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Wasn't it you who suggested to me to use clomid to help retain gains after cycle end and got all kinds of crap about that idea?

Cause I have been reading some posts now that suggest taking clomid post cycle to retain gains.
 
WTF?????
This shit was talked about back when i joined this board years ago!!!!I thought Clomid was always used to help keep gains!!!!
 
LOL well chesty and 2thick have been here for a looooooong time
 
Recently clomid has been getting a lot of negative "publicity" due
to the fact that it can damage eyesight..
 
I havent' heard that one on clomid and eye sight.

Where is 2thick?
 
chesty said:
I havent' heard that one on clomid and eye sight.

Where is 2thick?

Many people complain about vision problems when using clomid post cycle.

I think 2T may be outta town.
 
It's been recommended at least as far back as Dan Duchaine and the Underground Steroid Bible, so you are going back at least 20 years. The only things new are the anti-aromatase drugs (Arimidex, Femara, Aromasin) that were not on the market until recently. hGH (recombinant) and Clen go back more than 10 years. Youngsters!
 
Yes,clomid is used to restore one's endogenous production of GnRH,L/H,and testosterone.It does so by blocking off estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus and pituitary.The illusion of low E causes the glands to churn out more of their respected catalystic hormones in to raise the testosterone levels high enough to induce aromitase into bringing the estrogen populations back into homeostatic(normal)levels.
 
wouldn't post cycle problems be solved if it could possibly be figured out how to keep natural test levels WHILE juicing??? with all the meds, there must be a way
 
magman1 said:
wouldn't post cycle problems be solved if it could possibly be figured out how to keep natural test levels WHILE juicing??? with all the meds, there must be a way

Not really,as all steroids possess some ANDROGENIC tendencies and influence on natural hormonal balance,and androgen excess will create inhibition as well.One easier way to recover though is to use the highly anabolic,low androgenic profiled steroids(Primo and var come to mind)or to run an anti-aromitase such as liquidex or femara DURING cycle,so that you're mostly being inhibited through androgenic pathways instead of both androgenic/estrogenic pathways.Recovery is definitely faster for most post cycle.
 
I use it throughout my cycle. Seems to help quite a bit. Like I said I thought it was clomid he was talking about about 3 years ago, of course I was also using Nolvadex and proviron as well.
 
Here´s some recent and SPECIFIC evidence, although is only 1 subject.Use of clomiphene citrate to reverse premature andropause secondary to steroid abuse.

Tan RS, Vasudevan D.

Department of Family and Community Medicine, University of Texas Health Sciences Center, Houston, Texas 77030, USA. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: To report a case of symptomatic hypogonadism induced by the abuse of multiple steroid preparations that was subsequently reversed by clomiphene. DESIGN: Case report. SETTING: University-affiliated andrology practice within family practice clinic. PATIENT(S): A 30-year-old male. INTERVENTION(S): Clomiphene citrate, 100-mg challenge for 5 days, followed by treatment at same dose for 2 months. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S): Clinical symptoms, androgen decline in aging male questionnaire, total T, FSH, LH. RESULT(S): Reversal of symptoms, normalization of T levels with LH surge, restoration of pituitary-gonadal axis. CONCLUSION(S): Clomiphene citrate is used typically in helping to restore fertility in females. This represents the first case report of the successful use of clomiphene to restore T levels and the pituitary-gonadal axis in a male patient. The axis was previously shut off with multiple anabolic steroid abuse.
 
Nelson was pretty much the only person who was against using clomid post cycle.
 
It seems as though this board is getting more intelligent and better informed. I like how it has progressed since I first started hanging out here.
 
chesty said:
It seems as though this board is getting more intelligent and better informed. I like how it has progressed since I first started hanging out here.


This is why I only have 200 some odd posts in almost three years....because on threads like this...I don't have all expertise to warrant an educated response.....so I sit back and read....and soak things up like a sponge...:D ...lately I have fallen prey to responding to the infintile posts ie: who's tougher or talk of the feds.....for this I am sorry...:( jeez sounds like I may have had too much clomid....hmmmm.....anyway...thanks to Huck and all the other Elite crew who keep this board an educational place to hang out....:D
 
Amen to that. Yeah, I think I get all emotional on a cycle with all that damned test increasing my estrogen levels. I get so moody and cranky at the end of the month. :)
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Yes,clomid is used to restore one's endogenous production of GnRH,L/H,and testosterone.It does so by blocking off estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus and pituitary.The illusion of low E causes the glands to churn out more of their respected catalystic hormones in to raise the testosterone levels high enough to induce aromitase into bringing the estrogen populations back into homeostatic(normal)levels.

Exactly what Huck said.

Yes, clomid, proviron and 2 weeks of clen is the best option.
 
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