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Addicted to CKD??
- Thread starter MrMuscle
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I can't bring myself to come off....for feeling like shit the first two weeks on it, I feels sooo much better now, on it, than off. Not sure if I can handle coming off this to a clean 40/40/20 diet...or something in that ballpark. I thought that besides the great fat loss I've had on this diet, it would also help with disciplining me and my inake of carbs (when I do take them) I find that I can't control that. A Beverly International diet is far harder (IMO) than CKD.
Anyone else find this to happen to them?
Anyone else find this to happen to them?
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anabolicmd
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Im in day 9, never felt like crap, except for the very first day. You dont have to come off, and you dont have to eat bad fats either. You can do CKD with good food, although it can get expensive. But as far as coming off, you can stay and do carbups more often for maintenance.
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anabolicmd
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beastboy said:
Ummm, not true at all. Why cant you grow on CKD?
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anabolicmd
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argent said:
Whoa lack of protein? Where are you getting your instructions? I just cut all carbs except for the 20-25 grams I ingest incidentally (in some cold cuts, yokes and mrp bars and drinks) and I dont worry about the quantity in grams, I just eat when Im hungry. Been in trace ketosis for a week and I feel great, workouts are excellent so far.
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anabolicmd
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beastboy said:
The trick is to always hover on the brink of ketosis, mild ketosis as it were. I dont go into full ketosis except when I workout, towards the end it starts to kick in, if I dont eat in 3-4 hours it starts to get stronger, but I always stay right on the edge.
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anabolicmd
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argent said:
Hehe, I just eat. Like now, Im having:"
six egg whites
two yolkes
4 strips of bacon
4 slices of muenster cheese
Thats my breakfast omlet. For lunch, its a couple cheeseburgers, chicken for dinner, one mrp bar before training, 40 grams of nocarb whey post workout, and a mrp drink whenever I feel hungry. Its been great so far.
atlantabiolab
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beastboy said:
Gradually increase your carb intake over the course of 1 to 2 weeks to your desired amount of carbs. Increase the amount of carbs you take in after your workout initially, then start to increase carbs in your non-workout meals, until you have increased your intake to your non-CKD level. Try to lower your sat. fat intake at the same time to avoid shuttling fat to adipocytes.
MarthaStewart
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Have you read up on Lyle McDonald's stuff?
He has done a lot of research on this and has some great writings.
The growth comes with the carb ups and it isn't as much as if you were eating a bulking diet, but you can sustain growth over a long time - just not quickly.
Once you get down below a certain point (I think it is 10-12%), then the low carb type diet does really nothing for you other than being a logically easy way to reduce calories - but you can do any low calorie diet at that point and then just add in the cyclical function of refuel days and get the growth from that.
I gotta run to talk to one of the owners here - but I have to say that LM really knows his shit.
He has done a lot of research on this and has some great writings.
The growth comes with the carb ups and it isn't as much as if you were eating a bulking diet, but you can sustain growth over a long time - just not quickly.
Once you get down below a certain point (I think it is 10-12%), then the low carb type diet does really nothing for you other than being a logically easy way to reduce calories - but you can do any low calorie diet at that point and then just add in the cyclical function of refuel days and get the growth from that.
I gotta run to talk to one of the owners here - but I have to say that LM really knows his shit.
The Red Dragon
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Proteins can be deaminated =/, proteins convert to sugar at 58% efficiency. It's a high fat diet 
The Red Dragon
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Oh yeah, during carb up or breaking the diet, it feels disgusting. You feel so bloated after taking in sugar.
MarthaStewart
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Also, taking in lots of carbs - especially after depleting them, will result in a surge in your serotonin levels which can leave you feeling dizzy and almost drunk feeling.
If it is a lot of simple sugars that you are taking in, then you will also likely get a surge of fluid to the stomach and intestines and then within an hour have runny shits.
Both of those are normal side effects of large doses of simple sugars.
If it is a lot of simple sugars that you are taking in, then you will also likely get a surge of fluid to the stomach and intestines and then within an hour have runny shits.
Both of those are normal side effects of large doses of simple sugars.
the nature boy
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anabolicmd said:
not true? why? everywhere I've read pretty much says you can NOT grow on CKD.
frigging can't stand ckd. made me way too weak in my workouts. now I'm trying this new revolutionary diet, it's called "eating less". amazing.
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anabolicmd
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MarthaStewart said:
Well if you start gulping down sugar right after a no carb phase you are an idiot. Periodic carbups should be gradual and done with low glycemic complex carbs.
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Bodhisattva said:
Thats why I like it, its strict, but oh so simple. Yesterday, I was out all day, and I was starving so I had two double whoppers with cheese hold everything, ate just the meat and cheese and I was good till I got home. Wouldnt eat like that often, but its nice to be able to eat fast food in a tight situation.
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anabolicmd
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The Red Dragon said:Proteins can be deaminated =/, proteins convert to sugar at 58% efficiency. It's a high fat diet
RedHotX said:
Well, that would explain why Im always in trace ketosis, because I take in a lot more protein than fat. So i guess Im not "by the book CKD", but its definitely ketogenic. I guess its not as "cyclical" because I feel no need for a carb up. So Im on a modified ketogenic diet...well, whatever, its working so far.
The Red Dragon
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If it works then by all means. Empirical results far outweight theory.
I did get that drunk feeling this weekend. Good stuff Martha
I did get that drunk feeling this weekend
. Good stuff Martha
MarthaStewart
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beastboy said:
it isn't as efficient a process as with carbs, but it works once your body adapts to it.
some people much prefer it and it solves tireness issues for them as well as headaches.
all I know is that it is not something you want to do if you are doing endurance training.
I went from 230 20+% bodyfat to 200 10% in three months on CKD. I did NOT have the same energy for workouts. I`ve learned that ECA will do wonders in those situations.
I followed Mr X`s guidelines to a T. It worked pretty well. I actually think you do need to carb up even if it`s once every 2 weeks, you should do it. I carbed up weekly. Started with simple sugars in the morning and by the end of the day I was eating oatmeal, brown rice.
Also, If you use the keto strips they are`nt always accurate.
I followed Mr X`s guidelines to a T. It worked pretty well. I actually think you do need to carb up even if it`s once every 2 weeks, you should do it. I carbed up weekly. Started with simple sugars in the morning and by the end of the day I was eating oatmeal, brown rice.
Also, If you use the keto strips they are`nt always accurate.
