adding low dose Test P to Helladrol cycle

[Planteater]

I might be running a helladrol cycle and have a lot of info, but have two remaining questions that have to do with my three main concerns: lethargy, permanent hpta impairment, and dht prostrate (if running test).

1. although i am not interested in running a test cycle, I know I am going to be hit hard by lethargy from the hella. So, would some low dose, short cycle test injected help deal with that? I know it is considered a waste because low dose T wont bring gains, but if the hella is going to shut me down any way, why not add some test? If it clears in the same short cycle time, does it suppress me more than helladrol alone? Keep in mind this is only for the purposes of dealing with lethargy, and I know i am very susceptible to this through several very different hormone influencing compounds.

2. Since I will get shut down any way by the hella, if thats how it works, I was going to do test p just enough to get me through the 3rd and 4th week of hella and then cleared out fast. A very ill advised short low dose cycle from the standpoint of how to use test to gain mass, but that is not my purpose for it, and if i can minimize the conversion to dht through low dose, all the better. But is there something I am missing here?

3. I've got my ostarine, clomid, and natties PTC lined up so not asking about this here, but on this topic the short oral cycle and very short test cycle is for the purposes of minimizing my hpta risk.

thanks for any help on this...

 

[dylangemelli]

I might be running a helladrol cycle and have a lot of info, but have two remaining questions that have to do with my three main concerns: lethargy, permanent hpta impairment, and dht prostrate (if running test).

1. although i am not interested in running a test cycle, I know I am going to be hit hard by lethargy from the hella. So, would some low dose, short cycle test injected help deal with that? I know it is considered a waste because low dose T wont bring gains, but if the hella is going to shut me down any way, why not add some test? If it clears in the same short cycle time, does it suppress me more than helladrol alone? Keep in mind this is only for the purposes of dealing with lethargy, and I know i am very susceptible to this through several very different hormone influencing compounds.

2. Since I will get shut down any way by the hella, if thats how it works, I was going to do test p just enough to get me through the 3rd and 4th week of hella and then cleared out fast. A very ill advised short low dose cycle from the standpoint of how to use test to gain mass, but that is not my purpose for it, and if i can minimize the conversion to dht through low dose, all the better. But is there something I am missing here?

3. I've got my ostarine, clomid, and natties PTC lined up so not asking about this here, but on this topic the short oral cycle and very short test cycle is for the purposes of minimizing my hpta risk.

thanks for any help on this...

I think you are misinformed on the lethargy on helladrol... You are acting like its going to be something crazy which it will not... hcgenerate will keep the minimal amount of suppression you get from hella to a minimum... unless you are running at some sort of crazy dose like 150 mg day of hella, you should not get terrible lethargy or shutdown... transaderm is sufficient for a test base will hella... make sure you have n2guard alongside and you are good... you still want a strong pct but it pct and recovery will be much easier if you run the proper supports and a strong extensive pct...

 

[Planteater]

I am pretty sure I will have bad lethargy... Just knowing how I am, and only I know how easily my difficult work is impacted by the slightest thing. But I do have everything in place as you recommend (or pending in the mail) and won't be doing super doses of hella. so in case that's the way I go, I am gtg and probably I will do that.

So, my original question is out there for anyone willing. If i try to time low dose test for the purposes of keeping things on the upside throughout the 4-5 week helladrol cycle, is this ill advised even if I don't desire any extra gains from the test? Will I be causing even more shutdown even if the hella shutdown is at the exact same time? Or is it that once the hella shuts me down, a little test won't hurt on top of that.

 

[dylangemelli]

I am pretty sure I will have bad lethargy... Just knowing how I am, and only I know how easily my difficult work is impacted by the slightest thing. But I do have everything in place as you recommend (or pending in the mail) and won't be doing super doses of hella. so in case that's the way I go, I am gtg and probably I will do that.

So, my original question is out there for anyone willing. If i try to time low dose test for the purposes of keeping things on the upside throughout the 4-5 week helladrol cycle, is this ill advised even if I don't desire any extra gains from the test? Will I be causing even more shutdown even if the hella shutdown is at the exact same time? Or is it that once the hella shuts me down, a little test won't hurt on top of that.

Anytime you run test, your causing more shut down unless your on trt

 

[infraredline]

I might be running a helladrol cycle and have a lot of info, but have two remaining questions that have to do with my three main concerns: lethargy, permanent hpta impairment, and dht prostrate (if running test).

1. although i am not interested in running a test cycle, I know I am going to be hit hard by lethargy from the hella. So, would some low dose, short cycle test injected help deal with that? I know it is considered a waste because low dose T wont bring gains, but if the hella is going to shut me down any way, why not add some test? If it clears in the same short cycle time, does it suppress me more than helladrol alone? Keep in mind this is only for the purposes of dealing with lethargy, and I know i am very susceptible to this through several very different hormone influencing compounds.

2. Since I will get shut down any way by the hella, if thats how it works, I was going to do test p just enough to get me through the 3rd and 4th week of hella and then cleared out fast. A very ill advised short low dose cycle from the standpoint of how to use test to gain mass, but that is not my purpose for it, and if i can minimize the conversion to dht through low dose, all the better. But is there something I am missing here?

3. I've got my ostarine, clomid, and natties PTC lined up so not asking about this here, but on this topic the short oral cycle and very short test cycle is for the purposes of minimizing my hpta risk.

thanks for any help on this...

If this is your first cycle? I would advise sticking with 1 compound if so

 

[Planteater]

Yes, it's my first. If the answer to my question is that adding a short top off of test that clears out simultaneously with the oral wont matter much for sides, then it would be okay. But if not, then you are right.

Also if I was planning several future cycles then yeah, I can get my own sense by getting to know different compounds individually.

I have however a novice "I'm only going to do it once, I promise" idea in my brain.

Think I have to consider the word "shut down" and not focus on the dictionary meaning of it. You can't have "more shut down" grammatically, just like you cant have more pregnant. but it's just a word. Then again it could be ok if it is the case that all shut downs are the same, no matter the dosage. But the body is rarely that simple.

 

[RickRock13]

Instead of injecting test with the Helladrol, my best recommendation would be to run some Transaderm with it. It would give you a nice testosterone base while on cycle. I always recommend some type of test base and transaderm is great for that. It will reduce lethargy and increase libido and energy.

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[Planteater]

Not sure trandermal will be enough. I am using transd dhea and occasional pregnenolone now and it boosts me subjectively a tiny bit, and also fairly rapidly and reliably causes some hair thinning (on my full head of hair, no worries yet). So I know it is working and dont want it to work any more than it is now, but don't think it will be enough. although in a depleted state in mid cycle the subjective effect might be more pronounced.

 

[RickRock13]

Not sure trandermal will be enough. I am using transd dhea and occasional pregnenolone now and it boosts me subjectively a tiny bit, and also fairly rapidly and reliably causes some hair thinning (on my full head of hair, no worries yet). So I know it is working and dont want it to work any more than it is now, but don't think it will be enough. although in a depleted state in mid cycle the subjective effect might be more pronounced.

I understand bro. I just thought I'd throw a great legal and easy option out there instead of having to pin test. Injectible testosterone is obviously the preferred and most effective way to do it however I agree