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A-bombs and winny stack....bad idea?
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THE BOUNCER
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are you trying to kill your liver?
CYCLEON
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IMO winny is one of the best combos for aboms there is - whiel the adrol's joint lubrication effects counteract winny's dryness, winny will combat mild progesterone gyno tendencies while reducing unnecessary bloat. the combo can be hard on tthe liver - tho ive had no trouble with it. - as always, u should use liver/kidney protectors
- anyway adrol should never be used over 4ws continuously IMO
some long test cyp/eth or sust would be great or some eq - anything but deca.
W1-4 test/eq, adrol, winny
W5-8 test/eq
W9-10 test/eq, winny
W11-13 winny
W14 clomid therapy
dosage based on experience
If your relatively new - u might be just as happy with a test/dbol/arimdex/winny after the dbols
- anyway adrol should never be used over 4ws continuously IMO
some long test cyp/eth or sust would be great or some eq - anything but deca.
W1-4 test/eq, adrol, winny
W5-8 test/eq
W9-10 test/eq, winny
W11-13 winny
W14 clomid therapy
dosage based on experience
If your relatively new - u might be just as happy with a test/dbol/arimdex/winny after the dbols
Anadrol/Winstrol = not a good idea! Both are harsh on liver, very harsh, both are harsh on hair, very harsh, so , obviously, stacking them together, you are looking for side effects, instead of looking for right stacks to avoid those.
Get some injectable in there, and use only one oral(I hope you choose Winstrol)
Test/Winstrol
Fina/Winstrol
EQ/ Winstrol
even Deca/Winstol would be better then Anadrol/Winstrol
Get some injectable in there, and use only one oral(I hope you choose Winstrol)
Test/Winstrol
Fina/Winstrol
EQ/ Winstrol
even Deca/Winstol would be better then Anadrol/Winstrol
CYCLEON
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paneri - i gotta disagree - on ur premise that the combo is too toxic to take - have u ever tried it or have real friends who have or is it based on ur research? - ont know anyone who has actually done this with problems, including me.
wouldnt go longer than 6wks strit with the winny especially after 4wks abombs - paneri is right tho about the injectable - u should ad some long test if possible
for 10 wks total - I know maybe u dont like th epins but it will make it smoother and easier to keep ur gains. - follow with clomid, dont theink ull be shut down enough to need HCG
wouldnt go longer than 6wks strit with the winny especially after 4wks abombs - paneri is right tho about the injectable - u should ad some long test if possible
for 10 wks total - I know maybe u dont like th epins but it will make it smoother and easier to keep ur gains. - follow with clomid, dont theink ull be shut down enough to need HCG
ROIDRANGER
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CYCLEON said:
i totally agree, this is one of the best cutting stacks ive ever done...they go very well together!!
MikeyLikesJuice
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i would get some armidex with those abombs, or liquidex, whichever one you can get.
CYCLEON
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ROIDRANGER - u drop abombs for a cutting cycle!?!?!?! wow - Id hate to see ur bulking cycle - ur source has gotta be living in a mansion!!!
Mikey - with the drols he shouldnt have estrogen aromitase - tho it is possible at higher doses or susceptability. still - .25 mg ED of arimdex never hurt anyone and will keep u lean - Ill never cycle without arimdex again ever! (cept maybe deca only- and who wants to do that
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Mikey - with the drols he shouldnt have estrogen aromitase - tho it is possible at higher doses or susceptability. still - .25 mg ED of arimdex never hurt anyone and will keep u lean - Ill never cycle without arimdex again ever! (cept maybe deca only- and who wants to do that
)MikeyLikesJuice
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HEY CYCLE ON
Anadrol aromatizes fairly easily. Oxymetholone has been reported to produce gynecomastia in users (not all probably around 50%). An anti-estrogen should be used to counteract the aromatization. ANadrol is the hardest drug to prevent gyno with, I use nolv and prov when on that shit also.
Anadrol aromatizes fairly easily. Oxymetholone has been reported to produce gynecomastia in users (not all probably around 50%). An anti-estrogen should be used to counteract the aromatization. ANadrol is the hardest drug to prevent gyno with, I use nolv and prov when on that shit also.
Anadrol doesn't aromatise, it's impossible because of its molecular structure, it has affinity to progesterone receptor, and that's how it can cause gyno.
Diff people have diff reaction on 17-AA steroids(hepatoxic ones), so if some people can get away with higher doses of them, doesn't mean that others will do also. Don't forget, that certain things you develope in your liver because of abuse of substances, will pay you back on a long run.
