A-bombs and cutting?

[Cannibal]

I have some a-50 on the way, but I really don't want to gain all that water and fat, I just went through 6 months of hell to lose a bunch of bodyfat.
So I am wondering if a-50's could be used with other cutting drugs, at a lower dose like 25mg ed. Other drugs are EQ 600 a week, winny 50mg ed, t-400 200mg a week.

Would the a-bombs mess it up? My thinking is that with half an a-bomb a day maybe I can keep up the strength. You'll have to excuse my ignorance.

Another Q, anyone have the links to threads that teach you why certain drugs should be stacked and why others shouldnt? Like I keep hearing that I should not use Deca with my A-50's, just want a really good, detailed thread on that.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Bulldog_10]

Use the winny. Also do a search under Huck's name (the moderator), he posted an awesome thread about a week ago about why certain things should be stacked with each other.

 

[Cannibal]

Bulldog,
I am going to use the winny, just wondering if I use a low dosage of anadrol, will I totally mess up the cutting effects of the winny anEQ? In other words, is the drol a really bad idea and why?

 

[Bulldog_10]

I think it should be fine. It will obviously keep you strong and the winny will help with the side effects(bloat, gyno, etc..)

Go for it bro!

 

[Bulldog_10]

Yo cannibal...that thread i told you about just got bumped up. Check it out!

 

[Cannibal]

Thanks bulldog.
I saw the thread and it is very informative, but i still dont understand why I shouldnt take a bombs with deca. I remember someone saying something about it aggravating Gyno or something, but , knock on wood, I have never gotten any of the gyno symptoms, even with some moderately heavy dosages. I got the part about why class I and Class II should be used, but what if you use all clas II drugs (just as an example) Other than it maybe being not as effective, are there any good reasons not to do it. If all you got at the time are the class II stuf and you want to use them, should you?

Sorry about the long winded subject, it's just that I am finding myself in that boat right now, and I plan to start my winter cycle in mid december.

Thanks again.

 

[Bulldog_10]

A-bombs and deca are both progesterone steroids. So the chances of getting progesterone gyno increase when using both at the same time.

You can use only class 2 drugs if you want, but Huck's post was about stacking for optimum efficiency, which is what you want when cycling.

 

[Cannibal]

I think that might be what I am looking for, a list or book of the progesterone steroids, the androgenic ones, etc..... That might give me a better understanding.

Anyhow, thanks for all of your input, you've been a great help, but I need to rethink this a little.

 

[serge]

anadrol 50 has very poor receptor affininty, that is why it come in 50mg doses. running 25mg will be a waste of anadrol, run some winny with it, and keep the carbs very low and you will not hold much water at all. Without carbohydrates your body cant hold much water. But if you are going to use A-50, then deffinetly go with 50mg/ed. I know guyz who use it and they look good, but carbs are the key and so is winny.

 

[Cannibal]

Serge,
When you say low carbs, how low are you talking, cause I cant lift heavy on a restricted carb intake. During cutting, I try to keep carbs at around 40-50 gm a day, but after the first excercise, power goes down the shitter. So I wanted to up the carbs to around 200+ to get some strength back, or is that not what I want to do?

Q: If I get some arimidex, never used it before, will that be good enough so that I can eat more carbs. It's just that my wife found my gear for the first time, she knows I'm going to continue but I don't want it to be so obvious this winter, especially to our friends and family. So I don't want to bloat up like a pig this winter and get ripped in a 4-5 month period. So I want to make my bulking cycle a lot less obvious.
Maybe what I'm tryint to do is counter-productive to a bulking cycle anyway. I would just stick to cutting ccles, but I'm not ready to be a pin cushion quite so soon.

 

[Italianboy]

Cutting doesn't mean prepareing to a show,right?
So a little or an higer water retention isn't so bad while cutting.
Keep this in mindur body regulates the process of using/storing fat by ANDROGENS VS ESTROGENS level.
So high androgens(with nor aromatization)means and easy fat reduction.
YOu can burn more fat(and quicker) with high test-dbol(and femara) stack than what you can do with eq-winny stack.

So Anadrol is high androgen and low estrogenic:if you do an ipocaloric diet you'll be happy too...

 

[serge]

when i say low carb i mean 20% of your total caloric intake. When dieting you should first adjust your calories to loose weight, take your bodyweight and multiply it by 12, that will be your total caloric intake, now the nutrient breakdown:

20%carbs
70%protein
10%fats

for a 200lb bodybuilder that yealds:

2400cals per day

2400*0.2=480/4=120g carbs
2400*0.7=1680/4=420g protein
2400*0.1=240/9=27g fats

try this diet i bet you will get very good results, but do expect your envergy levels go down, you cant worrie about increasing your strength while loosing bodyfat

 

[Italianboy]

Serge there are really few fats in that diet.

 

[TPH]

how about using some liquidex in your cycle??

 

[Cannibal]

you know, I would love to use liquidex, keep hearing about it, but have no idea where to even begin lookin for it. I have a line on arimidex tabs, but the are pretty pricey.

If liquidex is an "asian" product, then I'm not interested, especiall in light of what's going on in the world right now. (yes I am a chicken)

But if it is not, I would appreciate any e-mails with info.
Thanks again.

 

[Cannibal]

Thanks for the info Serge. I can go ahead and try that diet. Actually, I am eating less carbs already 40-60. But my protein is less too, around 300. and fats are a little higher, around 30-40. And calories are higher, around 2600-2900.

So, I will definately try that out and let you know what happens, I should be done sometime towards the end of Jan. So I repost at that time.

Thanks again, you guys have been a great help!

 

[pgerardone]

Anadrol is an excellant steroid for dieting. I always use it when preparing to compete. You will not hold a lot of water if your diet is good. Of course if you eat burger king all day and take anadrol you will become bloated. Also drink a lot of water. Using arimidex will also help a lot. There is no such thing as a cutting steroid as steroids are not good thermogenics. The steroids labeled as cutting steroids are those which retain the least amount of water but they are generally not as anabolic as steroids such as anadrol. You will hold more muscle and look better if you include the anadrol in your dieting phase and water retention can be controlled by eating a clean diet. I would go with 50mgs a day.

 

[TPH]

Cannibal: I believe recently (this year) a generic form of liquidex is being produced domestically. The Mods should be able to help.

Good luck!!

 

[Cannibal]

Thanks TPH,
I will check with one.

 

[serge]

you should get very good results regardless, just make sure to keep adjusting your calories as you drop in bodyweight, let me know how it goes.

 

[MadCow1]

A-50 Personal Experience

I've used it a few times in low dosages during a cutting cycle (12.5-50 but mostly 12.5-25mgs daily). I did not hold much water at all and was able to get very lean and hard. Oh - strength went through the roof, work capacity and recovery were unbelievable. It was a favorite when used in this method.

I will say that I respond very well to low dosages of just about anything (except test - go figure). Most don't get the type of results I did but several on this board have had similar experiences. There was a post on it months ago so it might be hard to find (search anadrol and my name together and you may get lucky).

There is only one way to find out what works for you - give it a week or 2 and see. I'd be interested if it works for you also.