All injectable, Test+X, What is X?

[majutsu]

If you had to stack two drugs, all injectable, and one was test, what would the other be? Say why if you can.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Depends...if it's a long acting test ester...go with a short acting drug (fina or NPP). If you're using test prop, I'd say EQ.

 

[majutsu]

I don't see how the test ester would matter. If Test-E, e.g., then you may inject 1-2 times a week, if test prop then every other day. The specific test ester would affect your test injection frequency and that's it, it shouldn't affect your stacking choice. Many other factors would come first in one's decision what to stack with test, and those factors in general would outweigh the specific ester's importance. Perhaps including NPP and deca confused you, but I was afraid with the NPP craze that too many would check "other" for NPP instead of Deca or even a "Nandrolone" choice. But I would consider those two answers equivalent for my purpose.

 

[Pakelika]

fina or npp. If not NPP then deca. Although it does depend on what your goal is

 

[Bulldog_10]

I don't see how the test ester would matter. If Test-E, e.g., then you may inject 1-2 times a week, if test prop then every other day. The specific test ester would affect your test injection frequency and that's it, it shouldn't affect your stacking choice. Many other factors would come first in one's decision what to stack with test, and those factors in general would outweigh the specific ester's importance. Perhaps including NPP and deca confused you, but I was afraid with the NPP craze that too many would check "other" for NPP instead of Deca or even a "Nandrolone" choice. But I would consider those two answers equivalent for my purpose.

Then why do people kick off a cycle with a short acting drug? And why do they end it with a short acting drug? Yeah, the only difference is injection frequency . How about the fact that if you stack two long acting drugs, you won't really get shit out of it for ~3 weeks...and then you'll have to let it taper at the end of the cycle before you start PCT.

So like I said...I'd do a short/long stack.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Test/Primo for me please..To me its the best of both worlds..Only have to worry about the test aromatizing..Primo = very high quality keepable gains..Great for mass or cutting, since either has more to do with diet..

 

[Pakelika]

Test/Primo for me please..To me its the best of both worlds..Only have to worry about the test aromatizing..Primo = very high quality keepable gains..Great for mass or cutting, since either has more to do with diet..

oh please, some of you guys and your primo. Most guys on here have never even used real primo yet praise about it. Primo is over priced and faked a shit load with very mild gains. way to many other choices to bother with it anymore.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

oh please, some of you guys and your primo. Most guys on here have never even used real primo yet praise about it. Primo is over priced and faked a shit load with very mild gains. way to many other choices to bother with it anymore.

I dont want to ruin this thread debating you..But its not my fault if you're unable to find legit primo!! Couldnt you have made a more constructive post and at least answered Majutsu's question rather than say there are so many choices??

 

[majutsu]

I don't think you can ruin this thread wnt2bbeast, as I have 3 posters and 3 arguments So flame on. Bulldog, I understand your idea, but to me, in my numerous cycles, duration is trivial. I really am not so impatient that waiting 3 weeks to kick in is a problem, also my cycles are longer, say 12 weeks, so not a big issue. I hear what you are saying, bulldog, and respect your opinion, but frankly would never have dreamed that someone would consider that their most important factor, but it's interesting. Also, I understand the other point pakelika made, that I didn't mention cutting or bulking. I deliberately left that out too. Clearly, I don't really believe in cutting drugs or bulking drugs, but that's a very idiosyncratic opinion too.

I figured the debate would narrow down to tren, nandrolone, primo, or eq. The way I see it, primo with test is "pissing in the wind", kind of like making a cocktail of gasoline and a drop of expensive sherry -- it's gonna taste like gasoline (test). Tren is actually fairly mild in gains (in the lab) despite being 7x stronger than test at the AR receptor, probably because you miss out on the estrogenic and androgenic growth mechanisms (that's the usual theory). Nandrolone (in any form) is quite strong, but does have progester. and estrog. sides that magnify with test. EQ seems like the best choice, with low estrogen, little if any prog. and people say that it is as strong as deca mg for mg -- but where's the proof of this? Meanwhile, others say EQ is very weak, a glorified appetite stimulant. I've done all these myself, but never have quite made up my mind, frankly. I expect Nandrolone and EQ to be the frontrunners in this poll, but I want to hear from primo and tren fans too. E.g. I personally find primo=deca>eq, which is different from others experience to be sure -- so I'm a primo fan too. Anyway, I'm looking for people to pump there favorite "anabolic" to stack with a strong androgen, like test. Tell me why it's your buddy anabolic -- that's what I want. So argue away. Feel free to argue how important esters are. Feel free to argue whether drugs can be "cutting drugs" or "bulking drugs". I'm looking for all kinds of new ideas.

 

[Pakelika]

I dont want to ruin this thread debating you..But its not my fault if you're unable to find legit primo!! Couldnt you have made a more constructive post and at least answered Majutsu's question rather than say there are so many choices??

LOL, cant find legit primo ? did i say that ? stop assuming, i know several guys who have used legit primo and i can say there gains compaired to other gear was very dissapointing. EQ is a much better choice if your looking for low sides,cheap, and lean mass gains. At best primo is a decent drug because the sides are on the low side btw i already answer his post dumbass, i said NPP or deca.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I don't think you can ruin this thread wnt2bbeast, as I have 3 posters and 3 arguments So flame on. Bulldog, I understand your idea, but to me, in my numerous cycles, duration is trivial. I really am not so impatient that waiting 3 weeks to kick in is a problem, also my cycles are longer, say 12 weeks, so not a big issue. I hear what you are saying, bulldog, and respect your opinion, but frankly would never have dreamed that someone would consider that their most important factor, but it's interesting. Also, I understand the other point pakelika made, that I didn't mention cutting or bulking. I deliberately left that out too. Clearly, I don't really believe in cutting drugs or bulking drugs, but that's a very idiosyncratic opinion too.

