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being fat, if i started doing abs, would it tighten my stomach or just add muscle under it therefore making it bigger?
abs... bigger or tighter/toned?
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SgtSlaughter
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"doing abs" works the muscle.
Dieting and cardio burn fat so you can see the muscles.
I would recomend focusing on diet if you want to see abs.
Dieting and cardio burn fat so you can see the muscles.
I would recomend focusing on diet if you want to see abs.
DieselGunz
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no, u have to cut fat first that will make ur waist smaller
sfwolves78
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well im like 6'5'' 275 so yeah i guess i'll keep cutting.. i was 305 in mid dec.
sfwolves78
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but u dont think it would help?
SgtSlaughter
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sfwolves78 said:
If you did them at a heart pounding cardio pace
At my gym I want to inform all the really big people I see working their asses off on the ab machine... but when they're on the cardio deck, they half ass it and get no where.
... you decide, tight muscles you can't see or loosing 4 inches on your waist, or both... diet and cardio first and formost.
sfwolves78
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o well i do work my ass more than the normal "gym-rat".. i have a strong HS football work ethic and lost 30 lbs since december and kept my bench max at 345. i do 30 mins cardio/night w/ long lift
sfwolves78
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im kind of plateauing though because of low caloric intake breaking down my metabolism.. but i recently started eating more so i'll kickstart my metabolism
cityhick
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Dont do abs. Because of your size your abs should have good size to them naturally. Start the cardio and your waiist will form to them. I used to do abs 5 days a week when I was fatter and now that I am leaner have this funny looking hard beer belly type thing. Just keep the diet up they will come in
cityhick said:
Just thinking ahead here - I did used to have an ok 6 pack, but put on 60lbs so you dont see them now. If, I did loose 20lbs from my waist, would I have spare skin? And if I did, how do you deal with that??
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cityhick
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You wont have to worry about extra skin. In high school there was this wrestler that lost about 100 lbs and had "kurtis" flab(extra skin). If you loose your weight at a good pace 2-3 lbs a week. Your skin will have no problem adapting. And if you feel that you do plastic surgery would be the only ting that I know of. I am sure there are prob some ointments/lotions that maybe would help.
^^sgtslaughter said:If you did them at a heart pounding cardio pace
At my gym I want to inform all the really big people I see working their asses off on the ab machine... but when they're on the cardio deck, they half ass it and get no where.
... you decide, tight muscles you can't see or loosing 4 inches on your waist, or both... diet and cardio first and formost.
For emphasis ...SFW - Congrats on the 30 lbs weight loss
Do you incorporate intervals into your cardio?
What exactly are you eating & how often?
Plateaus can easily be conquered ... with more specifics, I'm sure you will get some great suggestions to implement as you see fit
sfwolves78
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my diet kind of varies but this is about it..
~8am- oatmeal
~11am- grilled chicken salad
~4pm- tuna on wheat crackers
~6pm- i'll pick at the dinner my mom makes (veggies and meats only)
~post dinner workout til 8'ish and i never eat after that unless its a handful of nuts etc.
im 17 yrs 6'5'' 273 (from 305 mid dec.)
i kept my bench at 345 and kept my other maxes up and am now alot faster.. i just ended my HS football career and decided i had no reason to be fat anymore.. im not sure about the cardio question that was asked sorry..
~8am- oatmeal
~11am- grilled chicken salad
~4pm- tuna on wheat crackers
~6pm- i'll pick at the dinner my mom makes (veggies and meats only)
~post dinner workout til 8'ish and i never eat after that unless its a handful of nuts etc.
im 17 yrs 6'5'' 273 (from 305 mid dec.)
i kept my bench at 345 and kept my other maxes up and am now alot faster.. i just ended my HS football career and decided i had no reason to be fat anymore.. im not sure about the cardio question that was asked sorry..
whao, 17. 6'5 273 ur a fucking house bro. i wish i had ur size
Well i keep telling EVEYRONE asking about there abs this.
I was 240 and i am now 170lbs. i did NOT go to the GYM i did NOT work my abs. BUT my DIET was 100%.
I mean i did the usualy stuff u can do in house, like jumping rope once ina while, but i can honestly say my results are from DIET and DIET alone.
