ABs and Basket case.....

[JKurz1]

Am I the only one with the mental problems coping with losing the abs on a bulk?? Damn it....I feel and look good in the am, but after my pm training, I look at my abs and theyt are faded, I feel bloated, and then I dont eat very much the rest of the night cause I feel like shit. I step on the scale and although it only has moed 6-7 pounds, I get depressed when it goes up on one side and then the other side I want to put on mass, so the scale has to go up. Oh, and I weigh myself in the am and I'm 160, then I weigh myself at night and I'm like 169.....that's when I really get depressed. Any help would be much appreciated? How do you cope? How do you know if the weight is clean mass, water, or fat? Man.....this sucks.......btw, I moved from cutting at 6'2, 155 and 6% and 2,500 cals to over 4,000 cals and I'm 165 now. Clean until Sept.....thoughts?

 

[solidspine]

Just keep eating clean, and lifting, sound like you are a hard gainer, primo, primo and try primo, with your little shot of test, You will gain and see those abs.

 

[JKurz1]

how do u do it? stats?

 

[JuicedAthletics]

6'2'' 160lbs??? Bro.. you need to eat...

 

[JKurz1]

6'2'' 160lbs??? Bro.. you need to eat...

trust me, I am eating my ass off....4,000+ cals and up 6lbs in 8 days...just hate the fact that the abs are blurring out....I want the size, but not the fat associated, u see what I mean?

 

[GOLUAN]

hey bro..been there done that..i was six 2 135lbs...you have to eat...i thought i was eating right and doing all the shit right..but come to find out that i wasnt do it right at all...now im at 190ish...w/ 8% b/f....EAT EAT EAT...LIFT HARD! Im such a hard gainer..Test alone will not put weight on me...Its crazy..Dont trip on your abs..get your mass then focus on your abs after you have reached your goal..

 

[JKurz1]

hey bro..been there done that..i was six 2 135lbs...you have to eat...i thought i was eating right and doing all the shit right..but come to find out that i wasnt do it right at all...now im at 190ish...w/ 8% b/f....EAT EAT EAT...LIFT HARD! Im such a hard gainer..Test alone will not put weight on me...Its crazy..Dont trip on your abs..get your mass then focus on your abs after you have reached your goal..

What is your diet like and how the hell did you stay at 8%..were you on test at 135lbs? When did you start? I'm eating 4,000+ clean cals a day, 6 days a week, 1 cardio session a week and am depressed every dingle night when I lift my shirt and see my abs are fading...I need to get over that part....Gimme your details?

 

[get456]

i would be depressed at your height to be that weight... and seeing abs wouldnt help... u can see abs on homeless crackheads too, but i dont want to look like them!

Gotta EAT and drink LOTS of water... a 9 lbs weight shift per day doesnt sound right to me... my weight fluctuates MAYBE 3 lbs am-pm

did u say u were clean until last september or will be clean until THIS september?

 

[AhMadKooL]

Am I the only one with the mental problems coping with losing the abs on a bulk?? Damn it....I feel and look good in the am, but after my pm training, I look at my abs and theyt are faded, I feel bloated, and then I dont eat very much the rest of the night cause I feel like shit. I step on the scale and although it only has moed 6-7 pounds, I get depressed when it goes up on one side and then the other side I want to put on mass, so the scale has to go up. Oh, and I weigh myself in the am and I'm 160, then I weigh myself at night and I'm like 169.....that's when I really get depressed. Any help would be much appreciated? How do you cope? How do you know if the weight is clean mass, water, or fat? Man.....this sucks.......btw, I moved from cutting at 6'2, 155 and 6% and 2,500 cals to over 4,000 cals and I'm 165 now. Clean until Sept.....thoughts?

First off the fluctuations in your weight between the am and the pm is due to water retention: I would suggest a strong anti-bloating agent like letro and proviron.

Secondly, You have to decide if you want to gain mass or lean out; I think it's very hard to achieve both especially if your a hard gainer. There is a difference in diet, training and cardio when bulking or cutting.

