Ai's water loss even when off gear?

[Deleted member 33117]

In reference to my cycle to start soon:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/proposed-cycle-update-changes-833953.html

I should have my test in hand shortly. I wanted to get the letro into my system before I start, as I am very prone to estrogenic side effects and have gotten gyno on cycles as low as 600 total mg before that required letro to remove.... and I have to keep water retention to near zero due to my Meneire's disease. I am going to be running 300mcg of letro eod but decided to front load a whole 2.5mg tab yesterday morning to get it into my system as it has such a slow ramp up before going on my standard low dose.

I was around 215 on the scale the last two days, ate around 2500 cals yesterday at my normal sodium intake. I stepped on the scale at 209 lbs this morning. Is it possible that my estrogen levels have been elevated and been making me hold extra water all these years? Water retention is a massively major factor in the severity of Meneire's disease and mine had me semi-bed ridden just a couple years ago. I'm rather shocked at how much weight I lost overnight given how I've been tracking my cut down from 245 in August. Thoughts?

 

[gymjunkie09]

you know i've thought about this myelf, some people may naturally have higher estrogen levels than others....I don't see the harm in it but havn't done much research on prolonged use of Arimatase inhibitors

 

[Deleted member 33117]

you know i've thought about this myelf, some people may naturally have higher estrogen levels than others....I don't see the harm in it but havn't done much research on prolonged use of Arimatase inhibitors

Could be genetic. Everyone in my father's family are either fat as fuck or athletes... like 5 1st cousins went to college on full athletic scholorships, one went NFL... one uncle got a football scholorship, father was a green baret. 3 of my cousins used gear... them + me I have noticed we all bloat like crazy on even 400mg of test without an ai... all made crazy gains on low doses... all get bloat and puffy nips when on gear without something to control it.

For me I've not had problems with prolonged ai use. I ran a conservative dosed 12 month cycle with frequent bloodwork (doc friend did it who was 55 years old and used test/hgh himself) from 2003-2004 before completely going off (I hit 260 lbs, 20" arms, 475 bench, 585 squat for reps, during that year), and stayed on a tiny dose of letro or aromasin all the way through becuase I bloat so easily. My cholesterol got a quite bad but returned to more acceptable levels when I came off the low dose tren. At this point in my life I will stay on something, once I go back on probably next week, but can come off the ai's when I cut down to 250mg of test a week for periods of time.

 

[gymjunkie09]

i'd be more worried about it killing my libido than anything lol

 

[Deleted member 33117]

i'd be more worried about it killing my libido than anything lol

As I have said in a couple other threads this week, the libido issue is becuase people way over-dose this drug, without stopping to think about fact that per mg it is the strong ai out there. .5mg a day (common for adex) is complete overkill on letro unless you are on over a gram of test a week.

200 mcg (.2mg) a day or less is stronger than 1mg of adex a day, and more than capable of handling bloat and other estrogenic issues on moderate doses of test.

 

[gymjunkie09]

As I have said in a couple other threads this week, the libido issue is becuase people way over-dose this drug, without stopping to think about fact that per mg it is the strong ai out there. .5mg a day (common for adex) is complete overkill on letro unless you are on over a gram of test a week.

200 mcg (.2mg) a day or less is stronger than 1mg of adex a day, and more than capable of handling bloat and other estrogenic issues on moderate doses of test.

I agree letro is very potent, but there is no way to dose .2mg ed with the tabs which is probably why it is commonly overdosed...I always keep letro on hand for symptoms of gyno but use either forma or aromasin to control estrogen

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I agree letro is very potent, but there is no way to dose .2mg ed with the tabs which is probably why it is commonly overdosed...I always keep letro on hand for symptoms of gyno but use either forma or aromasin to control estrogen

The halflife of the drug is believed to be 2-4 days (and some studies have used only once a week doses... and the drug remains active in your system for 30-60 days after coming off to some extent). You can cut a 2.5mg into 4ths with a pill splitter and pop one every 3 days for 200 mcg (approximately). You can also weight a group to determine mg per gram of your batch, crush them and take powder you weigh out to get a more exact dose. Again there is no need to assume that you cannot take a tiny dose and get 10x the effects of something like adex and 10% of the price.

Another option is to crush and dissolve the pills in a very high proof whisky (if you toss in 10 pills you have 25mg or 25,000 mcg). One can easily set it up to be 200mcg a cc. Stir it/shake it up very good before each use and measure out 1/2 cc to get a 100mcg dose. This was my method as a home brewer for my personal use of any oral or ancillary I made from powder rather than pills.

 

[gymjunkie09]

The halflife of the drug is believed to be 2-4 days (and some studies have used only once a week doses... and the drug remains active in your system for 30-60 days after coming off to some extent). You can cut a 2.5mg into 4ths with a pill splitter and pop one every 3 days for 200 mcg (approximately). You can also weight a group to determine mg per gram of your batch, crush them and take powder you weigh out to get a more exact dose. Again there is no need to assume that you cannot take a tiny dose and get 10x the effects of something like adex and 10% of the price.

Another option is to crush and dissolve the pills in a very high proof whisky (if you toss in 10 pills you have 25mg or 25,000 mcg). One can easily set it up to be 200mcg a cc. Stir it/shake it up very good before each use and measure out 1/2 cc to get a 100mcg dose. This was my method as a home brewer for my personal use of any oral or ancillary I made from powder rather than pills.

very informative bro...good post

 

[Deleted member 33117]

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