I went from FLAB to 8pack ABS at my best.
Ditch the situps and hit the treadmill and GET your DIET on key 100% and u will have abs before summer =]
use FITDAY.com to calculate your calories.
Well i keep telling EVEYRONE asking about there abs this.
I was 240 and i am now 170lbs. i did NOT go to the GYM i did NOT work my abs. BUT my DIET was 100%.
I mean i did the usualy stuff u can do in house, like jumping rope once ina while, but i can honestly say my results are from DIET and DIET alone.
I went from FLAB to 8pack ABS at my best.
Ditch the situps and hit the treadmill and GET your DIET on key 100% and u will have abs before summer =]
use FITDAY.com to calculate your calories.
Big Boysfwolves78 said:
~ 32 lbs, great start...
In what portions are you eating those meals listed above? 1st thought, you are NOT eating enough for someone your size ...
What EXACTLY do you do for cardio ... can you provide specifics?
30 minutes same pace On ellitpical? Bike? Stepper?
Sprints on the Treadmill? Track?
This is from my ladies on the women's forum focusing on the importance of a CLEAN diet ...
"The simplest thing to remember is that you have to EAT TO LOSE BODYFAT! Your body is a nearly perfect biochemical machine that WANTS to run efficiently. Its like fueling a Ferrari w/ high grade gasoline -- filling the tank when its empty, replacing the oil, etc, running it like it loves to be run at high speeds taking sharp corners and looking all sexy, running down all of its fuel and various maintenance items. Then replacing those items with exactly what it needs, cleanest sources available and in just the right amounts for optimized operation. BUT if you have all of that and then throw some mud in the gas tank, expect this amazing machine to run like crap. Thus you get the "plateau" you don't feel as energetic or vibrant any more, your results start to crap out and then you start to feel frustrated with all of your time in the gym because nothing seems to be working.
Its easy to fix - clean the mud out of your gas tank. Get the good quality gas. Change your oil. Basic stuff to get you started:
- Keep your processed food intake to a minimum - this includes Cheerios, ice cream, Ritz crackers, and yes, even wheat bread. Avoid "white" carbs -- i.e. white bread. Replace with good starchy carbs -- potatos, yams, brown rice (though I don't eat much of this), oatmeal (not the quick-oats but the old-fashioned oats, and not the flavored stuff that comes in packets either). Peanut butter - use Natural PB -e.g. Smuckers. The regular stuff has lots of sugars & stuff in it.
- Eat protein at every meal. Chicken, fish, steak, turkey, eggs
- Drink your weight in ounces of water (e.g. i weigh 150 lb, i drink 150 oz water) -- keeps you hydrated and your system flushed, helps to carry out the waste/ by-products of your body's daily processing functions
- Fats - make sure you get some fats -- almonds, natural PB, fish, Essential Fatty Acid (EFA) pills, flax seed oil are all options
- Eat 5-6 smaller meals - seperated by 2-3 hrs -- this is because your body can process proteins / fats & carbs from one meal wihin that time -- same as filling the tank on the Ferrrari, running it at top speed across I-75 from Miami to Ft Myers (across the FL peninsula east to west) to burn up all the fuel, and sitting for your next meal in another 2-3 hrs.
- Save your junk food for a single cheat (or call it a "reward" ) meal or day after staying clean for a week. Its good to throw some junk in your system so it is able to process it occassionally -- i.e. if u eat 100% clean all the time, eventually your body has a hard time processing junk like too much salt, dairy, too many carbs, etc. and it just isn't fun. So every 5-7 days throw in some junk. Not a lot of junk, but some junk. IT also helps you keep from going nuts on a tight diet and also gives you room to plan your socializing."
SgtSlaughter
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*Bunny* said:
Indeed, great start bro! You are a big guy... that's a good thing, you've probably got more muscle under the fat than most people... and if your goal is to keep that muscle doing cardio may have to be limited.
WOW! I'm surprized no one caught/pointed out that you're not eating anything during or after your workout. That's when you definetly have to eat carbs when dieting!
I reccomend a DWOS, a During Workout Shake to be sipped on throughout the 60 mins (ect.) your working out. There are ratios for weight as far as protein/dextrose/maltodextrin and glutamine you should be intaking somewhere on the site... i'll look later if you can't find them.
