3rd Time Rapist Should Be Castrated.

[curling]

I think it is bs for a man to overcome a woman and rape her. I mean heaven forbid somebody that does that to my wife because they are going to die a thousand deaths even if it means me going to jail. Anyway, I think 3 time rapist should be castrated so they will never rape again.

The reason I say "3" is to give them the benefit of the doubt in case it is some pycho girl that is pissed at boyfriend or just a complete loon and press charges when it was consensual sex.

Anyway what do ya'll think?

 

[BronzedGoddess]

I just think 3 time rapists should be sentensed to life in prison. Let the word get out about what they are convicted for and let them get raped for the rest of their sorry, pathetic lives. See how they like it!

This is only if the guy is saine, if not he needs mental help as difficult as that may be.

 

[danielson]

if he;s a 3rd time rapist any mental help he's had doesnt seem to be working.

i think a life time improsonment is appropriate.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I think he should have his dick cut off.

 

[curling]

I mean have ya'll heard that once castrated, a man will not rape again(no desire). I mean it could "fix" or rehabilitate him totally.

 

[manny78]

They should receive 1000 mg of Deca for 8 weeks non-stop along with 100 mg of Fina. Then no clomids. Believe me, they wouldn't someone for a while......

 

[huntmaster]

death penalty after one

 

[addickt]

death penalty after one

So you are going one the word of some potentially lying bitch to kill a bro? Good logic.

Also, did anyone see that California over-ruled some three strikes cases? They were sentencing people to life in prison with no possibility for parole for shit like SHOP-LIFTING! What the fuck is that? I thought it was for violent crimes only. You get life in prison for stealing a pack of gum? That is seriously fucked up.

 

[curling]

While I understand where huntmaster is coming from addict made a good point. You have to understand that some women do lie. I mean if it was like a brutal rape that was videoed(if not tampered with)tape then yea whack em. But otherwise no.

Also you have to remember hunt there is alot of whiney liberal democrats that believe bad people shouldn't be punished at all. That's why I think my plan could work. Because it gives him 3 chances and it doesn't take his life other than his sex life which he abused.

 

[addickt]

While I understand where huntmaster is coming from addict made a good point. You have to understand that some women do lie. I mean if it was like a brutal rape that was videoed(if not tampered with)tape then yea whack em. But otherwise no.

Also you have to remember hunt there is alot of whiney liberal democrats that believe bad people shouldn't be punished at all. That's why I think my plan could work. Because it gives him 3 chances and it doesn't take his life other than his sex life which he abused.

I agree, we are going a little overboard on some punishment. Life in prison for shoplifting? Fuck what would you get for getting caught with gear? There are a few good bros here that would be dead for sure.

Its too easy to say get rid of the criminals, lock em up , better yet kill em.

Cmon guys, thats the kind of shit that is gonna get us all in trouble or wear some fucking chips in our hands so the government can watch our every move. But it is for our own protection, dont buy into this shit....

Who here has never been a criminal, ever?

(I of course have not)

 

[Warik]

I think the problem here is not the fact that he is a 3rd time rapist. I think the problem here is the fact that he was roaming free to be a 2ND time rapist.

What on Earth is a convicted rapist doing out of prison... much less alive?

-Warik

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Rape is a horrible crime. While we're at it, should we cut the hands off of thieves, or the feet of those who escape prison?

There are places that do these things, such as Iraq, Algeria, Saufdi Arabia, etc. Perhaps you could move there, since American freedoms (including a fair trial and humane punishment) mean so little to all of you.

 

[Sushi X]

freedom for what matt? to continue raping, stealing, lying, hurting and so on? they have the right to a fair trial i give them that, but that's about it. what about the rights to those they hurt or is it now taboo for the victims to have rights?

 

[addickt]

Our country has scared us so much and made us to fear everything so they can strip away our freedom, imprison petty criminals for life and kill people for crimes they may not have even committed. So you guys can all "feel better' that we got rid of the BOOGIE MAN.

Wake up.