 

[steelmass]

Am I the only one with the mental problems coping with losing the abs on a bulk?? Damn it....I feel and look good in the am, but after my pm training, I look at my abs and theyt are faded, I feel bloated, and then I dont eat very much the rest of the night cause I feel like shit. I step on the scale and although it only has moed 6-7 pounds, I get depressed when it goes up on one side and then the other side I want to put on mass, so the scale has to go up. Oh, and I weigh myself in the am and I'm 160, then I weigh myself at night and I'm like 169.....that's when I really get depressed. Any help would be much appreciated? How do you cope? How do you know if the weight is clean mass, water, or fat? Man.....this sucks.......btw, I moved from cutting at 6'2, 155 and 6% and 2,500 cals to over 4,000 cals and I'm 165 now. Clean until Sept.....thoughts?

WTF do abs matter if you are 160lbs... shit... EAT!

 

[GOLUAN]

I started my cycle at 135lbs...yeah i know i started to early...I didnt know anything about gear at all..until i got here..My first cycle was drol..then did dbol only..took me from 135 to 160 ish..then did a real cycle went from 160ish to 190ish...sooo there you go..i was eating everything i could eat...it wasnt clean nor healthy.

I was eating over 5000 cal a day 300 grams of protien..and over 700 g of carbs...i was shitting bricks...it worked though..

 

[surferstar]

Am I the only one with the mental problems coping with losing the abs on a bulk?? Damn it....I feel and look good in the am, but after my pm training, I look at my abs and theyt are faded, I feel bloated, and then I dont eat very much the rest of the night cause I feel like shit. I step on the scale and although it only has moed 6-7 pounds, I get depressed when it goes up on one side and then the other side I want to put on mass, so the scale has to go up. Oh, and I weigh myself in the am and I'm 160, then I weigh myself at night and I'm like 169.....that's when I really get depressed. Any help would be much appreciated? How do you cope? How do you know if the weight is clean mass, water, or fat? Man.....this sucks.......btw, I moved from cutting at 6'2, 155 and 6% and 2,500 cals to over 4,000 cals and I'm 165 now. Clean until Sept.....thoughts?

I hear ya bro, Get some AIFM use it twice a day and you will see what its like to not have water, also if your retaining that much i use XPEL and it knocks the water right out.

 

[JKurz1]

I have armidex but why do I need it if I'm clean??? My sodium in take is pretty minimal too...

So what you were telling me bro, is that you took drol and like an animal gained mass and then got down to 8% again pretty easily? I was pondering the idea of a low dose like 300mg test/wk and 400mg of eq....for 10 weeks.....

 

[mikefear]

Get yourself some SesaPure and I think you'll see an improvement in your ability to stave off the fat increase during your bulk.

 

[JKurz1]

I hear ya bro, Get some AIFM use it twice a day and you will see what its like to not have water, also if your retaining that much i use XPEL and it knocks the water right out.

armidex work the same? How much? Dont you only need on cycle?

 

[mikefear]

AIFM works better and faster. People always carry extra water on them, plus AIFM helps to free up testosterone while off cycle, while reducing excess oestrogen. 1 pump a day while off cycle should be a good amount for ya. And for 39$, it's totally worth it.

 

[Sassy69]

Make sure you don't mindfuck yourself & your goals by getting hung up on the wrong "measurements" & "progress indicators". If you are one of those people who doesn't just sport a 6-pack naturally (i.e. you hold your bodyfat in your waist), then don't get hung up about it. If you are trying to bulk then measure your progress with things that are actually meaningful - i.e. your strength, increased weights, increased reps, increased muscle mass, increased bicep peak or muscle belly thickness.

If I got hung up on whether or not my abs showed I'd be completely fucked at the very least every 4 weeks when Aunt Flo comes. Be thankful you don't have to deal w/ that. I think I'd hesitate also to get tied up in using diuretics (natural or otherwise) because that also isnt' a long-term solution. As mentioned your body's water content fluctuates all day and based on what you eat, so don't get hung up about it. I woudln't recommend using any supp to force a certain result for any length of time - just like for competiton - the goal is to look a certain way at a certain time of day on competition day - not to maintain 3% bodyfat indefinitely while wearing protan. Your body is always changing so let it change instead of getting tied up w/ trying to maintain one particular look while your goals & your diet & your training are geared for something completely different. At best it will mess up your progress, at worse it will really confuse your body and set you back even further resulting in trying even harder to force a certain look while your actions are dictating somethign completely different.