Another thing... some of your meals are too far apart. Every 2 hours is ideal to keep the fat furnace burning (metabolism). As *BUNNY* posted
Stick with it and post up results bro!
SgtSlaughter
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"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to *Bunny* again. "
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scorpiogirl
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Awesome post, Bunns!*Bunny* said:Big Boy
~ 32 lbs, great start...
In what portions are you eating those meals listed above? 1st thought, you are NOT eating enough for someone your size ...
What EXACTLY do you do for cardio ... can you provide specifics?
30 minutes same pace On ellitpical? Bike? Stepper?
Sprints on the Treadmill? Track?
This is from my ladies on the women's forum focusing on the importance of a CLEAN diet ...
"The simplest thing to remember is that you have to EAT TO LOSE BODYFAT! Your body is a nearly perfect biochemical machine that WANTS to run efficiently. Its like fueling a Ferrari w/ high grade gasoline -- filling the tank when its empty, replacing the oil, etc, running it like it loves to be run at high speeds taking sharp corners and looking all sexy, running down all of its fuel and various maintenance items. Then replacing those items with exactly what it needs, cleanest sources available and in just the right amounts for optimized operation. BUT if you have all of that and then throw some mud in the gas tank, expect this amazing machine to run like crap. Thus you get the "plateau" you don't feel as energetic or vibrant any more, your results start to crap out and then you start to feel frustrated with all of your time in the gym because nothing seems to be working.
Its easy to fix - clean the mud out of your gas tank. Get the good quality gas. Change your oil. Basic stuff to get you started:
- Keep your processed food intake to a minimum - this includes Cheerios, ice cream, Ritz crackers, and yes, even wheat bread. Avoid "white" carbs -- i.e. white bread. Replace with good starchy carbs -- potatos, yams, brown rice (though I don't eat much of this), oatmeal (not the quick-oats but the old-fashioned oats, and not the flavored stuff that comes in packets either). Peanut butter - use Natural PB -e.g. Smuckers. The regular stuff has lots of sugars & stuff in it.
- Eat protein at every meal. Chicken, fish, steak, turkey, eggs
- Drink your weight in ounces of water (e.g. i weigh 150 lb, i drink 150 oz water) -- keeps you hydrated and your system flushed, helps to carry out the waste/ by-products of your body's daily processing functions
- Fats - make sure you get some fats -- almonds, natural PB, fish, Essential Fatty Acid (EFA) pills, flax seed oil are all options
- Eat 5-6 smaller meals - seperated by 2-3 hrs -- this is because your body can process proteins / fats & carbs from one meal wihin that time -- same as filling the tank on the Ferrrari, running it at top speed across I-75 from Miami to Ft Myers (across the FL peninsula east to west) to burn up all the fuel, and sitting for your next meal in another 2-3 hrs.
- Save your junk food for a single cheat (or call it a "reward" ) meal or day after staying clean for a week. Its good to throw some junk in your system so it is able to process it occassionally -- i.e. if u eat 100% clean all the time, eventually your body has a hard time processing junk like too much salt, dairy, too many carbs, etc. and it just isn't fun. So every 5-7 days throw in some junk. Not a lot of junk, but some junk. IT also helps you keep from going nuts on a tight diet and also gives you room to plan your socializing."
I agree - more fuel! The right amounts at the right times - and CLEAN! Track in fitday.
sfwolves78
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thanks to all.. i appreciate everything do far
-im not all exactly sure what carbs are to tell u the truth.. nor what a good, "clean" source of carbs would be.
-my cardio is strictly elyptical because i sound like a dinosaur running on the treadmill and its embarassing. and bike doesnt seem hardcore enough.
-on elyptical, i do 30 hard minutes of inconsistent techniques. for 10 i'll get my heart rate to a steady 170+ and then raise the incline all the way to work calves for 10 minutes. the final 10 minutes i crank up the resistance and try to beat my hearts "hi-score" without croaking over and dying.
