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Stats: I'm 31 years old, 6'2", 212 lbs., and probably hanging at about 18-20% BF.
So basically I fell into some UG Pharma supps for free. A friend's wife found them mid cycle and made him get rid of them and start PCT, sucks for him but awesome for me. I have a full bottle of E-Shred (90 caps of 12mg Epistane) and half a bottle of Razordrol (30 caps of 6-Chloro at 30mg and 15 mg of Estra-4 tren) that I get to build a 4 week cycle out of. I'm pretty stoked because I have been going back and forth between 6-Chloro, Epi-Strong, and Hellodrol for what I wanted in my next cycle and I get to use two of them. The Estra-4 version of tren from what I've read will convert to actual tren ace, but I'm still wary about that because I've heard all tren on the market converts to something that isn't actual tren. Anyways here is what I'm looking at for my cycle, let me know if I am solid.
Cycle and Support:
Week 1-4: Forged Liver Support 2ED
Week 1-4: Razordrol 45mg (6-Chloro at 30mg tren at 15mg) ED.
Week 1-4: Epistane 36mg ED.
Week 2: HCGenerate 2 ED
Week 3: HCGenerate 3 ED
Week 4: HCGenerate 5 ED
PCT:
Week 5-6: HCGenerate 5 ED
Week 5-8: Nolvadex 20/20/10/10 (SERM though I may just drop it)
Week 5-8: Forma Stanzol 7 Pumps 2ED tapered down to 3 Pumps 2ED
Week 5-8: Forged Post Cycle 2 ED
I guess my question is if I really need the SERM I'm only running a 4 week cycle and the dosages are pretty low. I have heard a lot about Epistane being pretty mild on suppressing the HPTA and with all the anti-e it provides and having Forma Stanzol on hand I have doubts as to the necessity of an AI or SERM. Should I add another bottle of HCGenerate or will the Forged Post Cycle be enough to help me recover? Basically my theory is that using the HCGenerate on cycle will keep my testes stimulated and prevent atrophy and that having low estrogen from the Epistane and using Forma should keep the bio feedback loop at bay reducing the need for a SERM all together.
I used HCGenerate and Forma Stanzol alone as my PCT for my 4 week Katanadrol v3 cycle and it worked like a champ, but this cycle seems a bit more advanced seeing as its utilizing multiple ph/ds and may need some extra oomph. Anyways, I'm just excited to get a free stack and working on my Support and PCT before I make any purchases. I've seen Needtogetaas make claims that a PCT like this is all that is needed for similar cycles, so if he can pop in and give his take on this it would help alleviate a lot of stress. Thanks for any and all input guys.
So basically I fell into some UG Pharma supps for free. A friend's wife found them mid cycle and made him get rid of them and start PCT, sucks for him but awesome for me. I have a full bottle of E-Shred (90 caps of 12mg Epistane) and half a bottle of Razordrol (30 caps of 6-Chloro at 30mg and 15 mg of Estra-4 tren) that I get to build a 4 week cycle out of. I'm pretty stoked because I have been going back and forth between 6-Chloro, Epi-Strong, and Hellodrol for what I wanted in my next cycle and I get to use two of them. The Estra-4 version of tren from what I've read will convert to actual tren ace, but I'm still wary about that because I've heard all tren on the market converts to something that isn't actual tren. Anyways here is what I'm looking at for my cycle, let me know if I am solid.
Cycle and Support:
Week 1-4: Forged Liver Support 2ED
Week 1-4: Razordrol 45mg (6-Chloro at 30mg tren at 15mg) ED.
Week 1-4: Epistane 36mg ED.
Week 2: HCGenerate 2 ED
Week 3: HCGenerate 3 ED
Week 4: HCGenerate 5 ED
PCT:
Week 5-6: HCGenerate 5 ED
Week 5-8: Nolvadex 20/20/10/10 (SERM though I may just drop it)
Week 5-8: Forma Stanzol 7 Pumps 2ED tapered down to 3 Pumps 2ED
Week 5-8: Forged Post Cycle 2 ED
I guess my question is if I really need the SERM I'm only running a 4 week cycle and the dosages are pretty low. I have heard a lot about Epistane being pretty mild on suppressing the HPTA and with all the anti-e it provides and having Forma Stanzol on hand I have doubts as to the necessity of an AI or SERM. Should I add another bottle of HCGenerate or will the Forged Post Cycle be enough to help me recover? Basically my theory is that using the HCGenerate on cycle will keep my testes stimulated and prevent atrophy and that having low estrogen from the Epistane and using Forma should keep the bio feedback loop at bay reducing the need for a SERM all together.
I used HCGenerate and Forma Stanzol alone as my PCT for my 4 week Katanadrol v3 cycle and it worked like a champ, but this cycle seems a bit more advanced seeing as its utilizing multiple ph/ds and may need some extra oomph. Anyways, I'm just excited to get a free stack and working on my Support and PCT before I make any purchases. I've seen Needtogetaas make claims that a PCT like this is all that is needed for similar cycles, so if he can pop in and give his take on this it would help alleviate a lot of stress. Thanks for any and all input guys.