 

[curling]

You know matt, I usually agree with you but I don't on this one. I don't think someone should have their hand cut off for stealing. Because stealing doesn't violate someone like rape does to a woman. And what is "humane" about punching, kicking, choking and shoving their rapest thing in a woman against her will . They should be castrated and a murderer should be hanged. Period.

And I said 3 time rapist. If they did it three times, they have a sex problem and should not be allowed to harm another woman. Castrating will give them a perfectly normal life except for no sex. And I do think then the punishment fits the crime.

 

[Citruscide]

And I said 3 time rapist. If they did it three times, they have a sex problem and should not be allowed to harm another woman. Castrating will give them a perfectly normal life except for no sex. And I do think then the punishment fits the crime.

So, castration an no jail time?

There was a Texas case like this... a young man offered the court to be chemically castrated in return for no prison time. The judge wholeheartedly agreed... however, the "powers that be" stepped in and said that was HIGHLY unconstitutional and even if the rapist wishes to have the deal done, the judge cannot allow it.

There are some things that just go along with being in America. Sure, rape pisses me off just as much as it does you... if someone raped my girl or relative, I'd be out to kill them... but our system, as many faults as it has... works. It is what we have... and it is better than any other system in the world... I have to believe that.

C

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

And I said 3 time rapist. If they did it three times, they have a sex problem and should not be allowed to harm another woman. Castrating will give them a perfectly normal life except for no sex. And I do think then the punishment fits the crime.

Curling,

Rape is not about sex. It is about power. We are not addressing the issue with your proposed solution. It doesn't solve any problems. You're not providing a solution, just a punishment.

Has teh death penalty stopped homicides?

 

[addickt]

So, castration an no jail time?

There was a Texas case like this... a young man offered the court to be chemically castrated in return for no prison time. The judge wholeheartedly agreed... however, the "powers that be" stepped in and said that was HIGHLY unconstitutional and even if the rapist wishes to have the deal done, the judge cannot allow it.

There are some things that just go along with being in America. Sure, rape pisses me off just as much as it does you... if someone raped my girl or relative, I'd be out to kill them... but our system, as many faults as it has... works. It is what we have... and it is better than any other system in the world... I have to believe that.

C

Ok, our system works.... but we were putting shoplifters in prison for life? HMMMMMMMMMMM.... Maybe your definition of works is a little different than mine.

This whole "tuff on crime" bullshit works about as well as our war on drugs.

Its all rhetoric to scare everyone into giving up their rights, voluntarily.

I have no sympathy for rapists, I am referring to crime in general.

 

[addickt]

By the way---- What do you guys think we should do to 3 time convicted possesors of anabolics?

Just curious.

 

[dballer]

I wish the punishments for sex offenders was up to me....

suffer could not live up to what I have in mind.

 

[addickt]

I wish the punishments for sex offenders was up to me....

suffer could not live up to what I have in mind.

Ok, what punishment would you give for 23 year old woman who has vountary sex with a willing 16 year old boy? She is a sex offender.... Please tell me what you would have in mind.

 

[danielson]

Ok, what punishment would you give for 23 year old woman who has vountary sex with a willing 16 year old boy? She is a sex offender.... Please tell me what you would have in mind.

if she lived/resided in britain, you'd let her off with no conviction and then proceed to let her make hundreds of thousands from publicity

 

[Sushi X]

maybe we should bring back public hangings for convicted muderors. let their bodies hang for a few days so people can see what happends to them if they commit murder. our system is far to liberal. we focus too much on the criminal's rights and not enough on the victims or their families. a prisoner has the right to a fair trial and the right to decent confinement, no raping or beating him like a dog, just put him in and lock him or her up.

prisoners don't have the right to cable tv, video games, movies, swimming pools, sofas, king size beds, and so on. they get 3 meals a day, a place to sleep, showers, and recreation. they also need rehabilitation and skill training. but no club fed.

 

[addickt]

I think we should ask Winston Marcellous...

Who is Winston Marcellous?

