Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply puritysourcelabs US-PHARMACIES
UGL OZ Raptor Labs UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAKUS-PHARMACIESRaptor Labs

Am I Fixing to Have a Heart Attack?

curling

New member
My left arm keeps going numb and my left hand is asleep and won't wake up. Is that the sign that i am fixing to have a heart attack? Just wondering if I should call a docor?
 
curling said:
My left arm keeps going numb and my left hand is asleep and won't wake up. Is that the sign that i am fixing to have a heart attack? Just wondering if I should call a docor?

How old are you? I think only you can really decide that.
 
Did you sleep on it?
How long has the numbness been going on?
Chest pains?
Family history of HA'S?

You overweight?
Diet/exercise?
 
I am 41 and am not liking the age jokes if I die ya'll are going to feel bad for at least a day. I mean my chest is even hurting a little now.
 
curling said:
My left arm keeps going numb and my left hand is asleep and won't wake up. Is that the sign that i am fixing to have a heart attack? Just wondering if I should call a docor?
Sounds like poor circulation, deep tissue massage might help.
 
curling said:
I am 41 and am not liking the age jokes if I die ya'll are going to feel bad for at least a day. I mean my chest is even hurting a little now.
well you may have a hard time circulating the blood around. And your chest could be hurting from anxiety.
Often acid problems can seem like heart attacks as well.
 
curling said:
I am 41 and am not liking the age jokes if I die ya'll are going to feel bad for at least a day. I mean my chest is even hurting a little now.

If you die we won't know about it.. ok just kidding bro ;) If you're worried then calling the doc is'nt going to do any harm
 
How long does it take usually til you barrel over holding your chest with a funny look on your face? Also if I am having this problem do you think it would hurt to start my test cycle tonight. You know summer is right around the corner and I need to look pumped for the lake.
 
christ...call a doctor! IMO it is not a heart attack but it seems as though you only want to hear that it is one. So stop puttering around here on elite and call a damn doc. Further more if you are clutching your damned chest and making funny faces in pain, screw calling the docs go to the e.r!
 
curling said:
How long does it take usually til you barrel over holding your chest with a funny look on your face? Also if I am having this problem do you think it would hurt to start my test cycle tonight. You know summer is right around the corner and I need to look pumped for the lake.

lmfao
 
A coworker of mine (62) was having some cramps in his arms and legs with minor chest pains. He chose not to go to a doctor and ignore it. He died of a heart attack later that night and his wife found him. If he had gone to see a doctor he would still be alive today.

I hope you get my drift. Better safe than sorry.
 
Angel said:
christ...call a doctor! IMO it is not a heart attack but it seems as though you only want to hear that it is one. So stop puttering around here on elite and call a damn doc. Further more if you are clutching your damned chest and making funny faces in pain, screw calling the docs go to the e.r!

No, I am not grabbing my chest yet or making funny faces. I was wonder how long does it take to happen from the arm thing?
 
curling said:
How long does it take usually til you barrel over holding your chest with a funny look on your face? Also if I am having this problem do you think it would hurt to start my test cycle tonight. You know summer is right around the corner and I need to look pumped for the lake.


awesome.

curling is back in form.
 
curling said:
Is numbness the same thing as it going to asleep?


I would seriously consider going to a doc. My friends wife who is only 33 had a massive stroke about a month and a half ago. She couldn't speak for a couple weeks and is now in rehab to learn how to walk again.
 
it could be a lot of things, curling. the classic signs of heart attack are radiating pains in your chest/left arm/left scapula area etc but they dont neccessarily have to be present for a heart attack to happen. there are a few common benign things (eg anxiety disorders) that have those symptoms, but the way i figure it...emergency rooms always fast track the heart guys so youll be in and out in under an hour. i dont like playing with fire personally. i was 25 having heart palpitations and i checked into an emergency room to get it checked out. my heart ended up being fine but the nurses were ugly...i was out on the town again partying away stress free within an hour ;)
 
I think somebody at work got it figured out. What about a pinched nerve from the track riding I did on Saturday.
 
