Adex To Limit Size Gains On Test - Thoughts?

[newbuleria]

I was reviewing one of the many permutations of "steroid charts" which compares the size/strength/fat loss/sides of various AAS on a scale of 1 - 10. Test, as most of us know, rates highly on size and strength, low on fat loss, and moderate on side effects. Though .25 - .5mg of ADEX ED or EOD is suggested to minimize some of the sides on test, many bros also caution that the ADEX can limit size gains if you're not careful.

Thus my questions: What if you're not too concerned about limiting size gains and would rather focus on the the strength gains test can provide? Is it all or nothing with test, or will strength gains be less impacted by ADEX than size gains?

If so, do you think a slightly higher dose of ADEX could lower some of the size gains without impacting the strength gains?

Just asking to get a better understanding of how these chemicals can possibly interact.

Thanks.

 

[ALIN]

I think you will look and feel better running an AI with
your cycles. You dont have to go crazy with the dosages.
A little goes a long way.

 

[goal245]

Adex will lower estrogen which means you will add less fat and hold less water hence less size. But you are also sacrificing some musle gains as less estrogen=less igf1.

It is good take a small dose of adex to keep your etrogen levels from getting out of normal range. The dose will depend on how much test you are running. I do .5mg EOD with 1000mg test/week. If i bump the adex up to .5ED I get dry joints, dry skin and loss of libido.

You have to find the optimal dosage that works for you.

 

[d_rson]

There are better compounds to increase strength (more than test) with little to no increase in size than taking a decent amount of test and then counteracting with an AI.

 

[ceo]

you want to limit size, just limit your diet.

 

[timtim]

use of an ai is really a person to person choice. if you have low reactions to estrogen, there is no reason for it. if you have bad reactions like i do, adex is too weak and letro is necessary. it completely depends on how your body reacts.

 

[timtim]

Could you elaborate a bit on how you personally react to estrogen??

i think i'm fairly sensitive to it myself, puts fat on my chest and other bad places, i bloat etc etc

I'm not sure if i should really be using Letro instead of adex, but i'm running well under a gram of gear.

bad gyno flare up, ridiculous bloating, acne, fat gain in the low back. this starts at 500mg a week of test. i use letro at 1/4 tab 3 times a week. that keeps everything working and the estrogen low enough where i still benefit. i also recover so much quicker because the estrogen rebound is easier to control when its low to begin with.

 

[goal245]

theirs actually no proof that estrogen has been linked to fat storage or gains, its just an old rumour
theirs actually more evidence that estrogen supports muscle gains and prevents fat gain

Women will put on more fat when using birth control pills because their estrogen levels go up.


if you dont believe me do a quick search on studies related to estriol (pure estrogen), its shown that injecting estrogen alone increases anabolic activity, in one study i read on mice it increased it by more then 50%

estriol is a very weak estrogen, it is the metabolite of estradiol which is an estrogen that testosterone aromatazes into. High levels of estradiol will cause changes in bodyfat distribution,
I had a rebound of estrogen at one time and put on a good amount of fat on my ass and lowerback while keeping my abs


its also the reason why some people use to or still do think Nolvadex suppresses IGF, when in fact it doesnt, its becuase of its ability to block estrogen that it lowers IGF

Nolvadex actualy raises IGF1 levels because it binds to the estrogen receptor in the liver and tells it to make more IGF1. Its a good idea to use nolvadex for this purpose if one is lowering their estrogen with AI as that will cause a decline in IGF levels

now im not saying that estrogen is a good thing, to much estrogen can cause probelms as stated above (gyno, really bad bloat etc), however you need remeber that when testerone aromatizes this is actually very anabolic

so your goal shouldnt be to get rid of your bloat with adex, but use enough that it lowers the bloat to a degree where you still maintain some level of water retention (sign of estrogen) and so you dont start developing gyno

dont use adex to a point of psycological satisfication where it gives rid of almost all your bloat, doing this will suppress your gains to a descent extent

I agree that adex should be used to keep estrogen within normal levels and this dose will depend on the individual and amount of test taken

 

[NinjaTurtles]

to 'goal245' the birth control pill is mainly just a placebo pill for 29 days of the month

their only 1 pill that actually works int he whole pack

and its active life is 2 days

its main role is with ovulation within women, not estrogen, scientists still cant explain why SOME women gain fat form the pill, most women actually dont gain any weight

as for your rebound to estrogen, the large surge in estrogen levels at a radical rate can cause fat gains due to the higher estrogen/testerone ratio, so its not directly estrogen related

im curious about nolvadex raising IGF1, when it continuosly been avoided for a long time now since its been shown to decrease IGF through binding to estrogen receptors, thus inhibits estrogens binding and thus blocking estrogens abilitys to raise IGF

can u post any links or studies as to how nolvadex raises IGF, im interested about it

I thought it was the other way around? I thought that the only placebo or inactive pills were the week of the period?

 

[kawikaratekid]

Maybe you should consider using a different AAS instead of test that promotes strength gains that puts on lean muscle slowly. EQ comes to mind. I've ran that by itself and made quality gains.