How about we ask Marcellous Wallace?

 

[Frackal]

By the way---- What do you guys think we should do to 3 time convicted possesors of anabolics?

Just curious.

Give 'em a medal.

 

[dballer]

Ok, what punishment would you give for 23 year old woman who has vountary sex with a willing 16 year old boy? She is a sex offender.... Please tell me what you would have in mind.

Are you a convicted sex offender... I mean why are you trying to defend them?

 

[huntmaster]

So you are going one the word of some potentially lying bitch to kill a bro? Good logic.

addickt---a convicted rapist is no bro of mine.

 

[addickt]

I think Bill Clinton enacted the 3 strikes and your out rule.

As far as the boogeyman. Didn't the police return the little oriental fellow back to old Jeffery Daumers apt.

During the 50's we could sleep with our doors open. Now there is statistically speaking a new serial killer in every large city.

Crime is getting worse. No one believes in God and his laws anymore. Prisons are becoming over ridden, and let out earlier.

What is you solution?

Prisons are becoming over ridden because we imprison a larger percentage of our society than any other country in the WORLD. We also are the ONLY first world country to imprison people for drug use, and the ONLY first world country to have the death penalty.

Our prisons are full of people that dont REALLY need to be there. Shoplifters, pot smokers who get caught with possession, a little bit of coke...

Those people dont need prison. They need help. Then we let them all back out again for their TWO more strikes and then lock them up forever...

And we wonder why our prisons are so overcrowed. It doesnt take a fucking rocket scientist to figure it out...

Our government gets this shit passed by scaring the shit out of people.... OH ANTHRAX.............. We better change all the fucking postal procedures because a handful of people got the shit...

More children hang themselves accidentally from blinds in one month than have died from anthrax..

Why dont we outlaw blinds? We probably will if people dont wake the fuck up and see that it is all scare tactics to get your money and take away your freedoms...

 

[addickt]

addickt---a convicted rapist is no bro of mine.

If you think every guy who is in prison for rape actually committed it, you are wrong.....

Rape is a very easy crime to lie about and women often have good reason to do so...

So get off your high horse..

 

[addickt]

Give 'em a medal.

I agree, but people outside of our CIRCLE might think that they should receive life.....

My point is that it is too easy to ostrasize ( spelling) a group when you dont know all the details...

 

[addickt]

Are you a convicted sex offender... I mean why are you trying to defend them?

No I am not a sex offender and I am not sticking up for them in general. I am simply saying that all inclusive punishments and ridiculous punishments only give out government more power to take away our rights , for the good of Humanity..

Anyone see where the government is starting to say " you support terrorism" if you buy drugs?

Fuck, i hope none of you guys have ever bought KARACHI sust...

You might go to prison for life for supporing a terrorist state.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

maybe we should bring back public hangings for convicted muderors.

prisoners don't have the right to cable tv, video games, movies, swimming pools, sofas, king size beds, and so on. they get 3 meals a day, a place to sleep, showers, and recreation. they also need rehabilitation and skill training. but no club fed.

Yeah, public hangings really stopped homicide 100 years ago, didn't it?


I am not exactly sure what prison you are referring to....

 

[huntmaster]

If you think every guy who is in prison for rape actually committed it, you are wrong.....

Rape is a very easy crime to lie about and women often have good reason to do so...

So get off your high horse..

A legal system that forms and enforces laws based on your statement is shaky at best.

Laws are enforced to punish the unjust.

 

[addickt]

Yeah, public hangings really stopped homicide 100 years ago, didn't it?


I am not exactly sure what prison you are referring to....

Me either Matt... that is just some more MEDIA BULLSHIT...
PRISONERS dont have king sized beds and swimming pools...

Sushi- that is some stupid shit.. But the Media/government told you so it must be true huh?

And yes, that is a great idea to hang people... You are a true revolutionary mind... Thank god for genius forward thinkers such as yourself...

Maybe we should have the hangings right in the prisons right between the Lobster Dinner and the Night ime conjugal visits that they all receive from Playboy Bunnies...