Curling, you're 41, if you have insurance I suggest getting a stress test done of some sort with an imaging modality to help stratify your risk in a five year period of having a cardiac event.
The heart doesnt it hurt b/c of lack of pain nerve endings but causes referred pain that radiates to other parts of the body, pain in the chest usually described as pressure, tightness etc... It can radiate to the chin, neck or arm (usually not numbness) but an ache.
OR, there can be no symptoms whatsoever and you have a silent heart attack. And women have different symptoms than men including indigestion or nothing at all.

If you have chest pain then going immediately to the emergency room is essential b/c a quick blood test can determine if you are having a heart attack based on substances only found in cardiac muscle being released when they die. I have seen two patients, same age as you actually 42 or 43, both came into the hospital the same day and I saw them back to back on a Saturday.
Both were taking to the cath lab, both had near exact blockages in the left anterior descending coronary artery. The difference only being one came in immediately and one waited in their words "a few hours."
The person who came in immediately, their left ventricular function was near normal, could barely tell they had a heart attack. The other person who waited, their Ejection fraction was cut in half at around 30%.
Time = muscle, the sooner those arteries can be opened up in the cathlab the better. So if you are having chest discomfort at your age, you get it checked out asap. The likelihood of course is low unless you see people in their forties often which I have so you cant give any other advice than to take it seriously. There are several risk factors that can be identified as well including personal family hx of heart disease and obesity, smoking, high blood pressure etc... All of which no one on the internet knows about you

So what are people to do? Well they go into the doctor when they get mild intermittent chest pain or tightness and the stress test them to see if they can bring out the symptoms. Most often the test is negative and they are never 100% foolproof, but they do offer some peace of mind that you have less that you have stratified your risk to low if you pass it.
Someone that is able to exercise they simply put you on a treadmill with an ekg and do an echocardiogram before and after you exercise, its cheaper than a nuclear scan.

oh and lol @ Goldendelicious going to the ER for palpitations :lmao:
 
heart attacks are nasty business, and most people don't even understand them.

heart attacks are usually the end game of Atherosclerosis, the hardending of the arteries.

When the coronary ateries get hardened and narrow, it reduces the amount of blood that your hard working heart gets. Imagine if you were running and your quad started getting less blood (and the accompanying oxygen) that it needed to keep up the level of effort required to run. It would cramp up. That is the muscles way of telling you to knock off whatever you are doing or else some of the tissue is about to die.

With your heart, the decrease in blood flow is called ischemia. Ischemia can happen to any organ, and basically it is the term applied to the situation where an organ is not getting enough oxygen.

The heart starts to fibrilate, which is basically the equivalent of a cramp, it is telling you to stop whatever you are doing or else it will die.

The heart doesn't get any oxygen from the blood as it passes through the ventricles, instead it takes freshly oxygenated blood straight from the lunch via the coronary arteries. Once those arteries go out, so do you.

Heart attacks leave people with scar tissue, or dead muscle tissue in the heart. This means the heart has to work harder, and also unfortunately means you are far more prone to attack in the future. Heart attacks are usually brought on by acute events, such as a stressful day at work, an argument with a loved one, or sudden physical exercise like running up some stairs.

Atherosclerosis starts as young as childhood for some! So all of you 20 and 30 somethings who feel invincible now, keep in mind that you could be participating in behaviors that will eventually lead to your ultimate demise.

Atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) is due to the buildup of "plaque" which is thought to start with a tiny amount of lipid (fat) that is covered in cholesterol and other waste products. You can greatly reduce the pace of atheresclerosis with a healthy, low fat diet, and regular exercise (to keep the muscles of the heart in shape).
 
Good post Lestat, some additional information to clarify it

"heart attacks are nasty business, and most people don't even understand them."

heart attacks are usually the end game of Atherosclerosis, the hardending of the arteries.