I figured the debate would narrow down to tren, nandrolone, primo, or eq. The way I see it, primo with test is "pissing in the wind", kind of like making a cocktail of gasoline and a drop of expensive sherry -- it's gonna taste like gasoline (test). Tren is actually fairly mild in gains (in the lab) despite being 7x stronger than test at the AR receptor, probably because you miss out on the estrogenic and androgenic growth mechanisms (that's the usual theory). Nandrolone (in any form) is quite strong, but does have progester. and estrog. sides that magnify with test. EQ seems like the best choice, with low estrogen, little if any prog. and people say that it is as strong as deca mg for mg -- but where's the proof of this? Meanwhile, others say EQ is very weak, a glorified appetite stimulant. I've done all these myself, but never have quite made up my mind, frankly. I expect Nandrolone and EQ to be the frontrunners in this poll, but I want to hear from primo and tren fans too. E.g. I personally find primo=deca>eq, which is different from others experience to be sure -- so I'm a primo fan too. Anyway, I'm looking for people to pump there favorite "anabolic" to stack with a strong androgen, like test. Tell me why it's your buddy anabolic -- that's what I want. So argue away. Feel free to argue how important esters are. Feel free to argue whether drugs can be "cutting drugs" or "bulking drugs". I'm looking for all kinds of new ideas.

I see what you're saying bro...sorry if i sounded like a cock...but I just got two parking tickets this morning...fucking pissed.

The way I see it, no matter which drug you pick, the gains will be pretty much the same, as far as LBM is concerned. If you're taking test, that's pretty much all you need IMO, anything else is overkill...except I DO like the idea of kicking it off, and using something up until PCT...that's why I think short/long acting drugs are a big part of building a solid cycle. Although, if you're just using test prop, that's all you need as far as I'm concerned.

As you can see, I don't like complicated cycles, and don't really see the need for them (for 99% of people).

 

[majutsu]

The way I see it, no matter which drug you pick, the gains will be pretty much the same, as far as LBM is concerned. If you're taking test, that's pretty much all you need IMO, anything else is overkill...except I DO like the idea of kicking it off, and using something up until PCT...
As you can see, I don't like complicated cycles, and don't really see the need for them (for 99% of people).

Funny you should mention this. I am starting to feel the same way, hence this thread. I used to do four compounds, then 3, now two. And talking about all this . . . I too wonder if you can't just use test (one compound). I wonder if there is really any benefit to stacking? (there are no controlled studies, unfortunately). These are exactly the things I wanted to come up in this thread.

 

[rpol]

I personally like Tren just because the strength gains seemed come come faster for me than Test alone or with nandrolone.

 

[BIGJAKE]

if i had to choose i would go with eq good shit i have seen good gains with test and eq.solid muscle gain

 

[ceo]

Id have to say EQ also. Im liking tren less and less. tren doesnt do much for my cows as far as gaining mass, but it does really give their bodies a very good overall aesthetically pleasing appearance. Tren gets my cows ripped, I should enter them in a contest.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Id have to say EQ also. Im liking tren less and less. tren doesnt do much for my cows as far as gaining mass, but it does really give their bodies a very good overall aesthetically pleasing appearance. Tren gets my cows ripped, I should enter them in a contest.

LMAO!! It makes your cows aesthetically pleasing.

 

[majutsu]

nice posts everyone, good ideas. k for all. I feel the same way about tren. (lmao pleasing cows!). I like deca, but eq is real attractive. Y'all basically think eq and deca are equal in strength?

 

[majutsu]

tren and eq are the big winners so far!

 

[Pakelika]

LOL, cant find legit primo ? did i say that ? stop assuming, i know several guys who have used legit primo and i can say there gains compaired to other gear was very dissapointing. EQ is a much better choice if your looking for low sides,cheap, and lean mass gains. At best primo is a decent drug because the sides are on the low side btw i already answer his post dumbass, i said NPP or deca.

or tren

 

[Fat_Sumo]

Put me down for EQ! No water retention, no worry of gyno, no acne, no hairloss for me! No worry of progesterone either!

 

[jerkbox]

Tren

 

[ceo]

seriously, you really should see my cows...they've shedded fat already for summer, and it has been hot here lately so my cows have been going around topless and in tanks. The ladies (cows of course) really appreciate it.

 

[majutsu]

damn buff-ass cows! hahaha

 

[TheRide]

I dont want to ruin this thread debating you..But its not my fault if you're unable to find legit primo!! Couldnt you have made a more constructive post and at least answered Majutsu's question rather than say there are so many choices??

wnt2bBeast, couldn't have said it better myself...

 

[Oiltanker]

bout to hit up:
sust/eq (then) mast/winny and cont. the eq

so i guess im saying eq.....like tren but i get more irritable & pissy plus other sides and im s/ a real sweetheart thats not worth taking a chance w/ tren -----
biggest plus is she doesnt care about my use: aas-gh-slin-t3 --so my vote is eq as you can see..but i am interested in trying npp

 

[wnt2bBeast]

wnt2bBeast, couldn't have said it better myself...

TY..Ive hit you with K already need to spread some around!!