Then we could scare all the prisoners and ruin their dinner all at once!

 

[Engine9]

We also are the ONLY first world country to imprison people for drug use

I know that Australia (possibly others, I don't feel like looking) also puts people in prison for personal use and possesion, they also imprison for trafficing and growing. Although it is very rare and the numbers are very small compaired to ours, they still do it.

I do agree that drug sentences are out of control.

 

[addickt]

I know that Australia (possibly others, I don't feel like looking) also puts people in prison for personal use and possesion, they also imprison for trafficing and growing. Although it is very rare and the numbers are very small compaired to ours, they still do it.

I do agree that drug sentences are out of control.

I dont know if that is true or not, BUT if it is, it is VERY RARE.

We do it hundreds of times a day.

 

[Engine9]

Yeah it is. Where as we do it 100s of times a day, they do it about 100 times a year.


http://www.aic.gov.au/research/drugs/crime/prisoners/sentencedpris.html

 

[addickt]

I dont know if that is true or not, BUT if it is, it is VERY RARE.

We do it hundreds of times a day. [/QUOT

If you can't do the time-don't do the crime.

Barretta

Ok, now that is the dumbest quote I have ever heard. PERIOD. HAve you ever committed a crime? Any crime? If we punished everyone for every crime we would all be in jail.. Even you.

 

[addickt]

I don't care what anybody says. If your wife or mother -got raped retribution would be the first thing on everyones mind.

Across the board.

You are right, it would be.... But even worse, if my father was convicted of a rape he didnt commit.... Or thrown in jail for years for simple possession of drugs, retribution would be on my mind even more. We punish too many people for too much shit. Mostly bullshit.. Rape is fucked up, not trying to condone it, I am speaking of crime in general.

 

[addickt]

Look man, we all know where you are coming from. There are way too many controversial laws. Rape is a very controversial subject. I think everyones point here is-it happens way to much and something needs to done.

What happens way too much? Rape? You can apply that argument for every law in the world and use it as an excuse to take away our freedoms.... WHICH is ecatly what is being done now....

Too much terrorism , something needs to be done... lets all get fucking microchips in out hands so the government can track where we are and waht we have done for every second of our lives. It would help eliminate crime wouldnt it? And then lets just send out a signal in the chip to kill the person. No trial.......... nothing. Cool?

 

[Warik]

Has teh death penalty stopped homicides?

Yes, it has.

Has Timothy McVeigh killed anyone after his execution?

-Warik

 

[Warik]

By the way---- What do you guys think we should do to 3 time convicted possesors of anabolics?

Just curious.

The use of anabolics should not be a crime; therefore, the only punishment should be some free needles.

-Warik

 

[addickt]

The use of anabolics should not be a crime; therefore, the only punishment should be some free needles.

-Warik

I agree, but do you think that most "average" voters, or a jury of your peers would agree?


Also, that Timothy Mcveigh argument is really dumb.. Dont even think I need to elaborate.

 

[Sushi X]

addick, what is your problem man? you've got something that's eating you up. the racial threads and this crap here.

no the government did not tell me jack, i know no prisons have king size beds and pools. i was making a statement about how liberals tend to want prisoners treated. it's like they want then babied and given the royal treatment.

matt, what kind of treatment or punishment do you want for prisoners?

 

[addickt]

addick, what is your problem man? you've got something that's eating you up. the racial threads and this crap here.

no the government did not tell me jack, i know no prisons have king size beds and pools. i was making a statement about how liberals tend to want prisoners treated. it's like they want then babied and given the royal treatment.

matt, what kind of treatment or punishment do you want for prisoners?

The shit wasnt racial. Lighten up. We were all playing around. But as far as your argument on this thread. It is stupid and you are a poopy pants.

 

[Sushi X]

my argument is not stupid and you are a peepee head.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Yes, it has.

Has Timothy McVeigh killed anyone after his execution?

