opportunity for the US...when you have public opinion behind you, you have everything you need.

We are no better than any other country in this regard.

 

[strongchick]

I forgot to mention...

The whole aviation bailout...I think I can find statistics to show they are one of the largest industry users of oil/energy.

Bush taking care of his own, yet again.

Note that flight attendants who were fired are NOT back on their jobs as a result of all this money changing hands.

 

[danielson]

damn

never new that

there peole are starving, they got oil and they aint using it. and it seems to be untapped

 

[rushx79]

oh please. America is using this terrorist act to shape public opinion to justify war to take oil and drugs from Afghanistan.

fuck you and your anti-american bullshit. face it, america is and always will be the best country on earth. people bitch about all that america has done wrong. they are so quick to forget all that we have done right. our worst actions pale in comparison with the the worst actions of the rest of the world. while our humanitarian actions far out-weight those of the rest of the world. yeah weve done some bad stuff, but we have done a lot more good. i really think people like you that are not proud of our history and do not support your own country, should be dropped off in one of these 3rd world countries you so blindly defend.

 

[Balls of Steel]

Why do they call it america? Most of it's people arent americans.

 

[strongchick]

fuck you and your anti-american bullshit. face it, america is and always will be the best country on earth. people bitch about all that america has done wrong. they are so quick to forget all that we have done right. our worst actions pale in comparison with the the worst actions of the rest of the world. while our humanitarian actions far out-weight those of the rest of the world. yeah weve done some bad stuff, but we have done a lot more good. i really think people like you that are not proud of our history and do not support your own country, should be dropped off in one of these 3rd world countries you so blindly defend.

feel better now? a bunch of innocent Afghan women and children have just died.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

feel better now? a bunch of innocent Afghan women and children have just died.

Some of you people truely amaze me.

What the fuck woud you do then? Let hear it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but if you do not have a solution then shut the fuck up.

Don't forget to pray for Osama tonight.

 

[minion]

groovey

 

[Frackal]

fuck you and your anti-american bullshit. face it, america is and always will be the best country on earth. people bitch about all that america has done wrong. they are so quick to forget all that we have done right. our worst actions pale in comparison with the the worst actions of the rest of the world. while our humanitarian actions far out-weight those of the rest of the world. yeah weve done some bad stuff, but we have done a lot more good. i really think people like you that are not proud of our history and do not support your own country, should be dropped off in one of these 3rd world countries you so blindly defend.

Uhhh....I wouldn't go that far....I love my country, what it stands for, but I do not like the elected government...so...does that mean I should be dropped off in a 3rd world country? No, it means I should try to change it, possibly by helping to educate people on what I know. Why the fuck do you brainwashed fools always say "if you don't like it, leave and go die somewhere?"

How about, "if you don't like it, try to change it." Thank god our forefathers did not think like you do.

Our foreign policy is NOT that good, usually we only distribute humanitarian aid when it serves our corporate and political interests, not because it's the right thing to do. And please, Bush IS protecting his oil interests, just like his father did in the Gulf...don't think everything is so innocent....some might even say that portions of the US Govt. more or less allowed this to happen to further clamp us and the world in a totalitarian vice...that's a bit melodramatic yes, but far from the truth? I don't think so.

 

[Test boy]

Americas problems are not caused by problems unique to our government. Theyare caused by shortcomings of the human race.

 

[freshr1]

America was founded by men that did not take the easy way out of situations. It was founded by men who were not afraid to step up and do something that needed to be done ragardless of what many spine less sympathisers have to say.

Actually it was founded on murder and intimidation.

Don't see many Native Americans around these days.. HMMMMM.. odd, isnt it? Andrew Jackson is quite famous for having killed roughly 4000 Indian WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Best of all, he did this after John Marshall declared that it was unconstitutional and illegals. Jackson's response : "John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can.". And now he can be found on your $20 bill. Nice!

Of course they dont teach this in American schools.