Not always, there are two types of heart attack, the plumbing and the electrical. Most refer to a heart attack as a myocardial infarction (plumbing) but people can just go into a deadly ventricular rhythm as well. But they go hand in hand, the plumbing means reduced blood flow to the ventricular muscle, which irritates the cells. Every cell in the heart can generate an electical impulse, if those are irritated they can start an electrical 'circus'.
So at least two major subtypes of heart attack. Like a stroke can be clot or bleed so they call it brain attack now. In addition there are electrical problems where people get an automatic implanted debrillator


When the coronary ateries get hardened and narrow, it reduces the amount of blood that your hard working heart gets. Imagine if you were running and your quad started getting less blood (and the accompanying oxygen) that it needed to keep up the level of effort required to run. It would cramp up. That is the muscles way of telling you to knock off whatever you are doing or else some of the tissue is about to die.

That is why stress tests are performed. Using the plumbing analogy again, the coronary arteries (three major ones with smaller branches) can "grow" blockages in them over time (in fact, autopsies of soldiers killed in Vietnam showed that young healthy 18-20 year olds had them. As we age, those tend to grow, if they become large enough the flow gets passed it but its like a "half-clogged" drain at home.
You turn the water on, it drains fine, turn it on FullBlast, then the water gets backed up. Well in a stress test we aren't concerned about the back up, we are concerned about the muscle downstreaming being fed by the arteries.
The reduced bloodflow many times causes symptoms known as "angina"

Often times, its reproducible in a person with CAD, for instance a person goes up stairs, its always the third flight, or they can walk four blocks, or shovel only half the driveway and they get the discomfort. Well put them on a treadmill and get them up to that level of activity. Then look at the cardiac muscle with nuclear or echo imaging to see if the muscle has become more vigorous as it should or if does the exact opposite b/c of lack of bloodflow, then there is a plumbing problem that needs to be taken for an angiogram (where they inject dye in the coronary arteries under live action xray) or a new technology is a highdefinition multisclice ct scan, better than cath only cath you can fix it on the spot with a stent. Stress tests provide 'predictive information'


With your heart, the decrease in blood flow is called ischemia. Ischemia can happen to any organ, and basically it is the term applied to the situation where an organ is not getting enough oxygen.

Ischemia is lack of blood flow, not just lack of oxygen, equally important is the buildup of waste products that arent removed with circulation.

The heart starts to fibrilate, which is basically the equivalent of a cramp, it is telling you to stop whatever you are doing or else it will die.

If your heart is fibrillilating in the ventricular region, you are most likely more interested in the Pale Rider coming towards you than anything else. Its not equivalent to a cramp, it means you have virtually no coordinated contraction of the heart and no blood flow to the brain or body and the blood in your heart starts to clot. Thats why cpr is necessary to keep some circulation and to prevent the jello from setting in the ventricle while you wait for some to spark them out of that rhythm.
You can get runs of v-tac though. Atrial fibrillation is much different


The heart doesn't get any oxygen from the blood as it passes through the ventricles, instead it takes freshly oxygenated blood straight from the lunch via the coronary arteries. Once those arteries go out, so do you.

This is true, the coronary arteries are the first vessels to come off the aorta (the major artery leaving the heart) they sit atop of the heart, three major ones with branches coming off. A blockage in the Left main artery is called a "widowmaker" as you go further down the 'pipes' the severity lessens of the damage done if the plumbing heartattack doesnt cause a secondary electrical shortcircuit that can kill you instantly, the drop-dead kind of thing.

Heart attacks leave people with scar tissue, or dead muscle tissue in the heart. This means the heart has to work harder, and also unfortunately means you are far more prone to attack in the future. Heart attacks are usually brought on by acute events, such as a stressful day at work, an argument with a loved one, or sudden physical exercise like running up some stairs.