-Warik

No. But other people have. So what is the advantage over imprisoning McVeigh for the rest of his life? Life in jail is cheaper than implementing the DP anyway.

The DP doesn't deter shit.

Its real value is to get accused criminals to confess to their crime in exchange for it being taken "off the table".

 

[Warik]

I agree, but do you think that most "average" voters, or a jury of your peers would agree?

I'm speaking "should" in the moral sense, not the legal sense.

Also, that Timothy Mcveigh argument is really dumb.. Dont even think I need to elaborate.

Then replace his name with the name of any murderer. Has any executed murderer ever murdererd again?

No.

-Warik

 

[addickt]

I'm speaking "should" in the moral sense, not the legal sense.



Then replace his name with the name of any murderer. Has any executed murderer ever murdererd again?

No.

-Warik

Please see Matts retorts above as they are both true and applicable.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Has any executed murderer ever murdererd again?



-Warik

No. Not even once. But until it stops the next guy from committing homicide, the DP isn;t working.

 

[addickt]

I'm speaking "should" in the moral sense, not the legal sense.



Then replace his name with the name of any murderer. Has any executed murderer ever murdererd again?

No.

-Warik

We could also make juice dealers stop dealing forver by executing them. They would never deal again, but unfortunately ( or fortunatley) that doesnt stop the crime itself. Just the individual.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

matt, what kind of treatment or punishment do you want for prisoners?

It depends on the crime. Homicide/murderers should never get out. First degree murderers should get death, if there were absolute certainty of their guilt.

Less vicious people/,medium security, etc....I'd really like to see them get another chance. Maybe there could be sopmething whereby after they served half their sentences, they could get into some actual quasi-rehab programs where they can be educated and get a chance to make soemthing of themselves. If you are doing 7 years for armed robbery, your life is basically over. Should it be? I mean, yeah, you fucked up, fucked up big, but nothing in life (except murder) should be "one and done". And no matter what you hear, if you do 7 years, you don't have a chance in this world. No wonder you go back to crime??

So given our armed robber above, I'd like to see - after 4 years - some effort at education/rehab, etc. Show the prisoner that we do give a fuck if he/she makes a change. Of course, disqualify them for lousy inmate behavior....then if they fuck up again, be harsher on them.

Nonviolent crimianls and drug offenders: I'd like to see them freed today.

While you;re in there, the time should be hard, but 7 years for one armed robbery? it isn;t right.

 

[Warik]

We could also make juice dealers stop dealing forver by executing them. They would never deal again, but unfortunately ( or fortunatley) that doesnt stop the crime itself. Just the individual.

Juicing should not be a crime, murder should be.

Try again.

-Warik

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I'm speaking "should" in the moral sense, not the legal sense.

The topic seems to be (loosely) the justice system.

As such, you;ve gotta stay in context. Morality has no place in the courtroom.

 

[Warik]

No. Not even once. But until it stops the next guy from committing homicide, the DP isn;t working.

So because the DP isn't "working," it should be abolished?

I could just as easily argue that prison itself doesn't work because we've had prisoners for centuries and will have more for centuries to come. Perhaps we should abolish prison time as well?

Of course not. That's ridiculous.

Neither the death penalty nor prison time are supposed to "deter" people from committing crimes. Being put to death is a response in the form of the ultimate end of an evil life that has committed murder. Put him in jail and let him out, and he'll do it again. Even thieves - steal something, go to jail, get out in a few years, do it again. Let's not put anyone in jail now since jail obviously doesn't work!

The real point of jail is to correct the INDIVIDUAL who committed the crime, not the GROUP that might commit the crime.

-Warik

 

[spongebob]

my .02,

rape = life
murder = life
pediophile(can not be rehabilitated) = life
drug dealer = too tough to call, tobacco and alcohol is sold legally

drug user = rehab, no prison unless there was a crime committed(like robbing someone, unless he robbed a drug dealer)

steroids = should be available at your local drugstore.