 

[rushx79]

Uhhh....I wouldn't go that far....I love my country, what it stands for, but I do not like the elected government...so...does that mean I should be dropped off in a 3rd world country? No, it means I should try to change it, possibly by helping to educate people on what I know. Why the fuck do you brainwashed fools always say "if you don't like it, leave and go die somewhere?"

How about, "if you don't like it, try to change it." Thank god our forefathers did not think like you do.

Our foreign policy is NOT that good, usually we only distribute humanitarian aid when it serves our corporate and political interests, not because it's the right thing to do. And please, Bush IS protecting his oil interests, just like his father did in the Gulf...don't think everything is so innocent....some might even say that portions of the US Govt. more or less allowed this to happen to further clamp us and the world in a totalitarian vice...that's a bit melodramatic yes, but far from the truth? I don't think so.

if it isnt broke, dont fix it. yes i agree, portions of the us govt did allow this to happen, but it was clinton not bush. as much as you want it to be, there is no alterior motive to this. yes, there was in the gulf war, not this.

 

[Engine9]

Of course they dont teach this in American schools.

Actually they do, I learned all that as a freshman in highschool.

 

[rushx79]

feel better now? a bunch of innocent Afghan women and children have just died.

im sure it isnt as drastic as you think it is, besides they have had weeks to flee afghanistan. but im sure that doesnt matter to you, you would rather see innocent americans get killed, since we are so evil.

 

[rushx79]

Actually they do, I learned all that as a freshman in highschool.

same here, in high school and college.

 

[Frackal]

Americas problems are not caused by problems unique to our government. Theyare caused by shortcomings of the human race.

That's the motherfucking truth if I ever heard it....human nature...

 

[huntmaster]

America isn't being passive by not going to an all-out war, we're just being sensible.

I am obviously not talking about the way we are going about this---I'm talking about the way people on these boards are crying.

Please do not spin what I say.

 

[Frackal]

if it isnt broke, dont fix it. yes i agree, portions of the us govt did allow this to happen, but it was clinton not bush. as much as you want it to be, there is no alterior motive to this. yes, there was in the gulf war, not this.

I don't think it was clinton or bush that had a whole lot to do with allowing this to happen...but Bush certainly had more to gain from this then Clinton did. (If I am wrong on this, I'd be glad to listen to why with an open mind.)

How do you know there is not ulterior motive to this?

 

[rushx79]

I don't think it was clinton or bush that had a whole lot to do with allowing this to happen...but Bush certainly had more to gain from this then Clinton did. (If I am wrong on this, I'd be glad to listen to why with an open mind.)

How do you know there is not ulterior motive to this?

how do you know there is? i know there isnt because this is a problem that has been building for some time, its not something just created out of thin air. we had a president in office that didnt have the balls to do what was needed. he allowed them to bomb the world trade center, bomb our embassy, and bomb the u.s.s. cole. the only time he did do anything was when he was seeing too much bad news about himself on t.v.. please, let me know what bush could possibly have to gain by toppling the taliban?but make it credible, dont say because his dad was protecting financial interests in the gulf war so he must be doing the same. do you really think the only reason bush is doing this is because he has some kind of financial interest? even if bush personally gains something from this, i dont really care. this is a problem that is long over due for a solution.

 

[madferit]

Long post, but hopefully some people will enjoy...

Some people are so willing to label the president as a "greedy" protector of his and his friends financial assets. Why would he become president then? He could have made a much more substantial amount of money in his previous jobs in the oil industry. He could have lived quite a comfortable life off of his parents fortune alone...why did he ever work at all?