So, stacking two 17AA steroids doesn't sound like a very healthy idea, even Cycleon might believe that his liver is fine( did you run a test, or you just believe so, bro?)
It could be fine, but not for everyone, so it's always better to look for alternatives, instead of blintly say : Go!
Injectables are certainly much better choice in stacking, not only because of not being 17AA, but also, because you can do a REAL cycle with those(8-12 weeks) and help those gains to stick with you, unlike with orals when you are limited to 4-6 weeks(especially if you stack two orals together) and then you loose half, or most of the gains.
Diff people have diff reaction on 17-AA steroids(hepatoxic ones), so if some people can get away with higher doses of them, doesn't mean that others will do also. Don't forget, that certain things you develope in your liver because of abuse of substances, will pay you back on a long run.
So, stacking two 17AA steroids doesn't sound like a very healthy idea, even Cycleon might believe that his liver is fine( did you run a test, or you just believe so, bro?)
It could be fine, but not for everyone, so it's always better to look for alternatives, instead of blintly say : Go!
Injectables are certainly much better choice in stacking, not only because of not being 17AA, but also, because you can do a REAL cycle with those(8-12 weeks) and help those gains to stick with you, unlike with orals when you are limited to 4-6 weeks(especially if you stack two orals together) and then you loose half, or most of the gains.
MikeyLikesJuice
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CYCLE ON WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Anadrol aromatizes fairly easily!!!!!!!!!!!!!Simple
Anadrol aromatizes fairly easily!!!!!!!!!!!!!Simple
MikeyLikesJuice
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this is how it is right here
Anadrol is an oral drug with a dosage of 50mg per tablet. It is the strongest oral on the market!!!!!! It has both high androgenic and anabolic effects. Strength and weight gains are very significant1!!!! It is highly toxic to the liver. Anadrol also AROMATIZES fairly easily. Oxymetholone has been reported to produce gynecomastia in users (not all probably around 50%). An anti-estrogen should be used to counteract the aromatization!!!!don't argue with that
Anadrol is an oral drug with a dosage of 50mg per tablet. It is the strongest oral on the market!!!!!! It has both high androgenic and anabolic effects. Strength and weight gains are very significant1!!!! It is highly toxic to the liver. Anadrol also AROMATIZES fairly easily. Oxymetholone has been reported to produce gynecomastia in users (not all probably around 50%). An anti-estrogen should be used to counteract the aromatization!!!!don't argue with that
MickeyLikesJuice, I know were you are coming from(probably WAR, or some other outdated book), but it's simply not true.
Anadrol can not possibly aromatise, the aromatise enzyme can not fit as a "key" to Anadrol molecule. Don't believe everything you read, read more from as many diff sources as possible so you can form some kind of independent opinion.
Anadrol can not possibly aromatise, the aromatise enzyme can not fit as a "key" to Anadrol molecule. Don't believe everything you read, read more from as many diff sources as possible so you can form some kind of independent opinion.
CYCLEON
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mikey - far be it from me to verbally clash with u.. hehehe
I also cant disagree with using arimdex no matter what (cept 4 deca only) - still disagree on the adrol aromatizing tho -u may be more sensitive than most but again - it seems to upregulate aromatase for other anabolics - yet its own gyno seems to be progestagenic - again why we add winny. Ive heard of people (tho dont personally know any) who are susceptabel to deca tits getting gyno from drol even with heavy anti-e's - how's that??? so they take dbol instead!
what im saying is ur getting the est tits from the rest of ur stack which drol makes worse, not the drol
I also cant disagree with using arimdex no matter what (cept 4 deca only) - still disagree on the adrol aromatizing tho -u may be more sensitive than most but again - it seems to upregulate aromatase for other anabolics - yet its own gyno seems to be progestagenic - again why we add winny. Ive heard of people (tho dont personally know any) who are susceptabel to deca tits getting gyno from drol even with heavy anti-e's - how's that??? so they take dbol instead!
what im saying is ur getting the est tits from the rest of ur stack which drol makes worse, not the drol
MikeyLikesJuice
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Anadrol has a great number of possible side effects. Anadrol can cause gyno, it increases water retention, and high blood pressure. Severe acne and increased hair loss can also occur. Increased aggressiveness and a reduction in the body's own testosterone production is not uncommon. Other possibilities include liver damage, headaches, nausea, vomiting,, and enlargement of the prostate gland.
