4 week deca cycle do I need nolva??

[Muntch]

I am a new aas user. I'm on my first week of a 4 week deca cycle at 400mg a week.
Now before I continue I want to reiterate that I'm not looking for freakshow gains really fast. I'm after a more slow steady conservative long term approach. I'm pointing this out because alot of guys may ask, " A 4 weeker, why bother?"

A couple of months ago I was on a 4 week cycle at 200mg a week, but my routine got screwed up and I only completed 3 weeks of the cycle. I gained 3 pounds and kept it with no sides.

I'm going by L. Rea's CME vol. 1 only I'm doubling the doesage.

In the CME first year male examples Rea states,

"Since the dosage was low and the cycle was short, anti estrogens were not ulilizednor was there need for HPTA stimulating compounds post cycle."

My question is, since I'm only on a four weeker but I've doubled the dosage, will I need HPTA stimulating compounds.

I have clomid but I would rather use nolva but I havn't recived my nolva and I don't know if I'm gonna get it.

Do I need anti estrogens after only 4 weeks?
Also since deca is a slow acting aas and lingers in your system for a couple weeks, when would I administer the the anti estrogens? Do I use them right after my last injection or do I wait until a couple of weeks until the deca has cleared my system? Thanx bro's.

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Yes your going to need some sort of PCT and always have nolva/arimidex on hand for gyno or nipple issues.
I dont know what you expect with only 4 weeks, you need at least 8 maybe 10 to see real results.

 

[Nucman]

You need to do a little more research 1st, no offense. A person usually will not show any gains from Deca for 3 to 4 weeks. Deca will not convert to E to any appreciable degree. Nandrolone is a progestin, so uou can get pronounced gyno. At 400mg/wk, you will probably be impotent by week 3 or 4. IMO, deca should always be stacked with test of some sort.

200mg/wk for 3wks, and you gained 3#???? If you got your workouts, and diet dialed it, I'll bet you'd gain more than that naturally.

Short esters work much better for short cycles.

 

[evander1972]

Your wasting your time running Deca for 4 weeks IMO, As said allready its just kicking in at week 3 or 4. This would be a poor and illinformed cycle. I would forget this and if you want to do a 4 weeker then at least pick a compound thats active more quickly.

 

[StickFigure]

Hasn't anyone heard of L. Rea? The guy is one of the foremost authorities on AAS. It seems like no one even acknowledges this guys 20 years of research and application! I know everyone has their own opinions on these topics but if the guy has case studies backed by scientific research that should speak volumes of his credibility.

Muntch was quoting directly out of the CME vol. 1 and it seems like you guys just totally discarded that fact. Newbie or not I think it's just plain logical that scientific research and real life results take first place to opinion.

 

[chordz]

Your wasting your time running Deca for 4 weeks IMO, As said allready its just kicking in at week 3 or 4. This would be a poor and illinformed cycle. I would forget this and if you want to do a 4 weeker then at least pick a compound thats active more quickly.

Yes, Cyclo-nandrolone would work great in that amount of time.

 

[Muntch]

You need to do a little more research 1st, no offense. A person usually will not show any gains from Deca for 3 to 4 weeks. Deca will not convert to E to any appreciable degree. Nandrolone is a progestin, so uou can get pronounced gyno. At 400mg/wk, you will probably be impotent by week 3 or 4. IMO, deca should always be stacked with test of some sort.

200mg/wk for 3wks, and you gained 3#???? If you got your workouts, and diet dialed it, I'll bet you'd gain more than that naturally.

Short esters work much better for short cycles.

I have to ask. What sense does it make to say that I would gain more naturally?

Also I've been doing lots of reserch for almost a year. I'm looking for info from guys who have actually used deca to see what input they can give. Have you used deca? If so, how much for how long? Thanks.

 

[Muntch]

In CME vol 1 page 64 Rea says, "Since aromatization was low, in 200 - 400mg weekly dosages (deca), anti estrogens were not commomly necessary to avoid gyno and estrogenic induced side effects."

I know that deca has a low aromatization rate and it converts to less active estrogens. Hence my question I'm looking for guys who have actually used deca. Not to imply that you guys haven't. Have any of you?

 

[Muntch]

Hasn't anyone heard of L. Rea? The guy is one of the foremost authorities on AAS. It seems like no one even acknowledges this guys 20 years of research and application! I know everyone has their own opinions on these topics but if the guy has case studies backed by scientific research that should speak volumes of his credibility.

Muntch was quoting directly out of the CME vol. 1 and it seems like you guys just totally discarded that fact. Newbie or not I think it's just plain logical that scientific research and real life results take first place to opinion.

Thanks Stick,
Rea has been very helpful in helping me to understand the dynamics of aas and the potential implications of using them.

 

[[email protected]]

Is there a particular reason that you only want to go only 4 weeks? I'm not saying you won't gain some, but you would gain so much more on at least 8 weeks or longer, stacked with a little test for sexual reasons. I have done deca before and it takes around 4 weeks for it to kick in for me. Maybe you'll be different. Gains will be at a minimum regardless though.

 

[bw1]

Is there a particular reason that you only want to go only 4 weeks? I'm not saying you won't gain some, but you would gain so much more on at least 8 weeks or longer, stacked with a little test for sexual reasons. I have done deca before and it takes around 4 weeks for it to kick in for me. Maybe you'll be different. Gains will be at a minimum regardless though.