I sincerely doubt that this is some sinister government plot (we let them knock down the WTC....yeah right...just like we let the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor) so we could go after oil in Afghanistan and take down the pesky Taliban. In a sheer stroke of brilliance that Bush haters would claim he is incapable of because of his apparent stupidity and dyslexia, he manipulated a terrorist organization, intelligence, and events in the Middle East so airplanes could crash into NYC. Bush is so evil and greedy that he will even sacrifice the lives of some of his richest business pals (and cohorts in exploitation) for personal gain. Flight bookings would drop astronomically as well as the stock market. Thus, Congress would pass a bailout package for his bed-buddy, the airline industry, thus ensuring that the energy industry, and the airline industry, would prosper. All the while he is dancing and laughing while hundreds of thousands of Americans lose their jobs and our economy shrinks, thus reducing the standard of living. Even more brilliant is that now because of the increase in unemployment, Congress will further pass a stimulus package, giving even MORE money back to the wealthiest of the wealthy, who want to hoard their money at the expense of poor people all around the country. Heck, they are so rich, they don't even need to work any more, Bush will see to that. He is THEIR president, and their president only. His plot is so well-executed and malicious, FOREIGN countries are hurt too, all in the name of big business, greed, oil, energy, and money...the Five Pillars of Capitalism. And all of the EU, China, and Russia are in on it. They want the US in the Middle East taking oil and exploiting all the little people. They want it so much so that they cooperate with us as much as they possibly can. In fact, the entire UN and NATO is in on it. Not one person in any of these organizations gives a rats ass or disagrees with the plot. They are on the payroll too. The 9/11/01 bombing of the WTC was one of the most sinister, unifying events in history. Neo-colonialism reigns.

All of this from one of our stupidest presidents ever!!! I would hate to see what he could have done if he were smart....

God damn people, you are way too cynical about the US government. It's like you feel oppressed by large corporations and that anyone who is against you or disagrees with you has been brainwashed by some conspiracy that is out to crush the left. I guess I am so brainwashed that I find such a conspiracy theory ludicrously absurd. If only I could "free-think" my way out of this brainwashing, I could believe in the despicability of the United States and those who choose to disagree with the left.

Stop watching the X-Files and do something more productive with your life than bitch and look for things that just aren't there.

Sorry about the long post, but I had a bit of a mean streak.

 

[strongchick]

um, not a conspiracy. Just the same old protect your old money business legacy crap. Doesn't take a genius to align yourself with people who have money and influence.

Bushes have proven relations with the bin Ladens.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=1624
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-09-19/mecklin.html

Bushes have oil interests.

There is oil in Afghanistan....and the US wouldn't have to dick around with OPEC to get it.

Bushes planned to attack Afghanistan months before the terrorist attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1550000/1550366.stm


The terrorist attack was just a tiimely and convenient event that would give a good opportunity to get Americans to support a move against Afghanistan.

I haven't figured out what this all means, but taken together....makes you think.

Also remember that Bush wanted to drill Alaska for more oil, but public opinion killed that.


AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON GREED, NOT PASSIVISM (spelling should be "PACIFISM" heehee), SHOULD BE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD.

 

[strongchick]

im sure it isnt as drastic as you think it is, besides they have had weeks to flee afghanistan. but im sure that doesnt matter to you, you would rather see innocent americans get killed, since we are so evil.

yup. two wrongs always make a right.

 

[strongchick]

Some of you people truely amaze me.

What the fuck woud you do then? Let hear it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but if you do not have a solution then shut the fuck up.

Don't forget to pray for Osama tonight.

Regardless of Osama...we were going to attack Afghanistan way before the 9/11 tragedy. See my previous post for the link to the BBC article.

I don't love Osama either...he is evil. But we may be attacking the wrong enemy....why bother beating up on Afghanistan when terrorism is a pervasive enemy from multiple countries?

Because this is a great excuse to go get more oil reserves, that's why.

Your stupid ass is being manipulated by the media. Journalists have been fired for speaking against Bush and/or the military.

Did you EVER STOP TO THINK OR QUESTION A MILITARY STRIKE AGAINST A DUBIOUS ENEMY?

I am not suggesting some incredible conspiracy, either. This is simple financial/capitalistic manipulation of our people for a financial/capitalistic end.

Open your eyes. Our media assumes Americans are blind and stupid, but they need public opinion to support this move. So KILL KILL KILL in response to a timely terrorist act is the best opportunity.

It will all come out after the fact.

 

[Frackal]

Listen up:

Hey I'm all for killing Osama and company, these people are the scurge of the earth either way.

madferit, your statement about "(we let them knock down the WTC....yeah right...just like we let the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor)" is particularly funny because there is very solid evidence that Pearl Harbor WAS allowed to happen to rally support for the US to enter WWII. Was it a bad thing that we did enter WWII? Certainly not.