MikeyLikesJuice
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lol at adding winny
That effect can be REDUCED by concurrent use of stanozolol, which is anti-progestagenic. Key word REDUCED, you make it sound like its 100% lol its reduced
That effect can be REDUCED by concurrent use of stanozolol, which is anti-progestagenic. Key word REDUCED, you make it sound like its 100% lol its reduced
MikeyLikesJuice
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it seems to upregulate aromatase for other anabolics - yet its own gyno seems to be progestagenic - again why we add winny, referring to this
CYCLEON
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im with u on it only reduces it, not eliminate it - only thing suposed to do that is ru486 adn I dont kow anyone whose tried it. again tho it good for those who may be only mildly progestrone prone, which is a lot more folks than have it bad - again tho, drol's bad gyno stories mostly come from what people stack it with - not its own effects. thats my say on it - if ur taking drol with other anabolics, double the anti-es ud need cause the drol will make them aromatise more. nuff said!
MikeyLikesJuice
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NO WAY!!! I seen wway too many people get gyno from anadrol only cycles, don't even pull that nuff said shit bud!!
MikeyLikesJuice
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that is easily the most stupidest sh** I have ever heard!!
MikeyLikesJuice
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where do you think I got that info from up there, the people who made anadrol
MikeyLikesJuice
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na actually that is from 50mg a day way off by 100mg!!!
MikeyLikesJuice
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winstrol won't protect you, thats what I said it only reduces it, and it does aromatize easy by itself.
MikeyLikesJuice
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cycleon maybe you should do some research, thats where I got the info from, and I work at a plpace that has a pharmacy with two guys that juice, how about that, and they have the books and papers on all the updates, so go work on whatever sh** you where going to work on.
MikeyLikesJuice
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forgot to respond
Aromatase cannot work on DHT, Proviron, Winstrol, anavar, halotestin, or primo, theres the others, you named 2
Aromatase cannot work on DHT, Proviron, Winstrol, anavar, halotestin, or primo, theres the others, you named 2
MikeyLikesJuice
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Anadrol has both high androgenic and anabolic effects. Anadrol also aromatizes fairly easily. Oxymetholone has been reported to produce gynecomastia in users 50%%%%%%% An anti-ESTROGEN SHOULD BE USED to counteract the aromatization. Nolvadex is an suggested anti-estrogen. Many side effects are associated including acne, hair loss, headaches, gyno hypertension, and lots of water water retention. Im leaving it at this, you believe what you want, I will go by the people who make the drug and the info that pharmacys have that the company sends to them.
Hugh Gellatts
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Tren/Anadrol/Winstrol: my first cycle, which I designed around Bill Roberts' advice. Ran it for a month and blew up. Followed it up with 5 weeks of test prop.
I'd do it exactly the same if I were to do my first cycle again.
I'd do it exactly the same if I were to do my first cycle again.
How much liquidex?
Hey guys, I'm doing an 8 week cycle now and I just threw in 2 weeks worth of Abombs at the beginning. The A-bombs are gonna overlap with my 50mg winny tabs during those two weeks. After the anadrol is done I'm starting up tren for the remaining 6 weeks.
So, all that said, what liquidex dosage should I be using during the first two weeks of anadrol+winny? Also, should the liquidex be run only during the time that I'm taking the A-bombs or would I be wise to run it continuously for all 8 weeks at low doses?
Thanks,
- Judoman
Hey guys, I'm doing an 8 week cycle now and I just threw in 2 weeks worth of Abombs at the beginning. The A-bombs are gonna overlap with my 50mg winny tabs during those two weeks. After the anadrol is done I'm starting up tren for the remaining 6 weeks.
So, all that said, what liquidex dosage should I be using during the first two weeks of anadrol+winny? Also, should the liquidex be run only during the time that I'm taking the A-bombs or would I be wise to run it continuously for all 8 weeks at low doses?
Thanks,
- Judoman
when it comes to AAS bil Roberts is the god, this excerpt from his profile on Oxymetholone on meso: -
by Bill Roberts - Like methandrostenolone (Dianabol), oxymetholone does not bind well to the androgen receptor (AR), and most of the anabolism it provides is via non-AR-mediated effects. It is therefore a Class II steroid and is best stacked with a Class I steroid. The drug appears to give the same benefits as Dianabol. Unlike Dianabol, however, it seems that oxymetholone is progestagenic. It has been observed to cause nipple soreness or to aggravate gynecomastia even in the presence of high dose antiestrogens, strongly suggesting that the effect is not estrogenic. That effect can be reduced by concurrent use of stanozolol (Winstrol), which is anti-progestagenic. This progestagenic effect of oxymetholone is only a concern when using aromatizing steroids. With androgens such as Primobolan, oxymetholone stacks very nicely and is a surprisingly friendly drug. In contrast, with testosterone it is a very harsh drug.