 

[immortalis]

hey bro..been there done that..i was six 2 135lbs...

Jesus fuckin christ G. ... Im 6'2" and i couldnt imagine being 135 fuckin pounds. Thats insanely light

 

[GOLUAN]

Jesus fuckin christ G. ... Im 6'2" and i couldnt imagine being 135 fuckin pounds. Thats insanely light

UR TELLING ME! hahaha..i had to live w/ myself for years like that....i had to wear extra small shirts to fit me...couldnt fit into damn blue jeans right...i looked like a hanger w/ a shirt on it....I still have a complex though..my mind fucks w/ me all the time...i still thim im skinny like i use to be...

 

[surferstar]

armidex work the same? How much? Dont you only need on cycle?

NO plus AIFM is cheap as shit and lasts forever

 

[JKurz1]

Hmmm...will I Need It On A Test/eq? I Do Have A-dex....

 

[Bigredcanecorso]

WTF do abs matter if you are 160lbs... shit... EAT!

Damn right, now 230 and abs that is kick ass

 

[VascularitY]

AIFM works better and faster. People always carry extra water on them, plus AIFM helps to free up testosterone while off cycle, while reducing excess oestrogen. 1 pump a day while off cycle should be a good amount for ya. And for 39$, it's totally worth it.

man u crack me up, everything you post is AIFM this Cardio Breeze that, gotta admire your persistence...I should be hiring you for my sales team

 

[get456]

man u crack me up, everything you post is AIFM this Cardio Breeze that, gotta admire your persistence...I should be hiring you for my sales team

lol +1 i need a fucking rep too!

 

[JKurz1]

The hardest part for me is watchin the abs fade. Truer word were never spoken "Somalians have abs at 150lbs!!!" it's just a mind game to me.....sitting and doing nothing yet I need so many damn cals...I cant keep 4,000 calories up for oo long, I'll go insane.

 

[JKurz1]

Well, last night my bro and I took a drive out to this gym to pick up a 10lbs bag of dextrose. Met up with the owner who seems pretty knowledgeable in all training aspects and also competes in the Npc level. He’s 31, prob. About 5’6, and a jacked 195. He described my history to a tee. He said one day he was benching 365 for 4-6 and then noticed a decline. Then a few weeks later, he was struggling was 275 and so on.

He went to his doc and they put him on 100mg of cyp a week or 225 every 2 weeks. He claims all this as done was put him in the normal range at around 600, but his strength, feelings, etc are all back up and full peak. No bloat no nothing, just enough to keep him normal ( I think he tested around 200 went he went in) but he’s on for life.

He said the androderm I was prescribed could be my problem. I haven’t used them for a good 6 months, but could I still be shut down from the use? All I did was stop cold turkey. I am sure it’s because my caloric intake was so low for so long, but who really knows. I want to talk to you guys about this. If I took his advice, would that be ridiculous? Would it just shut me down completely forever? Could I ever come off? My diet right now is around the 4k mark, a big change from my previous 2,500 cals. Mt training is more intense now, but I am not doing am cardio, or anything more than 10 minutes. I eat every 2-3 hours, 40g Protein, 60 carbs, 7-8 times increasing them pw and decreasing prebed…..If I did what he said and took the 100mg/week for say 10 weeks, kept my calories at the very high end, kept my training intense 4x a week, will this allow me to make some nice clean gains, then come off with a proper pct of clomid and nolva, continue the diet and just keep growing? I am just afraid that I am not going to make any gains right now no matter how much I eat or how hard I train because I have ZERO test production.

 

[yoop33]

How old are you? You have got to be younger then 20 if you aren't gaining any wait but it doesn't seem like you are conserned about gaining weight either. What are you trying to accomplish exactly?
Damg man I am at 6'5 235 and I thought I was thin.
Hope everything worked out brother

 

[JKurz1]

29.......I completely understand the process...however, I am just afraid before I go that route that it was all because of my low caloric intake for years....rsulting in my body shutting down, etc...so, I am wondering if I do crank my cals and stay off or do a full cycle now with pct, will I be able to come back natually?