Now, what some of you don't understand, is that it's never a simple black and white matter. Ferit, you're being ridiculous with your little making-fun-of-conspiracy-theories post. For one, you don't know a fucking thing any more than I do about what goes on among the highest circles of power in the world.

You think that certain elements in the Government are not capable of this type of evil? Look at all the people we've killed in the past to protect corporate interests overseas, look at the CIA connections with the explosion of crack into LA in the 80's.

I do not think that this whole thing was orchestrated by Bush at all. I do believe that it WAS allowed to happen however. The CIA likes to present itself as the bumbling intelligence agency, because bumbling is alot better than the sinister reality.

Shit, look at the motivations behind vietnam.

Many of you dismiss what strongchick, me, and a few others on here are trying to explain, because it hurts to believe it. Let me assure you, I have probably the greatest background in government 'conspiracy' theory on this board, and this thing reeks.

Strongchick, it is really refreshing to see the type of intelligence and independent thought you display in your posts!

 

[conan69]

oh please. America is using this terrorist act to shape public opinion to justify war to take oil and drugs from Afghanistan.

i am sorry but are you out of your fucking mind?

is it me or did thousands of innocent men, women, and children
die 1 month ago because of spinless coward terrorists???

i hate to bust all the liberal bubbles but we are doing this for the right reason...but you know what while we are over there it wouldnt hurt do to some house cleaning!

strongchick this is not just directed at you, it is to all the share the opinion that we should just sit back with our thumbs up our ass and thank the bin laden for killing americans on a reacurring basis

 

[Engine9]

Your stupid ass is being manipulated by the media

Regardless of Osama...we were going to attack Afghanistan way before the 9/11 tragedy. See my previous post for the link to the BBC article.

Isn' t the BBC part of the media?

 

[strongchick]

i am sorry but are you out of your fucking mind?

is it me or did thousands of innocent men, women, and children
die 1 month ago because of spinless coward terrorists???

i hate to bust all the liberal bubbles but we are doing this for the right reason...but you know what while we are over there it wouldnt hurt do to some house cleaning!

strongchick this is not just directed at you, it is to all the share the opinion that we should just sit back with our thumbs up our ass and thank the bin laden for killing americans on a reacurring basis

I never said we should not take action. And I am questioning motives here....I think we are being manipulated into warmongering mode when we need an intelligence strike, not a bomb strike. I am just as angry about WTC as you are. I always have a feeling in my gut that there is something wrong with this picture, and people are so quick to respond and don't stop to question.

 

[danielson]

have liberals said that afghanistan shouldt be attacked over there

its crazy if they did

i was under the impression they felt that while those responsible should pay, there are many innocent men, women and children in afghanistan and rather than go in there and fuck the place up more than it is, we shouldnt carpet bomb the whole country but try and take out the taliban with minimal civillian casualties and then set up a government that is democratic.

and also review US foreign policy to see why this happened.

people 'cried' for the afghans on this board because any were talking about exterminating them by. which in my mind is wrong, as youd be indiscrimantly killing everyone in the country. they have tried to overthrow the taliban but have been supressed by inferior weapons to the taliban.

no liberal would cry over the death of a taliban member. if they did they are twits as nearly all these guys are evil.


any conspiracy theories would be only confirmed after seeng whether this situation develops into an iraq, it may just be the US will pull out all its troops after getting OBL

 

[strongchick]

Isn' t the BBC part of the media?

We don't KNOW what the truth is. The media is not reporting the whole truth, otherwise American media would have reported this line...it is conspicuously missing from MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc.

Our journalists are not reporting everything because some of their colleagues have already been fired.

Perhaps this IS all truly in America's best interests...but I want to know the whole story before I draw final conclusions.

 

[rushx79]

Regardless of Osama...we were going to attack Afghanistan way before the 9/11 tragedy. See my previous post for the link to the BBC article.

hmm, so you dont believe anything mainstream media has to say, but youll believe 100% what some other form of media has to say? seems a little naive to me.