Anadrol does not convert to estrogen, and thus antiestrogens are not required if no aromatizable AAS are being used. However, in concert with aromatizing drugs, Anadrol is notorious for worsening "estrogenic" symptoms, possibly by producing progestagenic symptoms which the bodybuilder confuses as estrogenic, or by altering estrogen metabolism, or by upregulating aromatase.
Compared to what bodybuilders expect of it, the drug is reasonably mild when no aromatizing steroids are present. I consider its potency approximately comparable to Dianabol. It is not unusual for a first time user to do quite well on an Anadrol-only cycle, but more advanced users will want to stack with another steroid. Typical use is 50-150 mg/day, which should be divided into several doses per day.
Because oxymetholone is 17-alkylated, it is stressful to the liver. It is better to limit use to no more than 6 weeks or preferably four weeks before taking a break of at least equal length. Many users feel that it is more effectively used in the beginning parts of the cycle, rather than in the last few weeks.
by Bill Roberts - Like methandrostenolone (Dianabol), oxymetholone does not bind well to the androgen receptor (AR), and most of the anabolism it provides is via non-AR-mediated effects. It is therefore a Class II steroid and is best stacked with a Class I steroid. The drug appears to give the same benefits as Dianabol. Unlike Dianabol, however, it seems that oxymetholone is progestagenic. It has been observed to cause nipple soreness or to aggravate gynecomastia even in the presence of high dose antiestrogens, strongly suggesting that the effect is not estrogenic. That effect can be reduced by concurrent use of stanozolol (Winstrol), which is anti-progestagenic. This progestagenic effect of oxymetholone is only a concern when using aromatizing steroids. With androgens such as Primobolan, oxymetholone stacks very nicely and is a surprisingly friendly drug. In contrast, with testosterone it is a very harsh drug.
Anadrol does not convert to estrogen, and thus antiestrogens are not required if no aromatizable AAS are being used. However, in concert with aromatizing drugs, Anadrol is notorious for worsening "estrogenic" symptoms, possibly by producing progestagenic symptoms which the bodybuilder confuses as estrogenic, or by altering estrogen metabolism, or by upregulating aromatase.
Compared to what bodybuilders expect of it, the drug is reasonably mild when no aromatizing steroids are present. I consider its potency approximately comparable to Dianabol. It is not unusual for a first time user to do quite well on an Anadrol-only cycle, but more advanced users will want to stack with another steroid. Typical use is 50-150 mg/day, which should be divided into several doses per day.
Because oxymetholone is 17-alkylated, it is stressful to the liver. It is better to limit use to no more than 6 weeks or preferably four weeks before taking a break of at least equal length. Many users feel that it is more effectively used in the beginning parts of the cycle, rather than in the last few weeks.
drveejay11
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regarding the 50%
I believe that some users can get gyno from abombs, but that it is indirectly estrogenic. I have finished a Tren only cycle to get a feel for its effects and can say I experienced bloating, tender nipples while on; no need for dex right? hmmmm.
Strange that this would happen since Fina does not convert to E. It, like abombs does not convert and it leads me to believe that the people who get symptoms from these non converting drugs have interesting counter responses to high androgen levels.
For instance, If I'm getting bloating and the drug I'm taking doesn't aromatize, My system could be MAKING a abundance of E to keep up with the high androgen levels. So next time I'll try some dex to compliment my cycle with these drugs and see if it helps any with the symptoms.
I believe that some users can get gyno from abombs, but that it is indirectly estrogenic. I have finished a Tren only cycle to get a feel for its effects and can say I experienced bloating, tender nipples while on; no need for dex right? hmmmm.
Strange that this would happen since Fina does not convert to E. It, like abombs does not convert and it leads me to believe that the people who get symptoms from these non converting drugs have interesting counter responses to high androgen levels.
For instance, If I'm getting bloating and the drug I'm taking doesn't aromatize, My system could be MAKING a abundance of E to keep up with the high androgen levels. So next time I'll try some dex to compliment my cycle with these drugs and see if it helps any with the symptoms.
drveejay11
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A-bombs + winny = a 
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