I know on the surface you make good points. However I know where Muntch and Stickfigure are coming from, I have Rea's CME book although it is true you start off with 4 weeks the total cycle spans 34 weeks and gets stronger the deeper you get in to it. So you have to look at the whole picture of this cycle.

 

[Nighthawkk]

For 4 weeks, you would do much better with NPP

 

[Stryker1992]

In MY experince, probably not at that dose and length. Deca can shut them off hard though, no PCT, can you tell me what the book said on that please???

Thanks

 

[bw1]

In MY experince, probably not at that dose and length. Deca can shut them off hard though, no PCT, can you tell me what the book said on that please???

Thanks

Quote....."The most common first cycle was brief(week#1-4). Deca Durabolin, 200-mg every 7th day. For those who were under 200-LBS, this short cycle provided good strength gains with lasting lean mass gains which were mostly maintained after discontinuance of the AAS. Deca is a strong anabolic/moderately androgenic drug that promotes a high rate of protein synthesis. For this reason, a high protein intake of 1-2-g per LB of body weight was a must. Average total calorie intake was 18-20 calories per pound of body weight daily. Since the dosage was low and the cycle short, anti-estrogens were not utilized nor was there need for HPTA stimulating compounds post cycle." Unquote....

 

[Muntch]

Also, Rea said that the first 2 cycles (200mg deca for 4 weeks, then 4 weeks off followed by 200mg primabolin per week stacked with 25-35mg a day of anavar for 4 weeks) worked so well that he repeated these 2 cycles before going on to longer harder stacks.

I don't want to just come charging out of the gates guns blazing by going long cycles stacking harder drugs. I think that would be foolish. I want to see how my body reacts to the gear before I go hard core. what If I get great gains on less juice? I would never know if I go on to harder drug protocols right off the bat, and potentially be wasting money

I also wanted to ask, what did Arnold and the lifters from his era do to combat estrogens? Those guys never had gyno. And how did they get their nuts to grow back faster when they got shut down? I don't think they had stuff like clomid or nolva back then.

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm in week 3 of Deca only...I have gained nothing nor did I expect to gain anything in the first month.

 

[geoboy]

I'm in week 3 of Deca only...I have gained nothing nor did I expect to gain anything in the first month.

this may be a stupid question, but since the first 3 or 4 weeks of adeca cycle are largely just a waiting game, and since there is now a fast nandrolone available, why not just do NPP? 2 shots a week vs 1 shot a week isnt enuf of a gain in convienience to justify imho.

 

[Latamier]

By the time you quit your cycle at 4 weeks you will just then be able to start to see some type of gains. You need to at least double the cycle length or save your time and money until you can afford to do so.

 

[eviction]

I am a new aas user. I'm on my first week of a 4 week deca cycle at 400mg a week.
Now before I continue I want to reiterate that I'm not looking for freakshow gains really fast. I'm after a more slow steady conservative long term approach. I'm pointing this out because alot of guys may ask, " A 4 weeker, why bother?"

A couple of months ago I was on a 4 week cycle at 200mg a week, but my routine got screwed up and I only completed 3 weeks of the cycle. I gained 3 pounds and kept it with no sides.

I'm going by L. Rea's CME vol. 1 only I'm doubling the doesage.

In the CME first year male examples Rea states,

"Since the dosage was low and the cycle was short, anti estrogens were not ulilizednor was there need for HPTA stimulating compounds post cycle."

My question is, since I'm only on a four weeker but I've doubled the dosage, will I need HPTA stimulating compounds.

I have clomid but I would rather use nolva but I havn't recived my nolva and I don't know if I'm gonna get it.

Do I need anti estrogens after only 4 weeks?
Also since deca is a slow acting aas and lingers in your system for a couple weeks, when would I administer the the anti estrogens? Do I use them right after my last injection or do I wait until a couple of weeks until the deca has cleared my system? Thanx bro's.

deca wont even kick in until your cycle is already over

 

[bw1]

deca wont even kick in until your cycle is already over

Eviction, Latamier...You are both correct...if 4 weeks of deca was all you are doing...Rea's first year cycle is 34 weeks long, with longer stronger cycles to follow the initial 4 week deca only part...We need to look at the whole cycle to judge it

 

[Muntch]

By the time you quit your cycle at 4 weeks you will just then be able to start to see some type of gains. You need to at least double the cycle length or save your time and money until you can afford to do so.

The 3 pounds that I gained I didn't gain until the two weeks after my last injection. Since I've already had some modest results doing it this way, the short cycles I mean, I've already made up my mind. Money is not really an issue I just don't want to waste it. I will probably go on longer cycles later just not right now.

I appreciate all of your guy's input, however my original question has remained unaddressed. Do I need any PCT after only 4 weeks.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

The 3 pounds that I gained I didn't gain until the two weeks after my last injection. Since I've already had some modest results doing it this way, the short cycles I mean, I've already made up my mind. Money is not really an issue I just don't want to waste it. I will probably go on longer cycles later just not right now.

I appreciate all of your guy's input, however my original question has remained unaddressed. Do I need any PCT after only 4 weeks.

Yes, you do need PCT... You were likely shut down after the second week. However, get your blood work done to see for sure.

 

[Smokescreen]

LMFAO!!! Not Nolva pappa! You need Dos bro!