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a question for the people that pray
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God ,like congress, only reverses his shit on a 2/3s vote.
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I think you must get enough electoral prayers to get in.
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Ask Curling, he knows all this Jebus shit.
There are many different answers, one that I like is: when a person says "I'll pray for you", it shows genuine care/empathy/hope for your issue to be resolved, the person praying wants your issue to not be an issue. Praying goes along with one's faith, it's a way of saying "even though the Creator is omniscient I am going to say a few words that let the Creator know how important it is for this "issue" to be resolved or to be dealt with accordingly". There are many other reasons, that is just one. peace
sh4dowf4lcon
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Irie gave a solid answer in my opinion. It boils down to your Faith, your Belief System, and how you were taught. I believe it is a comment that represents God is omnipresent and it is an important issue that prayer can take to God. In the Bible prayer is taught to summons God on others behalf. It is to show Faith that God can help, it is not a problem that is bigger than God, again according to your Faith and what you Believe.
Silent Method
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We tend to put a human face on God and things of a divine nature. God is not simply some guy sitting in a chair up in heaven tuning in to our "requests" that fall under the guise of prayer.
Our thoughts, feeling, and actions have repercussions in this world. The type of prayer you are referring to in this thread is purposeful and mindful amplification of positive energy coupled with an acknowledgment for the supreme and perfect nature of God.
Cliche I know, but the effects of prayer ripple through our lives like pebbles dropped in a pond.
Our thoughts, feeling, and actions have repercussions in this world. The type of prayer you are referring to in this thread is purposeful and mindful amplification of positive energy coupled with an acknowledgment for the supreme and perfect nature of God.
Cliche I know, but the effects of prayer ripple through our lives like pebbles dropped in a pond.
NoDaddyNo
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presguy said:
They just released a study from Duke saying that it doesn't help. Hot damn.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3193902.stm
Then there is the woman that ran a study that showed prayer "worked" for healing - then she got the same kind of cancer she was researching. The medical side "wasn't working" as the religious people around her said and they asked her to resort to prayer. She did, she died. It was later shown that the study was poorly run and the statistics were wrong, and the people that stood to benefit from it looking as if it were right messed with it and in the end her own death.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/prayer.html
The study that you are referring to is here:
http://gideonz.tripod.com/articles/OpenTes3.htm
They basically say that the prayer "works" because it makes the person relaxed and confident so that they aren't working against themselves.
That said, I think if you look in there and then back at the Wired article above, you will see that some of the studies are the same ones, this one is an older article.
I think in the end, if someone says that they will pray for you, just take it as them saying "I hope you don't die and I'm willing to take the time out to reiterate that fact."
Nicer of them than saying "Bummer John, but you owe me $30 and I'm gonna go ahead and hope you die painfully and slowly - cheers!"
Silent Method
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The study crap is just that - crap. We are talking about issues of faith, not science.
NoDaddyNo
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Silent Method said:
Say someone is a wonderful person and doesn't do anything wrong, she gets hit by a drunk driver and is put into a coma for 3 months.
Then say there is a real asshole that has done nothing but been a money grubbing dick that is generally cruel and rude to everyone - he gets colon cancer and is in the hospital as well.
Everyone that knows the first woman prays for her - over 300 people praying for her to heal and come through and survive.
The other guy has people that actively hate him and wish him death. Nobody prays for his recovery.
What happens when the woman dies and the man survives? Did someone not pray right?
NoDaddyNo
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When people say "there is much that I don't know, therefore it must be the work of God" or even extend it to "there is much that science doesn't know, therefore the rest is God" - that is always amusing to me.
Why God? Why not attribute it to nacho chips? Why not attribute it to the number 11? If you can have faith in God, then it is equally applicable to anything else - interchangable causation for the most part.
If you don't understand something, and then assume that it must be some higher power - it is an attribute of your ego - you assume that something that is beyond you must be very complex and powerful.
Perhaps you just don't grasp the obvious all that well.
Why God? Why not attribute it to nacho chips? Why not attribute it to the number 11? If you can have faith in God, then it is equally applicable to anything else - interchangable causation for the most part.
If you don't understand something, and then assume that it must be some higher power - it is an attribute of your ego - you assume that something that is beyond you must be very complex and powerful.
Perhaps you just don't grasp the obvious all that well.
Tiervexx
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big4life said:
If you place close attention to all those studies on how religion affects life you will notice that the effect is universal for all faiths.
This leaves tree obvious possibilities:
1) All religions are equal in god's eyes.
2) It is the person's outlook that makes the difference.
3) Duke's study is correct and it is all bullshit.
primetime21
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Who knows if prayer really works. i do know that it does have a placebo effect for many people. If you really believe that something out there is watching over you and protecting you and helping you, you feel more at ease.
Those people that refuse medical treatment when they are dying because they would rather "trust" god are insane in my opinion. What they don't understand is that if you really believe in god, you would understand that god is the one that allowed these drugs to come into being and he is providing the doctors with the skills to save your lives.
Those people that refuse medical treatment when they are dying because they would rather "trust" god are insane in my opinion. What they don't understand is that if you really believe in god, you would understand that god is the one that allowed these drugs to come into being and he is providing the doctors with the skills to save your lives.
NoDaddyNo
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primetime21 said:
It reminds me of a joke that a guy on my ferry tells me about once a week, regardless of what I say about "already having heard it before".
There is a man sitting in his house watching TV and the news breaks in and says "We are interrupting this broadcast to warn you that there is a flash flood comming, you must evacuate the area now."
The man chuckles to himself and thinks to himself that if there is a real problem, God will save him.
The water comes down so hard that the streets are flooded with a foot of water in the streets. The man goes out to watch it all and a large truck drives by, the driver leaning out saying "Come on, jump in and we can drive to safety."
The man waves him off and thinks to himself, he has faith and God would never let anything happen to him.
The water keeps coming down and soon it is so high than the man has floated up to the level of the roof of his house. He is standing on the roof when a boat goes by.
The man in the boat says "Jump in and we will get to safety."
He waves him off and thinks of his faith, knowing that if there were real danger, God would save him.
Finally the water is over his house and he has been treading water for over an hour. He is cold and there is nobody around as the storm increases in intensity.
A helicopter comes by and drops a ladder down to him and they yell out "Climb up and we will fly to safety!"
The man waves them away, confident in his faith and that God would never let anything happen to him.
Finally, he tires and his body drops below the water. His lungs painfully fill with water and he gasps for air that isn't there and dies.
He then finds himself in heaven and he angrily confronts God and says "Where were you?! How could you just let me die like that?! Why didn't you save me?"
God looks at him and says "I set you a warning, a truck, a boat, and a damn helicopter - what the hell more did you want?"
It's funny cause God uses strong language.
the nature boy
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I stopped praying because I saw what it did for MC Hammer.
the nature boy
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big4life said:
But you still dress like him don't you?
2 legit 2 quit.
Silent Method
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Good story NoDaddyNo.
PHATchik
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When a person prays, he or she is showing their faith in the fact that they believe God will hear their prayers. It's not necessarily saying He is going to answer them. I know that I personally think that every prayer helps. It's always nice knowing that there are several people praying for me on a certain issue. It's mental and spiritual support. So maybe it is a psychological thing. To each his own.
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