Atherosclerosis starts as young as childhood for some! So all of you 20 and 30 somethings who feel invincible now, keep in mind that you could be participating in behaviors that will eventually lead to your ultimate demise.

yup, goes back to the Vietnam autopsies. Interestingly, the rise of type 2 diabetes is a huge risk factor in young people and that comes from sugars and insulin. Insulin is very destructive to the endothelium of arteries. Ruins the arteries. Watch your hi-glycemic foods or processed foods in addition to fats. If you look at a diabetic person's angiogram, its like someone just sprayed shit on all of the arteries, that of course leads to problems as it grows

Atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) is due to the buildup of "plaque" which is thought to start with a tiny amount of lipid (fat) that is covered in cholesterol and other waste products. You can greatly reduce the pace of atheresclerosis with a healthy, low fat diet, and regular exercise (to keep the muscles of the heart in shape).

Yes, it starts as a fatty streak, then it gets covered over with cells, then ca++ comes in and you have a plaque.
Unfortunately, they don't have to grow large to cause a heart attack. You can get a "rupture" of one of the smaller plaques and the body sends 'clotting factors' to the site to clot it off (body cant distinguish if its a cut on your finger or a ruptured plaque, the chemical messengers are sent into the blooding stream and clotting factors come in). Instant heart attack so it can happen at any age according to the 'plaque rupture theory' although the younger you are the less likely it will happen.
 
thanks Brothabill.

It is my understanding that ischemia can lead directly to infarction. Basically the lack of oxygen/blood causes the heart to spasm. The lack of blood can be caused by a temporary blockage that can pass through the arterie yet the heart is still spasming.

In the old days they would open your chest and massage your heart by hand.

Now we have defibrilators and CPR to try to keep your heart from spasming out of control.
 
a couple of years ago my Dad had a mild heart attack on his way driving in to work. he thought somethign didnt feel right but he kept on driving (not unlike him to ignore things) and the pain in his chest continued even after his >40 min drive to work. He got into the office and proceeded to begin reading his emails and then decided that he really didnt like the pain any longer and went in to his Doctor on Staff who then rushed him over the Northwestern. Mild heart attack which subsequently revealed an aeortic valve malfunction. Had he not had the mild heart attack, he would have never known about the aertic valve problem and could have died.
 
Lestat said:
thanks Brothabill.

It is my understanding that ischemia can lead directly to infarction. Basically the lack of oxygen/blood causes the heart to spasm. The lack of blood can be caused by a temporary blockage that can pass through the arterie yet the heart is still spasming.

In the old days they would open your chest and massage your heart by hand.

Now we have defibrilators and CPR to try to keep your heart from spasming out of control.

In laymen's terms yes, it is a strong predictor of an MI.
The lack of blood circulation is more akin to causing irritation rather than spasm. Those irritated cells depolarize out of sync causing ventricular arrythmias that can lead to ventricular fibrillation.
Every cell in the heart can fire off and cause a heartbeat, it occurs naturally in 100% of the population called a 'premature ventricular contraction' (pvc or called a palpitation or a GoldenDelicious emergency;)). Typically these palpitations occur infrequently but if they occur in a row then that can cause it to sustain itself called on R on T phenomenon with the ekg. This is called ventricular tachycardia, cardiac output is reduced tremendously, the heart doesnt get the bloodflow as the coronary arteries get less from the output of the heart. SO, you have the heart working like mad b/c of this circus of electrical signals in the vtac caused by the irritated muscle cells and its getting less circulation. That's where vtac rapidly deteriorates into ventricular fibrillation where the heart is just quivering. No cardiac output at that point.

Its not quite spasming but can be described as such( there are millisecond periods of rest as they pause to repolarize, its mainly just the heart is quivering with 400 or 500 contractions a minutes where the heart doesnt have time to fill or squeeze forward flow out to meet demands. Once waste products build up b/c of this lack of circulation you progress to 'asystole' which is a flat line on the ekg and the person is dead.

In the old days before debrillators, they used a technique called a 'precordial thump'
The precordium is your chest so if you ever see on a tv show like MASH where they are hitting the guy really hard on the chest, that's what they are trying to do.