 

[danielson]

so by that rationale, how is sticking someone in prison for life any different to the death penalty in terms of how it affects the comunities saftey?

other than it being cheaper for he tax payer to keep him alive

 

[spongebob]

No. But other people have. So what is the advantage over imprisoning McVeigh for the rest of his life? Life in jail is cheaper than implementing the DP anyway.

Its real value is to get accused criminals to confess to their crime in exchange for it being taken "off the table".

thats right, people will continue to commit murder. its something that you will never change, so lets work on the real problem at hand. we need to make it cheaper to admin. the death penalty, thats something we can accomplish.

p.s. good point about the confession thing.

 

[gymtime]

Sean Connery: "I'll take The Rapists for 600 Alex."

Alex Trebeck (irritated): "No, no, that's 'Therapists'......'Therapists' Mr. Connery."

 

[Lao Tzu]

By the way---- What do you guys think we should do to 3 time convicted possesors of anabolics?

Just curious.

sadly, in alot of states a 3rd conviction gets you labeled a 'habitual substance abuser' and carries the same penalty as maiming someone.

 

[Warik]

so by that rationale, how is sticking someone in prison for life any different to the death penalty in terms of how it affects the comunities saftey?

Well, suppose you rob a gas station using a gun. You're an obvious threat to society, so you are thrown in prison. You didn't hurt or kill anyone, so we're not going to stick you in there for life or execute you. Maybe in 5-10 years, you'll learn your lesson and behave. But murder? Could someone in that state of mind really be rehabilitated? Perhaps, but we can't risk innocent lives in that manner. Cook 'em or lock 'em away.

-Warik

 

[Island Son]

whether or not the death penalty stops ALL people from committing murder is a false argument. Whether or not the murder rate would be higher without it is unprovable, but seems likely. Moving along the continuum of that argument, by small degrees all crime would become unpunishable, even by jail time.

 

[danielson]

Well, suppose you rob a gas station using a gun. You're an obvious threat to society, so you are thrown in prison. You didn't hurt or kill anyone, so we're not going to stick you in there for life or execute you. Maybe in 5-10 years, you'll learn your lesson and behave. But murder? Could someone in that state of mind really be rehabilitated? Perhaps, but we can't risk innocent lives in that manner. Cook 'em or lock 'em away.

-Warik

agreed depending on the conviction....1st or second degree murder certainly, manslaughter should have commuted jail time

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I could just as easily argue that prison itself doesn't work because we've had prisoners for centuries and will have more for centuries to come. Perhaps we should abolish prison time as well?

Of course not. That's ridiculous.

Neither the death penalty nor prison time are supposed to "deter" people from committing crimes. Being put to death is a response in the form of the ultimate end of an evil life that has committed murder. Put him in jail and let him out, and he'll do it again. Even thieves - steal something, go to jail, get out in a few years, do it again. Let's not put anyone in jail now since jail obviously doesn't work!

The real point of jail is to correct the INDIVIDUAL who committed the crime, not the GROUP that might commit the crime.

-Warik

By using the word "correct" in your last sentence, you are contradicting everything you said above, about punishment.

Are we using prison to "correct" criminals, or to punish them and separate them from society?

Which is it? You can't have both.

 

[addickt]

sadly, in alot of states a 3rd conviction gets you labeled a 'habitual substance abuser' and carries the same penalty as maiming someone.

Exactly, and that is the point that I am trying to illustrate. Under California law for example, you could be sentenced to LIFE without parole for gettng caught with a few vials.....

Yet people insist that we need to get tougher on crime and lock away all the damn criminals, it is all fucked up. The government tries to alienate smal groups at a time so the rest of the country can throw their stones at that bad "group" then they move on to another.

People need to wake up for real.

 

[curling]

I think matt's job training is a very good idea. Most criminals keep being criminals when they get out because they can't do anything else or nobody will hire them. So I think the media should change people on that.

I still think not only 3rd time rapist should be castrated but pedifiles as well. Those dudes are just sick they don't deserve to have balls. I also think the death penalty should be cheaper to carry out. 20 appeals is ridiculous 3 (from different courts) should be plenty.