I don't love Osama either...he is evil. But we may be attacking the wrong enemy....why bother beating up on Afghanistan when terrorism is a pervasive enemy from multiple countries?

this one is easy, YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE DUMBASS.

Because this is a great excuse to go get more oil reserves, that's why.

sure.


Your stupid ass is being manipulated by the media. Journalists have been fired for speaking against Bush and/or the military.

what makes you so sure your stupid ass isnt being mis informed by anti-american propaganda?

Did you EVER STOP TO THINK OR QUESTION A MILITARY STRIKE AGAINST A DUBIOUS ENEMY?

no, this attack is long over due. also, afghanistan/bin laden is far from dubious. why dont you just go over there and help him fight? claiming that afghanistan/bin laden is a doubtful enemy is as good as spitting on the graves of all those killed in every attack funded and organized by bin ladens network.

I am not suggesting some incredible conspiracy, either. This is simple financial/capitalistic manipulation of our people for a financial/capitalistic end.

sure it is. time to take your medicine. it couldnt possibly be because a large terrorist network has been allowed to operate with unlimited freedom in afghanistan. a terrorist organization that has been responsible for attacks on the uss cole, 2 times against the w/t/c, and american embassy. nope it has to be because dr. evil/bush needs more money and has to get his hands on afghanistans oil. maybe he is also trying to shoot a missle into the earths core.

Open your eyes. Our media assumes Americans are blind and stupid, but they need public opinion to support this move. So KILL KILL KILL in response to a timely terrorist act is the best opportunity.

hmmm so you really think the media wouldnt jump at the chance to expose some vast conspiracy in which the united states knowing full well of an impending terrorist attack allowed it to happen? do you also believe that there is a super race of dinosaur aliens waging war against the new world order underneath a airport in colorado?

It will all come out after the fact.

keep telling yourself that.

 

[conan69]

I never said we should not take action. And I am questioning motives here....I think we are being manipulated into warmongering mode when we need an intelligence strike, not a bomb strike. I am just as angry about WTC as you are. I always have a feeling in my gut that there is something wrong with this picture, and people are so quick to respond and don't stop to question.

You said that the motives are because of oil and drugs
and i am telling you that is as far from teh truth as you can get
thats my point, i am just glad the we have leadership with the guts and nuts it'll take to accomplish this very difficult mission vs. terror

 

[Test boy]

Do people really believe one BBC conspiracy story? It is awfully easy for a solitary journalist to get creative and make a story. Who checks on the media? Who are they accountable to? I find these accusations about Bush wanting this for financial gain to be preposterous!

 

[Engine9]

I just figured that after going through all this trouble and planning , Bush or whoever, would have made sure that NO media would report the truth. This includes the BBC.

I do agree that we don't know the whole truth, we never do.

 

[strongchick]

Do people really believe one BBC conspiracy story? It is awfully easy for a solitary journalist to get creative and make a story. Who checks on the media? Who are they accountable to? I find these accusations about Bush wanting this for financial gain to be preposterous!

I dunno. Here's another link to another story about it, though.

http://www.indiareacts.com/Story33.htm

Excerpts:

"26 June 2001: India and Iran will "facilitate" US and Russian plans for "limited military action" against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don't bend Afghanistan's fundamentalist regime. "

"Iran is also worried over the unending war effort of the Taliban to get supremacy in Afghanistan that is harming Iran's economic interests. India, Iran and Russia, for example, are working on a broad plan to supply oil and gas to south Asia and southeast Asian nations through India but instability in Afghanistan is posing a great threat to this effort."

read the article for more.

I'm not sure how Iran's economic interests fit in here. Someone care to explain the political and economic relationship of Iran to the US?

 

[rushx79]

I just figured that after going through all this trouble and planning , Bush or whoever, would have made sure that NO media would report the truth. This includes the BBC.

I do agree that we don't know the whole truth, we never do.

exactly.. you mean to tell me no other reporter on earth except some guy working for the bbc discovered this evil plot? if you do a little digging you will most likely find out these same reporters believe aliens are transporting big foots into the amazon in the hopes of starting a monkey pirahna race of giants.