-amount of food i intake per day.
oatmeal- 1 bowl (i dunno sorry)
GC salad- 1 large bowl
tuna- 1 can mixed with mustard and eaten w/ approx. 15 whole wheat crackers
dinner- varies depending on what my parents cook. but only the veggies and meat
-i dont exactly have time to eat every 2 hours (school)
-i cant seem to discipline myself to drink enough water but i try
~again, thanks for everything so far.. this is my first diet ever and im trying to make it a successful one.. much love
-im not all exactly sure what carbs are to tell u the truth.. nor what a good, "clean" source of carbs would be.
-my cardio is strictly elyptical because i sound like a dinosaur running on the treadmill and its embarassing. and bike doesnt seem hardcore enough.
-on elyptical, i do 30 hard minutes of inconsistent techniques. for 10 i'll get my heart rate to a steady 170+ and then raise the incline all the way to work calves for 10 minutes. the final 10 minutes i crank up the resistance and try to beat my hearts "hi-score" without croaking over and dying.
-amount of food i intake per day.
oatmeal- 1 bowl (i dunno sorry)
GC salad- 1 large bowl
tuna- 1 can mixed with mustard and eaten w/ approx. 15 whole wheat crackers
dinner- varies depending on what my parents cook. but only the veggies and meat
-i dont exactly have time to eat every 2 hours (school)
-i cant seem to discipline myself to drink enough water but i try
~again, thanks for everything so far.. this is my first diet ever and im trying to make it a successful one.. much love
Now reading that just makes my abs ACHE lol UGHlowpro said:
see comments in blue
sfwolves78 said:thanks to all.. i appreciate everything do far
-im not all exactly sure what carbs are to tell u the truth.. nor what a good, "clean" source of carbs would be.
** List of Clean foods, to include carb sources ***
-my cardio is strictly elyptical because i sound like a dinosaur running on the treadmill and its embarassing. and bike doesnt seem hardcore enough.
-on elyptical, i do 30 hard minutes of inconsistent techniques. for 10 i'll get my heart rate to a steady 170+ and then raise the incline all the way to work calves for 10 minutes. the final 10 minutes i crank up the resistance and try to beat my hearts "hi-score" without croaking over and dying. Good, keep up that intensity
-amount of food i intake per day.
oatmeal- 1 bowl (i dunno sorry)
GC salad- 1 large bowl
tuna- 1 can mixed with mustard and eaten w/ approx. 15 whole wheat crackers
dinner- varies depending on what my parents cook. but only the veggies and meat
-i dont exactly have time to eat every 2 hours (school)
-i cant seem to discipline myself to drink enough water but i try
~again, thanks for everything so far.. this is my first diet ever and im trying to make it a successful one.. much love You have found the place for REAL info here at EF ... seriously, and it's free unless you're a plat member, and you can learn so much. You won't learn overnight that's for sure but it's a place to start. I have something I saved breaking down carbs to a T, but I'll post it in a separate post if you're interested. Seems techincal but one you learn the terms it makes more sense. About the school/meal issue, maybe the others can suggest ways around that... I wonder if you are still growing
sfwolves78
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i personally think eating 6 meals a day is a hassle that im not interested in nor have the discipline to consistently follow.. but i follow pretty everything else fairly closely.. i may be still growing but i dunno how to tell...? im very young for my grade.. most senior are 18 and turning 19.. im a 17 year old senior that doesnt turn 18 til august.. but im not sure if im growing still
SgtSlaughter
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H.S. schedule... ah, didn't think of that.
Tote around snacks to eat throughout the day then... Pre-pack, "mini-meals" if you'd like.
Changing one's body = 80% diet, 20% (110% effort) training.
Tote around snacks to eat throughout the day then... Pre-pack, "mini-meals" if you'd like.
Changing one's body = 80% diet, 20% (110% effort) training.
cityhick
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HS schedual.... its all about Meal Replacments. If you can afford em I use to live off em back in wrestling. MYoplex ultra was the shit if its still out. And now they make meal replacement bars from Met-Rx and other companies. Most teachers wont mind if you explain it. And if they do Fuck em and jam it in your mouth.
sfwolves78
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yeah i appreciate it and understand it but im not worthy enough nor have the discipline for that lol.. i know i should but i just wont eat in school.. i dont even take a backpack anymore.. aka "senioritis"
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