I don't think the death penalty should be enforced for crimes of passion(like a dude killing his ole lady for cheat'n on him. He should just get prison he is going to have to live with that which isn't easy I am sure.

 

[addickt]

I think matt's job training is a very good idea. Most criminals keep being criminals when they get out because they can't do anything else or nobody will hire them. So I think the media should change people on that.

I still think not only 3rd time rapist should be castrated but pedifiles as well. Those dudes are just sick they don't deserve to have balls. I also think the death penalty should be cheaper to carry out. 20 appeals is ridiculous 3 (from different courts) should be plenty.

I don't think the death penalty should be enforced for crimes of passion(like a dude killing his ole lady for cheat'n on him. He should just get prison he is going to have to live with that which isn't easy I am sure.

Here rela easy for everyone.....

the Death penalty............ stupid, expensive ineffcetive for detering crime.

Drug laws...... ridiculous, imprisoning USERS for life in many cases, NOW THAT IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY! But you never hear that argument huh?, ineffective and invasive in many cases.

3 strikes rule...... to all inclusive, sunjectivity needs to be afforded. There are cases where we have imprisoned SHOPLIFTERS FOR LIFE. And still are. You never hear about these guys though, it is always the murderers or rapists.

In essence we imprison a large percentage if our public than ANY COUNTRY in the WORLD. bet you didnt know that huh? IS that because Americans are inherently evil?.............. OR could it possibly be BECAUSE OUR LAWS ARE FUCKED!?

Tough on crime is bunch of shot, like our war on drugs and waht our war on terrorism is going to/ is becoming... Stop giving the government all the power to run our lives and imprison our citizens for stupid shit because you are paranoid from their propaganda....

 

[Warik]

By using the word "correct" in your last sentence, you are contradicting everything you said above, about punishment.

Are we using prison to "correct" criminals, or to punish them and separate them from society?

Which is it? You can't have both.

I can't have both? Why not?

Did you ever misbehave as a boy, Matt? Did your mommy ever spank you and lock you in your room until dinner time?

Were you punished? Yes.
Were you separated from everyone else? Yes.
Did you learn that misbehaving again is probably not a good idea? Yes.

What is a criminal, anyway? Just a big baby who needs some discipline.

-Warik

 

[Testoterone Tom]

I definatly DON'T like the life in prison idea for anybody. After awhile, the body and psychy will adapt. They really DO get used to it. From being told what to do all the time, to being beat-up all the time, playing the in-prison politics for respect, hell, even even being Buba's girl a couple a times a week. And the lifers move up, in a twisted chain-of-command. They get more connected, bring in stuff from the outside, and destroy the rehab process at the source. I'm not trying to get anyone off on a rant about prison system corruption, but if the rapist won't stop raping, then his tools of destruction HAVE GOT TO GO. I don't want any of my tax money giving him any pleasures of a free man. And I'd bet the raped don't want to pay for it either.

 

[addickt]

I can't have both? Why not?

Did you ever misbehave as a boy, Matt? Did your mommy ever spank you and lock you in your room until dinner time?

Were you punished? Yes.
Were you separated from everyone else? Yes.
Did you learn that misbehaving again is probably not a good idea? Yes.

What is a criminal, anyway? Just a big baby who needs some discipline.

-Warik

Warik-- then I guess you need to be locked up to guy.... You dont get to pick and choose what laws you like because you dont agree with them... I guess by the LAW that you so vehemnetly love.. YOUR ass hould be locked up..... And if you have broken more than 3 laws......... for life...

so get off you high horse... Its assholes like you that think they are somehow "not criminals" because they dont agree with the laws they are beaking that are going to get us all inplanted with microchips, ( see thread above). For that is the only true way we will be able to catch most crime and punish those horrible criminals accordingly.

 

[Warik]

I guess by the LAW that you so vehemnetly love.. YOUR ass hould be locked up

Based on what? Why don't you illustrate my crime?

..... And if you have broken more than 3 laws......... for life...

