2nd cycle help, steroids in a sachet

[Petay Pan]

Ok I'm risking getting flamed here because I know people don't like noobs asking questions but I thought that's what this forum was for...

Anyways I've got a dbol only cycle under my belt (I know it's ill advised, just didn't wanna take the plunge with injectables) but now I've learned that it's the only way forward. I want to gain mass, I know how everyone scoffs at the 'lean bulk' concept but I eat well and have an easy time keeping lean, it's the muscle building I have trouble with.

I'm nearly 20, 6ft tall, weigh 200lbs and I'm around 15% bodyfat. I've done loads of research on different compounds and came out with this stack:

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 30mg ed
Weeks 1-8 Sust 250 ew
Weeks 1-10 EQ 400 ew

I wanted a test in there, but didn't know whether to go for a fast or slow releasing ester so I split the difference and chose sust. EQ has very attractive qualities like higher RBC count and increased appetite, I'd rather take this over deca or any other bulk steroid. I bought 500 dbol (regretting that now...damn shin/calf pumps) so want get my money's worth so they're in the cycle to kick start.

Firstly, I'd like opinions on the dosages, I've kept them moderate so any input would be great. please take into consideration that I only have a dbol cycle to my name so far.

Secondly, I priced it all up and it is much cheaper if I bought them in sachets. Does anyone have experience with these? I was going to draw all the fluid into syringes and put a stopper on them so I don't have to waste any juice. I dont want to have to buy vials and all that stuff, I'd rather use the syringes that I'll get when I buy it all off the website.

Thanks guys, I'd appreciate ANY help, please don't flame, I'm just a guy who needs some help

 

[big_boy_1]

You have to inject all the satchet at once, or throw the rest away.

It will get contaminated with bacteria when transfering to a vial, no matter how sterile is everything: there are lots of bacteria in the air.

Positively: No sources here bro.

 

[acneman]

you edit
i edit
but you need to read
and read some more before postin
read all the stickys and read all the
im new and need advice
threads to save yourself some serious grief

 

[theprofessor]

edit your post
i suggest you use the new url above
in before ban/delete

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to acneman again.

 

[acneman]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to acneman again.

hehe mine too prof
glad you got here in time

 

[BigGunsInc.]

As well as researching cycles and what not, you should have also researched the rules of the board. You will get nowhere posting questions about sources on here. There is a VERY specific way of doing that. As far as the cycle goes, the next best thing you can do other than waiting 5 or 6 years and training hard and eating right, you could run 500 mg's of enanthate or sus per week and work your way up from there. Your first cycle of test you should grow just fine... No need to complicate it with 3 or 4 off the rip. If you insist on that, i reccomend upping the test...

BGI

 

[Petay Pan]

As well as researching cycles and what not, you should have also researched the rules of the board. You will get nowhere posting questions about sources on here. There is a VERY specific way of doing that. As far as the cycle goes, the next best thing you can do other than waiting 5 or 6 years and training hard and eating right, you could run 500 mg's of enanthate or sus per week and work your way up from there. Your first cycle of test you should grow just fine... No need to complicate it with 3 or 4 off the rip. If you insist on that, i reccomend upping the test...

BGI

Thanks, yeah sorry I should have read the newbie rules *sorry guys*. All edited away though. Thanks for the input. I know I'm too young to be honest, but I'm just too damn impatient. Do you think sust and dbol would be good? (gotta have the dbol lol, got loads of it!!).

I figured using a combo of those three in lower dosages would be more beneficial (i.e. strength gains from sust, bulk from dbol, appetite & endurance from EQ) rather than a higher dose of a single compound

 

[bighippie11]

not too bad bro but i think the dosage is a little low myself. i'd try something like this:
sus 500mg/wk 1-10
eq 400mg/wk 1-12 (ester is too long to only run 10 wks)
dbol 30mg/ed 1-4

and obviously bigboy1 doesn't know much about sachets. you definately cannot inject it all at once. that would be 1g of eq at once and 1250mg of sus. that's dumb. if you read up on the satchets you'll find that you are supposed to draw it all into a syringe so try to get a 5ml syringe at least. just sterilize the outside of the sachet like you would the injection site. and don't forget bro, the most important thing is diet.
what's your pct look like

 

[Twoguns]

You have to inject all the satchet at once, or throw the rest away.QUOTE]


NO!

 

[Petay Pan]

not too bad bro but i think the dosage is a little low myself. i'd try something like this:
sus 500mg/wk 1-10
eq 400mg/wk 1-12 (ester is too long to only run 10 wks)
dbol 30mg/ed 1-4

and obviously bigboy1 doesn't know much about sachets. you definately cannot inject it all at once. that would be 1g of eq at once and 1250mg of sus. that's dumb. if you read up on the satchets you'll find that you are supposed to draw it all into a syringe so try to get a 5ml syringe at least. just sterilize the outside of the sachet like you would the injection site. and don't forget bro, the most important thing is diet.
what's your pct look like

Yeah I wouldn't jab the whole sachet!! Thanks for the help, I thought that because I would be using three different steroids it would negate the need for higher dosages. Really useful info.

My diet is ok, usual day goes like this:

Breakfast -USN muscle fuel MASS shake
Mid morning - 8 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, scrambled on two wholemeal toast
Lunch - Two chicken breasts, Two baked sweet potatoes, Four big florets of broccoli
Mid afternoon - 250g extra lean ground beef, 100g w/m pasta with dolmio bolognaise sauce
Pre workout - banana
Post workout - USN muscle Fuel MASS shake
Late evening - 450g tub of cottage cheese

I drink loads of water throughout the day and have the occasional CNP dorian yates approved protein flapjack bar if I get peckish between meals (usually between mid afternoon meal and pre workout)

I'll be using Nolva post cycle, but I keep hearing about AIFM so I may check it out. What you think??

 

[chestmaster1]

You have to inject all the satchet at once, or throw the rest away.

It will get contaminated with bacteria when transfering to a vial, no matter how sterile is everything: there are lots of bacteria in the air.

Positively: No sources here bro.

Don't listen to him , hes obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Just buy sterile vials and empty the sachets in there

 

[bighippie11]

looks good. yeah the aifm is a excellent AI. you can/should use it throughout the cycle and post. good luck