 

[strongchick]

exactly.. you mean to tell me no other reporter on earth except some guy working for the bbc discovered this evil plot? if you do a little digging you will most likely find out these same reporters believe aliens are transporting big foots into the amazon in the hopes of starting a monkey pirahna race of giants.

another link supporting pre-9/11 plans on Afghanistan:

http://www.indiareacts.com/Story33.htm

 

[rushx79]

yes, but what does that have to do with allowing a terrorist strike to occur just so bush can get some oil??? NOTHING!!! we have been having problems with afghanistan for the last ten years, so of course the u.n. and america has been wanting to get rid of the taliban.

 

[strongchick]

yes, but what does that have to do with allowing a terrorist strike to occur just so bush can get some oil??? NOTHING!!! we have been having problems with afghanistan for the last ten years, so of course the u.n. and america has been wanting to get rid of the taliban.

My point is that this is NOT necessarily a conspiracy...just that we've been interested in going after Afghanistan for awhile but I believe Bush needed public opinion on his side. bin Laden just offered that with the WTC tragedy.

This whole war is a business as usual thing. Simple.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

My point is that this is NOT necessarily a conspiracy...just that we've been interested in going after Afghanistan for awhile but I believe Bush needed public opinion on his side. bin Laden just offered that with the WTC tragedy.

This whole war is a business as usual thing. Simple.

Who gives a damn if we have been wanting to go after Afghnaistan? Maybe if you pussy liberals would stop complaining about wanting to drill for oil in the US, we wouldn't have this damn problem.

You said I have been brainwashed by the media. That is the biggest bullshit I have heard yet. You seem to think your little BBC links are better then anything else. If I am brainwashed, then you sure as hell are too.

I am at the point where I really do not give a fuck anymore. Our govrnment may have had some blame for this event, but damn it has happened and it is time to do something about it. I really do not give a fuck about Afghanistan or the damn people that live there. I will always support and stand by Americans before anyone else in this damn world.

Do not even try to lump me in with loving Bush and everything he stands for. I did not vote for the man, nor do I support a lot of the things he does.

You stick to your conspiracy theories and let the US go about making sure we stay alive. If we need oil, well by God we are going to get it. If the Arabs want to bring it, then fuckin bring it.

 

[strongchick]

I really do not give a fuck about Afghanistan or the damn people that live there. I will always support and stand by Americans before anyone else in this damn world.

Do not even try to lump me in with loving Bush and everything he stands for. I did not vote for the man, nor do I support a lot of the things he does.

You stick to your conspiracy theories and let the US go about making sure we stay alive. If we need oil, well by God we are going to get it. If the Arabs want to bring it, then fuckin bring it.

That's cool. I like that...take what is or is not yours. Fine with me. Just don't cover this up with patriotic bullshit. Loving your country for taking stuff from others is not the same as loving it for protecting its own from terror.

I like your more direct approach. What pisses me off is this 'kill them all for what they did' when people really mean 'fuck everybody else its all about America'.

 

[rushx79]

That's cool. I like that...take what is or is not yours. Fine with me. Just don't cover this up with patriotic bullshit. Loving your country for taking stuff from others is not the same as loving it for protecting its own from terror.

I like your more direct approach. What pisses me off is this 'kill them all for what they did' when people really mean 'fuck everybody else its all about America'.

youre so fucking stupid. yes, thats all this is, a plot for bush and america to take what belongs to afghanistan. ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND?? DID YOU NOT SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11?? DID YOU NOT HEAR ABOUT THEM ATTACKING OUR EMBASSY? DID YOU NOT HERE ABOUT THEM BLOWING A HOLE IN THE SIDE OF THE U.S.S. COLE?? WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY ARE YOU LIVING IN ANYWAY?? FUCKING GROW UP AND QUIT PLAYING WITH YOUR DUMBASS CONSPIRACY THEORIES. DONT YOU REALIZE THAT THERE ARE EVIL PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT HATE AMERICA AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR? fucking idiot.