A defibrillator shocks the heart and depolarizes all of the cells, hopefully, the natural rhythm takes over. The action of hitting the heart through the chest wall was meant if you hit it hard enough, all of the cells would fire off and normal rhythm would take over with very little success.
There have been stories of people getting hit in the chest causing a fatal rhythm, like a child getting hit in the chest with a soccer ball.

If you hit someone on the downstroke of the T-wave on an ekg, you can cause ventricular fibrillation (T-wave is repolarization of the heart after R-wave depolarization).

Interesting stuff, there was a Univ. of Wash. basketball player that dropped dead on the court of an electrical heart attack and she was diagnosed at autopsy with long-QT syndrome, a problem with the Na and K ion channels of the cardiac muscle.
There was a Dateline special of two physicians whose daughter died and they had never heard of it and they had missed it on their daughter's ekg. People like that get the implanted debrillators, others have electrical loops the way the cardiac tissue is formed that means they are prone to getting vtac which can go to vfib and kill them.

There was a guy that would go swimming and once he got up to a certain heart rate, he would go into vfib and sink to the bottom, he'd be rescued and have no coronary artery problem. Went back swimming, did it again. I think it happened three times before he gave up swimming. Its one of those instances where its an electrical problem not a plumbing problem and they occur in the absence of the other.

Cocaine can cause electrical deaths like that b/c of its mechanism of irritating the cardiac tissue and simultaneously spasming of the coronary arteries a la Len Bias, Boston Celtics number one draft pick who celebrated with some coke the night he was picked.
Or Ken Caminiti with preexisting CAD mixing it with coke.

Typically though, people think of people who manage their risk factors to prevent coronary artery disease which is the plumbing, that can certainly lead to the 'spasm' or 'quivering' (v-tac and v-fib) but not necessarily. Usually when it does, the person dies, others can have a heart attack, go in for a routine physical and the physician notices an abnormal ekg. The normal electrical pattern of the heart is changed as it flows around the dead cardiac tissue. Certain criteria that stands out an EKG.

It gets complicated real fast and there are hundreds and hundreds of different cardiac diseases that doesnt make explaining it easy. The best answer is in medicine is "always, sometimes, never"
 
Smurfy said:
a couple of years ago my Dad had a mild heart attack on his way driving in to work. he thought somethign didnt feel right but he kept on driving (not unlike him to ignore things) and the pain in his chest continued even after his >40 min drive to work. He got into the office and proceeded to begin reading his emails and then decided that he really didnt like the pain any longer and went in to his Doctor on Staff who then rushed him over the Northwestern. Mild heart attack which subsequently revealed an aeortic valve malfunction. Had he not had the mild heart attack, he would have never known about the aertic valve problem and could have died.

ah yes, the house. That's how I describe the heart. The heart can be thought of as a house with plumbing (coronary arteries), electrical (the wiring of the heart_ and the structure, the doors and windows and foundation.

The aortic valve is part of the structure of the heart. Any of the three components can go bad and cause heart disease.

The aortic valve happens often, be it stenosed (doesnt open) or leaky (lets flow go backwards) as with the other three valves.
Typically before the valve gets too bad, the turbulent flow caused by this can be heard with a stethescope called a heart murmur and those sounds can be graded by the physician.
A severely leaking aortic valve can cause the heart to stretch out and cause congestive heart failure, if it doesnt open properly then the amount of force the heart needs to work is increased and the heart gets muscular and that leads to heart failure.

People who get their aortic valve replaced usually say, shit, I feel great now b/c of the improved cardiac output. They just have to decide to be part pigman or bionicman
 
I cant remember if he went with the pig parts or not. I remember him joking about it LOL He did suffer complications after the procedure though including a severe infection and also congestive heart failure and had my Mom not called the ambulance, he would have drown from the inside out. He ended up losing over 20 lbs in fluid that day in teh hospital. That's how much fluid there was buildingup inside and he could not breathe - poor guy!

He's much better now. He works out and everything.
 
Top Bottom