Advice for a newb's first cycle

[Sans3030]

Hi all. Thanks in advance for the help.

I've been training on and off for a few years and I'm looking to get more serious about it now. I'm looking for advice on a possible first cycle for someone such as myself taking my goals into account. My goal right now is to get lean and make modest gains in size. I'm currently 225lbs at 6ft. I'd guess that I'd be pretty lean (6-7% bf) at around 195lbs. Ideally I'd like to be around 6% or so and about 205. Basically I'd like to trim down quite a bit while adding on some quality muscle. I train hard and maintain a strict diet, so I know this isn't going to be magic without any work. Also, given my modest goals in terms of size, it's also important to me that there be minimal side effects, so I'm willing to sacrifice some efficiency or effectiveness to that end. So if it would be possible to get some suggestions that would give me the pros and cons (i.e. expected gains in strength/size, weight loss expected versus side effects, cost, etc...) to help me make a choice.

Also, I'm curious to get people's takes on these supposed barely legal supps. The ones that have knock off names of roids and profess great gains. Are these legit? Even if they work, are they nearly as effective as steroids and if there so similar do they have similar side effects?

Thanks again.

 

[Slyder190]

Bro, if you'r 6-7% right now, good luck outtin on weight and stayin the same BF. Expect some BF gain, not a lot if done corrctly, but some. and 20 keepable lbs is a stretch. You can go a few different routes. For your first time out, Try Test (always the base for a cycle IMO) and perhaps EQ, Winny, even Deca (good choice, but it can wreak havock on some guys). Just a few choices to work with your first time out.

 

[Lowest]

No bro, he said he's 225lbs at 6ft, and that he'd be 6-7% at around 195. He wants to do what all beginners do, lose fat and gain muscle. He wants to drop to 205 and be about 6%. Honestly bro, that'd take 2 cycles. First, diet down nice and lean, 10% minimum. Then do a mild bulker, like just test 500mg/week for 10 weeks. Then wait 2 months and do a mild cutter, eq/winny or something like that. Then you'd meet or, more likely, surpass your goals.

 

[ryan04]

My 1st cycle-

1-12: 750 mgs. super test 250 a week
1-10: 300 mgs. QV deca a week
1-5: 30 mgs. QV d-bols a week

I put on 30 lbs. and kept about 19 or 20 (didn't use any PCT).

 

[crfpilot14]

My 1st cycle-

1-12: 750 mgs. super test 250 a week
1-10: 300 mgs. QV deca a week
1-5: 30 mgs. QV d-bols a week

I put on 30 lbs. and kept about 19 or 20 (didn't use any PCT).

you put on 30lbs and kept 20. pretty good considering no PCT. how did you look after the cycle and 1-2mos later? fat looking or hard and muscular? thanks. BTW...PCT is a good thing!

 

[youlikeadajuice?]

isn't it all in the diet ???

 

[Madcow2]

My 1st cycle-

1-12: 750 mgs. super test 250 a week
1-10: 300 mgs. QV deca a week
1-5: 30 mgs. QV d-bols a week

I put on 30 lbs. and kept about 19 or 20 (didn't use any PCT).

There have been world level athletes in strength sports who have done cycles well into the double digits that didn't exceed the weekly mg dosage you took on your first cycle. A friend was 5'8" 300lbs, and could front squat 600, jerk nearly 500, and used about that much per week (making good size gains too). Just something to keep in mind when you get dosage advice on internet boards. Dosages have scaled up a lot over the years and what was a decent cycle for beginners in the 1980's isn't enough to even notice any gains from today. Hint: human physiology isn't changing but from the way dosages have racheted up on these boards over the years you'd think they were.

 

[slat1]

Just use test! Thats it. Don't start it until you have HCG and Clomid in place either!
Good Luck

 

[aaron1115767]

No bro, he said he's 225lbs at 6ft, and that he'd be 6-7% at around 195. He wants to do what all beginners do, lose fat and gain muscle. He wants to drop to 205 and be about 6%. Honestly bro, that'd take 2 cycles. First, diet down nice and lean, 10% minimum. Then do a mild bulker, like just test 500mg/week for 10 weeks. Then wait 2 months and do a mild cutter, eq/winny or something like that. Then you'd meet or, more likely, surpass your goals.

what would be a good diet for him ( or me ) to use? Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[goldenthree]

Actually from what I have read dosages have gone down. I believe the consensus has changed from more is better, to looking into synergy and using ancillary drugs. All the ancilliaries are better now, and people know much better how to use the gear. I think dosages are actually decreasing as a whole.

 

[bible51isonya]

Ryan04 has a good base cycle with moderate dosages. I would use pct. You might not need the nolva but, I would have it on hand just in case.

 

[Sans3030]

Ryan04 has a good base cycle with moderate dosages. I would use pct. You might not need the nolva but, I would have it on hand just in case.

what's pct. I know nolva is too combat the aromatization, is that always necessary with any cycle?

 

[crfpilot14]

PCT = Post Cycle Therapy. something you should know a lot about before considering using steroids. check out the PCT forum for all your questions.

 

[Madcow2]

Actually from what I have read dosages have gone down. I believe the consensus has changed from more is better, to looking into synergy and using ancillary drugs. All the ancilliaries are better now, and people know much better how to use the gear. I think dosages are actually decreasing as a whole.

Down from when? A year or so ago? Maybe. From any time during the late 1950's through the early to mid 1990's. No way. Total weekly mg content for novice cycles posted on these boards has sky rocketed.

 

[Sans3030]

My goal is primarily to get lean, so I think I might pass on doing the bulking cycle first. From what I gather I should start with test, and then maybe do a second cycle with something like winnie or a eq.

 

[Madcow2]

-since I side-tracked your thread. I should probably help out a bit.

Getting lean has to do with diet primarily. Drugs that aromatize can cause water retention and bloating while on them but you are still losing fat if you are dieting properly. Test (which does aromatize) is good to have in any cycle for a variety of reasons even if the dosage is only 200mg weekly. Winny IMHO is not a good drug for most people. It's fairly toxic and dries out joints. For someone with low body fat it can make them look great but that effect is lost if you are a ways up the body fat scale. You could use either trenbolone or equipoise with a base of test. Either will do you right. Tren is very powerful whereas equipoise is fairly mild. Look into those drugs first and go from there.