 

[strongchick]

some really stupid shit posted by rushx79

? fucking idiot.

fuck your mama.

ok, done stooping to your level.

Seriously...I presented an argument for opening your mind to other possibilities. I despise Osama too. Whatever you think is what you think. I just think the timing of all this is interesting, and given the track record of the Bush family with war and oil and their dealings with the bin Ladens in business years ago...no examination by the media has been done...

 

[rushx79]

fuck your mama.

ok, done stooping to your level.

Seriously...I presented an argument for opening your mind to other possibilities. I despise Osama too. Whatever you think is what you think. I just think the timing of all this is interesting, and given the track record of the Bush family with war and oil and their dealings with the bin Ladens in business years ago...no examination by the media has been done...

you presented nothing. all you have is crap. in case you havnt figured it out yet, bush sr. was not just protecting his interests in the gulf war, he was protecting the entire world economys interests. you wonder why no examinations on your dumb conspiracy theories have been done by the media? ITS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LINK.. you are not presenting ground breaking information when you say bush had dealings with bin laden, its old news that really has no bearing on the current situation. do you really think that you are so enlightened that you have figured out something the rest of the world hasnt?? very doubtful.

 

[Balls of Steel]

I eat little arabian kids for breakfast.

 

[strongchick]

do you really think that you are so enlightened that you have figured out something the rest of the world hasnt?? very doubtful.

Nope. I haven't. This is precisely why I'm suspicious. When you suppress journalists, you suppress what America is about.

We are all so crazed with war and revenge that we are forgetting what America was built on.

My brilliance or stupidity is not at question here..._your_ unwillingness to question is the very thing that will turn America into a Taliban style oppressive system that instead of following religion, follows capitalism, in a zealot-like fashion.

This is my fear...but it has already happened, I see.

Why on earth is it so important to follow every little stupid lead to sex scandals...but no one is following the lead to this bin Laden business connection? Fear of losing jobs. Because zealots like you stop hearing when you smell blood and the potential for war. Your president knows this.

 

[gymnpoppa]

If anybody thinks we don't have dirty hands in past, and future dealings with different countries in the M East. You're smoking crack. I've spent some time in the M East years ago, and we need to bring our ass from over there, quit worrying about oil that doesn't belong to us, and quit trying to control who has the oil. And quit bullshitting the American public. Just like they have been bullshitting the military for years. And the military has been screwed up for years......YEARS.

 

[Balls of Steel]

I agree, we should care less about what they do over there.

But what about the oil, where will we get gasoline?

 

[Engine9]

But what about the oil, where will we get gasoline?

Same place but it will be a lot more expensive. Then the people who are bitching now that we should leave them alone will be bitching that the price of gas is too expensive.

 

[rushx79]

Nope. I haven't. This is precisely why I'm suspicious. When you suppress journalists, you suppress what America is about.

We are all so crazed with war and revenge that we are forgetting what America was built on.

My brilliance or stupidity is not at question here..._your_ unwillingness to question is the very thing that will turn America into a Taliban style oppressive system that instead of following religion, follows capitalism, in a zealot-like fashion.

This is my fear...but it has already happened, I see.

Why on earth is it so important to follow every little stupid lead to sex scandals...but no one is following the lead to this bin Laden business connection? Fear of losing jobs. Because zealots like you stop hearing when you smell blood and the potential for war. Your president knows this.

sorry, you are wrong. i think for myself, you on the other hand believe off the wall conspiracy theories just for the simple fact that it is different from mainstream thought. its not that i dont question, the truth is i already questioned and came to the conclucsion that you are grabbing in the dark at things that are not there. so what if bin laden had business ties to bush in the 70s, that has no bearing on the situation at hand. you think its wrong for americans to get patriotic, that is assinine. we have just been attacked, not for the first time but for the 4th time, by the same terrorist network and what do you see? you see some attempt by the u.s. to steal from the afghanistan people. youre basing your whole idea on shakey connections from 20 years ago and failing to see what has really happened. as for following every single lead in sex scandals, that should be your clue that if something devious was really going on the media would follow up on it.as for america turning into a taliban style govt, youre greatly exxagerating. are you oppressed in america? nope. you live in the most free country in the world, yet all you see is oppression. wake up, its all in your head.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Same place but it will be a lot more expensive. Then the people who are bitching now that we should leave them alone will be bitching that the price of gas is too expensive.