I think the 3 strikes rule is ridiculous and unintelligent - not to mention irresponsible when it comes to little crimes. Why don't you try reading my words before putting some in my mouth? Damn... where's RyanH so that I might actually have an intelligent argument?

so get off you high horse... Its assholes like you that think they are somehow "not criminals" because they dont agree with the laws they are beaking

If you're referring to anabolics, which I don't use, you've further proven your ignorance. You can also refer to recreational drugs if you wish. I don't use those either, and you'd be considered equally ignorant.

I don't take a "high horse" stand about it. I don't think ANYONE, not just myself, should be imprisoned or even inconvenienced about trivial shit such as AS use and driving fast. Victimless crimes should not be crimes - period.

that are going to get us all inplanted with microchips, ( see thread above). For that is the only true way we will be able to catch most crime and punish those horrible criminals accordingly.

I'd die before I knowingly allow someone to stick a freedom-infringing microchip into my body - so should you.

-Warik

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I think matt's job training is a very good idea. Most criminals keep being criminals when they get out because they can't do anything else or nobody will hire them. So I think the media should change people on that.

The thing is, it can't be across the board and it can;t be arbitrary. People actually have to demonstrate that they give a shit - i.e. finish half their sentences without incident, desire to progress, etc.

It;s not just "showing people how to use a computer". There actualy hsa to be some interest in this. It can't be the same tired approach of using civil servants.

As nice as it sounds, it just isn;t something our government can provide.

 

[addickt]

Based on what? Why don't you illustrate my crime?



I think the 3 strikes rule is ridiculous and unintelligent - not to mention irresponsible when it comes to little crimes. Why don't you try reading my words before putting some in my mouth? Damn... where's RyanH so that I might actually have an intelligent argument?



If you're referring to anabolics, which I don't use, you've further proven your ignorance. You can also refer to recreational drugs if you wish. I don't use those either, and you'd be considered equally ignorant.

I don't take a "high horse" stand about it. I don't think ANYONE, not just myself, should be imprisoned or even inconvenienced about trivial shit such as AS use and driving fast. Victimless crimes should not be crimes - period.



I'd die before I knowingly allow someone to stick a freedom-infringing microchip into my body - so should you.

-Warik

I am goingto go out on a limb here and say that you have broken 3 laws in your life. Life for you, no parole...

Also, I would die before I would let them put a microchip in me as well. But it could just come to that.. Or they could just start with babies now... It is so s,all that you wouldnt even know it was there, they can do it with a syringe!

Believe it or not, it is your sensationalist, tough on crime attitudes and overall belief in government bullshit.. You arent safe, let us protect you, blah, blah , blah that will get this type of shit passed.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

What is a criminal, anyway? Just a big baby who needs some discipline.

-Warik

As long as you think that, you really don't have perspective on the issue. Comparing a misbehaving child to a criminal is foolish.

This is the kind of thinking that leads to mandatory sentencing laws.

 

[curling]

The thing is, it can't be across the board and it can;t be arbitrary. People actually have to demonstrate that they give a shit - i.e. finish half their sentences without incident, desire to progress, etc.

It;s not just "showing people how to use a computer". There actualy hsa to be some interest in this. It can't be the same tired approach of using civil servants.

As nice as it sounds, it just isn;t something our government can provide.

I agree I think it(the less violent criminals) should be taken out of the hands of the govt and put into Christian ministries. Their success rate of turning people around is SO MUCH HIGHER than the gov't prison system. They(churches) could also help with rehab.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I agree I think it(the less violent criminals) should be taken out of the hands of the govt and put into Christian ministries. Their success rate of turning people around is SO MUCH HIGHER than the gov't prison system. They(churches) could also help with rehab.

There are a lot of potential sources for help other than the government. Anyone who wants to help should be able to. All of this country's problems require people to get involved for them to be solved.

The government can't do it. The fed has a 2.1 trillion dollar budget: $2,100,000,000,000.00 Yet in a year, the money will be spent, and nothing will have changed.