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A few more keto questions....

DanielBishop

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Just a bit of background to help you better understand my situation:

The last few months I've been on my own version of a high-protein, moderate fat, low carb diet. I would eat 5-7 times a day, and my main foods were eggs (heaps), steak and chicken. Those were my primary food sources. I also took psyllium husks for fibre, and a multi-vitamin/mineral supplement. I don't take any other supplements, not even protein. I tried to avoid all carbs, except occasionally I would indulge and have sausages or frankfurts or something. I did, however, have some carbs (usually 30-50g) post-workout. And for a while I had refeed days about every two weeks.

I don't know what my bodyfat levels are, but my aim is to lose as much fat as possible in the next few weeks and then once I'm at a level of about 6-10%, change my diet gradually to maintain it. But in terms of the diet, I want to try something else.

I have become more strict in not letting carbs sneak into my diet in the last few days. So no more sausages or anything with hidden carbs, and I've reduced my egg intake since they contain some carbs as well. I guess I'm going for a full keto diet. I stopped having my post-workout carbs as well.

Yesterday, for example.... my food intake was as follows:
*6 scrambled eggs w/light spray of cooking oil, 1 cup of tea (no milk, 2 x Splenda sachets)
*1 tablespoon flaxseed oil
*1 medium chicken breast, cooking spray
*About 130g steak
*8 egg whites (post-workout)
*240g ground beef (extra-trim, with some chilli powder, 1/2 an onion, cummin powder, some ginger powder, about 30g cheese)
*1 tablespoon of flaxseed oil
*240g ground beef, same as before

After adding it all up, my calories came to about 2100-2200.... which is about 11.5 calories/lb bodyweight for me.

So here's my question:
If I keep this sort of diet going, how long should it take until I achieve ketosis? Is there any changes you would recommend? Obviously I'll change it up each day so I'm not eating EXACTLY the same things every day. What about refeed days.... should I, or shouldn't I? What about post-workout carbs.... do I still need them for the insulin spike?

I'm still lifting weights as heavy, about 4 times a week.... and doing cardio about 5 times a week, usually for 30-60 minutes at a time at a moderate-fast pace on the treadmill.

I'm also trying to drink as much water as I can.

Anyone who knows a lot about keto diets, I would appreciate your imput.
 
So here's my question:
If I keep this sort of diet going, how long should it take until I achieve ketosis? Is there any changes you would recommend?
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it might take longer then you think because you're taking in too much protein, but you can still get into ketosis when taking in less then 50g carbs a day...I would say you need to ADD fats to your diet to balance out the fat/protein ratios

Obviously I'll change it up each day so I'm not eating EXACTLY the same things every day. What about refeed days.... should I, or shouldn't I?
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I would highly recommend having a refeed day, try a simple HIGH-GI carb-up as I point out in my CKD manual


What about post-workout carbs.... do I still need them for the insulin spike?
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post workout carbs are mostly for TKD users, not for CKD users, if your'e going to have post workout carbs 5 days a week then you will need to cut down your refeed from a day to just 1-2 meals...

Mr.X
 
mr x, why can too many protiens and not enough fats stop or slow you into ketosis? and besides if all you take in is fat what would you body use for energy? fat? thats good i guess if you want to make the little stix purple when you pee on them. but as got losing bf% and maintaining muscle how is a higher fat to proten ratio benificial?
 
prophet said:
mr x, why can too many protiens and not enough fats stop or slow you into ketosis? and besides if all you take in is fat what would you body use for energy? fat? thats good i guess if you want to make the little stix purple when you pee on them. but as got losing bf% and maintaining muscle how is a higher fat to proten ratio benificial?

Protein converts to glucose at a 50% rate; thus, too much protein is like eating excess carbs. You need to understand Ketosis, Ketosis is a state where the BODY burns FAT for ENERGY. So, the dietary fat is converted to ketones and you basically burn it off. Yes, Ketosis --Ketones to be exact-- are protein sparing, so you'll maintain muscle mass while losing bf.

Mr.X
 
Ooooh, neato.

How much protein per pound of bodyweight should I be taking in, then? Keeping in mind that I want to maintain maximum muscle, and even build some new muscle if at all possible on a keto diet.

Oh yeah.... and.... if I increase my fat intake, that will increase my overall calories, and I won't have as much of a calorie deficit. Is that okay?
 
DanielBishop said:
Ooooh, neato.

How much protein per pound of bodyweight should I be taking in, then? Keeping in mind that I want to maintain maximum muscle, and even build some new muscle if at all possible on a keto diet.

Oh yeah.... and.... if I increase my fat intake, that will increase my overall calories, and I won't have as much of a calorie deficit. Is that okay?

Protein should be no more then the ratios I point out in my manual....I always do 2 g fat per 1 g protein, so a 30g fat meal has 15g protein.

Building new muscle is IMPOSSIBLE, for in Ketosis you have no insulin response, so not muscle growth. Now, during the refeed you have a chance to gain a small amount of muscle due to the ANABOLIC phase you have produced for the body. The supercompensation will do that.

If you increase your fats you need to keep at least 10% below BMR either way, make sure you're taking in a caloric deficit.

read over my CKD manual, it's on this page in a STICKY

Mr.X
 
There are hidden carbs in sausage ? well I only eat maybe like 3 patties in the morning, and if you can still get into ketosis with <50g carbs then I should be fine.

I just don't understand why when doing keto diets people recommend to stay away from ALL carbs, when if you ration out your carbs and couple them with very low carb foods you can still stay in ketosis. Sometimes I like to wrap my bacon and eggs in a la tortilla factory tortilla which is like 3 carbs, I mean If I'm staying under my carb intake limit taking ala / r-ala to make sure I'm staying in ketosis, then you can portion out your low-carb meals.

Well I'll run the test the next two weeks, this week I'm aiming at 0 'low-carb' meals, just fat and protein, next week I'll add little carbs here and there like low-carb protein pancakes / waffles, keto pudding, etc and see what my ketosis results are...

Plus I do a fair share of extra cardio and extra weight training to make sure I'm totally glycogen depleted so my body has nothing to use but adipose and dietary fat for energy.

we will see how it goes
 
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