You're a damn lie, I don't drive a gas guzzler, and I won't have a problem riding my Hawg, or a bicycle. If it means no more dealings with the M East, I can adjust. You're the one who'd be bitching about gasoline.

 

[strongchick]

you on the other hand believe off the wall conspiracy theories just for the simple fact that it is different from mainstream thought.

Again....I am not suggesting this is some conspiracy...it IS possible that it is plain ol' simple American greed.

And if you want to discuss conspiracy...or that conspiracies are far-fetched...you would have never believed that this terrorist act could have happened...the WTC tragedy was a guess what? A CONSPIRACY.

duh.

 

[strongchick]

yet all you see is oppression. wake up, its all in your head.

I am 'of color', so of course I see the world differently than you do.

But that is not the issue.

 

[Engine9]

You right I would be bitching. You suggest that we pull completly out of the Middle East. Fine, now Hussian can take over those countries that we prevented him from taking over before. Then he will own all the oil over there and is free to set prices as he wishes. This will bring his country tons of money that will be used to build a bigger, unchecked military. That is exactly what I want him to have.

As for my comment about everyone bitching, I can see you took offense to it and I apoligize. It was out of line to say that EVERYONE would be bitching.

 

[strongchick]

Fine, now Hussian can take over those countries that we prevented him from taking over before. Then he will own all the oil over there and is free to set prices as he wishes. This will bring his country tons of money that will be used to build a bigger, unchecked military. That is exactly what I want him to have.

This is the kind of honest assessment our government should be making statements about...not the BS being put forth about retaliation and what not.

Retaliation is fine...but real retaliation would be intelligence style investigations with prosecution. Bombing is more consistent with control of oil and resources, as you say.

Now why do we have to deduce this rather than just have them say it...treat us like humans, not dumb animals.

 

[bonez]

strongchick stfu and leave this country if u dont like it.

 

[strongchick]

yawn.

 

[gymnpoppa]

You right I would be bitching.
Fine, now Hussian can take over those countries that we prevented him from taking over before. Then he will own all the oil over there and is free to set prices as he wishes. This will bring his country tons of money that will be used to build a bigger, unchecked military. That is exactly what I want him to have.

Bush Sr. should have killed Hussein years ago, we should have drove our army straight to Baghdad, and finished him off. If they don't do it now, the world will continue to have problems with him. Again, if that happened, who would you blame for him being still in power? Ourselves. He has to go. Period. In that part of the world, there will always be a Hussein, or bin Laden to deal with, we still need to become independent of their oil. If that means sacrificing and cutting back on our gas consumption, flying less, then so be it. We can always find other ways of fueling our transportation. We're a resourceful country. A lot of countries depend on our economy for their lives, but we depend on the cheap oil for ours. And they know this in the M East. So if we cut them lose, and other friends of the US cut them lose, who's going to buy the oil? Let em raise the prices, they'll be drinking that shit for dinner.

 

[strongchick]

maybe all this time we should have been more serious about electric cars...but nooooo.....

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

maybe all this time we should have been more serious about electric cars...but nooooo.....

Why would anyone want to drive a piece of shit like that? I do not have the time or patience to worry about charging up my car. I'd rather pay $10 a gallon gas.

 

[rushx79]

maybe all this time we should have been more serious about electric cars...but nooooo.....

jesus christ you are stupid. you think high gas prices would just affect our personal transportation? oh yeah, bout your being of color remark, no wonder youre so fucking stupid.

 

[strongchick]

jesus christ you are stupid. you think high gas prices would just affect our personal transportation? oh yeah, bout your being of color remark, no wonder youre so fucking stupid.

I'll let this one stand alone--you've shown your true 'colors'.