A conflicting theory........

[paradox]

Does clomid have any affect on your natural test levels if the synthetic test isnt 100% cleared out of your system?

It has been over a month since my last shot of sus & i just started clomid, Im basically just wondering if im wasteing clomid??? since the sus wont be cleared outta my system until about 2 months after my last shot.


thanks

 

[gilly6993]

Clomid should start 3 weeks after your last Sus shot....even though the drug hasn't "cleared" your system it's no longer effecting your HPTA.....so no, you're not wasting clomid

 

[Canuck4]

Clomid should start 3 weeks after your last Sus shot....even though the drug hasn't "cleared" your system it's no longer effecting your HPTA.....so no, you're not wasting clomid

Yep, I agree.
Also if you wait 2 months after to do clomid forget it.
You can kiss your gains goodbye.

 

[paradox]

Clomid should start 3 weeks after your last Sus shot....even though the drug hasn't "cleared" your system it's no longer effecting your HPTA.....so no, you're not wasting clomid

The longest acting ester in sus is deconate. Does deconate kick in at the 2 week or 3 week mark?

thanks again

 

[paradox]

bump

 

[Andy13]

Deconate yields the highest blood T levels within 24hrs after you inject it...

As for how long you should wait to start clomid... It depends on how much test you were using.

Andy

 

[paradox]

As for how long you should wait to start clomid... It depends on how much test you were using.

Andy

A gram a week???

 

[2Thick]

A gram a week???

A month should be more than enough time to start the clomid.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

How about....

Doing 400mg of norandron/week. Tapering off at 10mg Dianabol/day at end of cycle.

Start Clomid on last day or wait? How long?

 

[2Thick]

Re: How about....

Doing 400mg of norandron/week. Tapering off at 10mg Dianabol/day at end of cycle.

Start Clomid on last day or wait? How long?

You will need to wait 20-30 days after the last injection.

 

[akathegame]

2Thick,

I can tell from your short but exact responses that you are quite familiar with clomids mode of action. My experience with clomid is quite extensive, but limited only to use with little understanding of the mechanism through which it is effective in restoring HPTA. I be really grateful if you could explain some of the finer points to me because as you'll see, I've been compensating for my gaps in knowledge by overcompensating the clomid therapy. The method, while not the most efficient I'm sure, has been quite effective. I've always started my clomid therapy 1-2 weeks after terminating the gear. Basically, I start the clomid when I would typically be injecting or otherwise dosing again if I weren't stopping. I have been aware that this schedule may have been rendering my initial days, or even weeks, of clomid therapy ineffective if the clomid is non-responsive until exogeneous test has been removed from the equation. I was just never convinced this was definitely the case and have found clomid cheap enough to not concern myself over wasting two weeks worth. I figured I'd start the clomid early and run it for atleast 4 weeks, maybe 6. The way I saw it was even if two weeks were wasted, or maybe only 10 days wasted, I was willing to spend the money to make sure that I had the clomid going strong whenever my system was ready to utilize it, with no gap time. I've never noted any side effects or issue to make me rethink 4-6 week clomid therapy beginning almost immediately post cycle. I'm not doubting there are better more efficient ways and I'm hoping you can enlighten me a bit as too the thinking behind the gap you recommend between termination of gear and clomid therapy. I have used the above method post cycle when cycling high test volumes and have always kept my gains quite well. I will tell you that I would be nervous willing myself to wait 20-30 days post cycle to start therapy. Not doubting you bro, but I'd feel alot better hearing the mechanisms and reasoning for this. I'm really psyched to get the truth from a vet like yourself whose obviously been around the game for a longtime and whose opinion I'd greatly respect. Thanks bro. Out.

 

[2Thick]

akathegame,

Clomid, as you might already know, is a synthetic estrogen that is primarily prescribed to women as a fertility aid. For males Clomid elevates both follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH), which causes natural testosterone production to increase.

Some say that it is also a mild anti-estrogen because it may block free floating estrogen from attaching to estrogen receptors, but I tend to shy away from subscribing to that secondary effect.

In a crude nutshell, the synthetic estrogen tricks your body into producing natural test to compensate for the increased estrogen. That explanation is not great, but gives a sketch-work of what is happening.

With that being said, the timing of the clomid is important because if you use clomid when there is an artificially high level of test in your system (i.e. during a cycle), then your body has no interest in producing more test since it feels that homeostasis is in place.

The last two weeks after a cycle is still prime growing time. Many people do not enjoy the last few weeks after their last dose because they do not realize it is a time when test levels are still elevated.

After about 20 days, the test levels are reduced enough (for most oil-based gear) for Clomid to start restoring your natural test.

 

[akathegame]

2Thick,

Thanks for the clarification bro. With what you said though, I totally agree with the valuable growing time during the last few weeks. My contention has always been that I start the clomid therapy at this time, even though it will not work at the time b/c as you said the body still thinks its in homeostasis. My logic is that while the clomid isn't working,it also isn't hendering the gains I'm still enjoying. Since the clomid is so cheap and isn't effecting the gains, I reason that I'll run it from early on so that as my body falls out of homeostasis I will already have the clomid in my system and I won't run the risk of gap time. I totally agree that the oil based gear will be getting out of my system in around 20 days, but I figure with my method this estimation isn't necesary. Addtionally, the clomid does act as a mild anti-estro which is never a nad thingas exogenous test supplier are cut off. Is there any logic in my practice pre-empting the clomid, though I admit it is a bit wasteful? Thanks for your time 2Thick and thanks for providing such a concise overview of clomids function. I always new it worked, but that went a ways to helping me to understand why it works. I hope you won't mind if I contact you from time to time for further advice. Thanks bro. Out.