3 month Bio-identical Test program to help recovery after shut down...LEGIT ???

[MADBALL99]

As some of you know I was shut down hard by 2 cycles of Deca and a botched PCT consisting of 10 days of HCG....and nothing else. My l;ast Deca shot was Dec.23 and 10 HCG only was started 2 weeks after......Lost libido and a blood test showed Test count of 108 w/ low LH and FSH. I'm having more blood work done in 2 weeks but now I feel very lethargic, slow, and depressed...If things look bad from the 2nd blood work test I'm considering trying to bring my own test back w/ HCG and Clomid.....



However I've found a life extension clinic online that claims to specialize in TRT that brings people's own test back, not just the lifelong treatments everyone else is selling. They work in conjunction w/ doctors and clinics in your local area. They are known as Modern Therapy. You guys can visit them online at www.moderntherapy.com.

I'm just trying to verify if these guys are legit and reputable and if their program seems realistic. Basically their program is as follows. They provide a bio-identical Test gel that is applied Mon-Sun for 3 months. Supposedly this helps you feel better and elevate you test (hopefully) to at least the 500-600 range. (Wouldn't this futher shut me down though ??)

Two weeks after that you begin HCG therapy EOD at 1000 units at a time (for 10 days) for a total of 1000 units. Clomid then may or may not be added (but I should probably request it). They also supply Teslax which is like Armidex I believe , but milder.They claim to have a decent success rate w/ anabolic users The program costs $595 if you bring in your own bloodwork, $795 otherwise.


What do you guys think of this whole deal ? Does it look legit to you ? Does anyone have any info on these guys ? Do you believe that's it's a mistake to introduce this bio-identical gel into the body (further shutting me down) ? Should I just give my body more time to see what happens or should I just run my own HCG/ Clomid therapy ?? ANY info, help, advice or resources would be VERY appreciated. Thankyou.

 

[MADBALL99]

Just found a place in Boca Raton , FL that has a similar program. They run HCG every day for 10 days 1000 units total) andClomid for 4-6 weeks. Total cost $300......$400 for 200MG a week (for 10 weeks) of Androgel included in the therapy. What do you guys think ?

 

[Maetenloch]

I think it's likely that their program can help you. Of course you can do the same thing on your own and probably get the same results. Using the test gel will inhibit you and prolong your ultimate recovery, but you will feel better in the meantime.

One thing you can do is basically run another PCT - say with 2 weeks of HCG and them 6 to 8 weeks of clomid/nolvadex with an AI. I've seen studies showing this protocol can restore test levels in hypogonadal men. For sexual functioning you can also add in proviron. At moderate dosages, it's not suppressive.

 

[Apexx]

As some of you know I was shut down hard by 2 cycles of Deca and a botched PCT consisting of 10 days of HCG....and nothing else. My l;ast Deca shot was Dec.23 and 10 HCG only was started 2 weeks after......Lost libido and a blood test showed Test count of 108 w/ low LH and FSH. I'm having more blood work done in 2 weeks but now I feel very lethargic, slow, and depressed...If things look bad from the 2nd blood work test I'm considering trying to bring my own test back w/ HCG and Clomid.....



However I've found a life extension clinic online that claims to specialize in TRT that brings people's own test back, not just the lifelong treatments everyone else is selling. They work in conjunction w/ doctors and clinics in your local area. They are known as Modern Therapy. You guys can visit them online at www.moderntherapy.com.

I'm just trying to verify if these guys are legit and reputable and if their program seems realistic. Basically their program is as follows. They provide a bio-identical Test gel that is applied Mon-Sun for 3 months. Supposedly this helps you feel better and elevate you test (hopefully) to at least the 500-600 range. (Wouldn't this futher shut me down though ??)

Two weeks after that you begin HCG therapy EOD at 1000 units at a time (for 10 days) for a total of 1000 units. Clomid then may or may not be added (but I should probably request it). They also supply Teslax which is like Armidex I believe , but milder.They claim to have a decent success rate w/ anabolic users The program costs $595 if you bring in your own bloodwork, $795 otherwise.


What do you guys think of this whole deal ? Does it look legit to you ? Does anyone have any info on these guys ? Do you believe that's it's a mistake to introduce this bio-identical gel into the body (further shutting me down) ? Should I just give my body more time to see what happens or should I just run my own HCG/ Clomid therapy ?? ANY info, help, advice or resources would be VERY appreciated. Thankyou.

Never heard of them, but that doesn't mean it couldn't work. I would suggest just running another pct like someone else suggested....MUCH CHEAPER.

As far as their method causing further suppression, I'm sure they are talking about raising ur level to 600 ng/dl, not mg's. This would put u pretty much in the middle of the spectrum, which wouldn't shut u down.

 

[MADBALL99]

That brings up a question aboutbthe HCG therapy itself. One place wants to run HCG EOD for 100 units a day for a total of 1000units (20 day therapy......The other place suggests a HCG every day (100 units) for a total of 10 days. This differs from the other PCT protocols I've seen on these boards that suggest 3-5 days in between HCG shots for a longer period. What do you guys think of this and would it be likely to cause LH desentization or not work at all ?

 

[Maetenloch]

That brings up a question aboutbthe HCG therapy itself. One place wants to run HCG EOD for 100 units a day for a total of 1000units (20 day therapy......The other place suggests a HCG every day (100 units) for a total of 10 days. This differs from the other PCT protocols I've seen on these boards that suggest 3-5 days in between HCG shots for a longer period. What do you guys think of this and would it be likely to cause LH desentization or not work at all ?

There's a lot of controversy about what is the best HCG therapy. Personally I run 1000iu/week (split over MWF) during the entire cycle. Others run it for just 2 weeks at a higher dose after the last injection. SWALE recommends up to 1500iu/week for men on HRT or on cycle. So I would think that anything up to that amount is probably safe to use.

 

[MADBALL99]

So I guess a good question would be where all these people get these doses and timing from ? Is it arbitrary ? Where's the science behind this or is it just hit or miss ?

 

[Maetenloch]

So I guess a good question would be where all these people get these doses and timing from ? Is it arbitrary ? Where's the science behind this or is it just hit or miss ?

I based my 1000iu/week dose off the results of this study:
http://dspace.hsl.washington.edu/dspace/bitstream/2012/52/1/JCEM_2005_Low_Dose_Human.pdf