Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I have been reading a lot about PCT and get a great deal of conflicting info. One source says do not do more than 500 at a time other sources say do a lot more, even 5000 IUs. I just hit 2500 twice, 3 days apart and the boys are back big time. What do you all think ? Also running Clomid 50mg a day. Any thoughts ?
2500 of HCG ?
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sigmund
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Outtlaw said:
I'm with Outlaw on this, I don't think it's possible to say for sure but unless under medical supervision / getting regular blood-work I wouldn't go above 1500 IU's in one shot.
Interestingly I have read that in extreme cases much higher doses of HCG have been used with success - but under supervision. If you go with the higher doses (1500 IU's +) I strongly recommend you use it conjunction with Nolva, which will not only block raised levels of estradiol from binding (potentially causing gyno) but more importantly help prevent Leydig cell down regulation.
It all depends how suppressed your testes are.
If you have been ON for a long time and supressed your HPTA severely, then you need a few good shots of HCG (3000-5000IU's/shot)
If you are not suppressed that much than 1500-2500IU's 2-3X should be good.
In all cases I run 20mg Nolvadex & 25mg of Proviron before, during and after the shots to prevent gyno, and/or estrogen elevation.
The thing about frequent small doses of HCG like 500-1000IU's is that you might be suppressing your HPTA, and not giving it enough time to bounce back. This happened to me and that is why I only use HCG for a quick jump start (1-3 shots) and then continue with Clomid.
The reason they recommend a 4-5 day span between shots is because the HCG induces elevated testosterone 2X. 1st one after 2hrs from the shot and 2nd one 48-96hrs from the original shot. Too frequent shots will confuse the body in bouncing back from the spike and literally suppress the HPTA from recovering.
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Dr. JK
If you have been ON for a long time and supressed your HPTA severely, then you need a few good shots of HCG (3000-5000IU's/shot)
If you are not suppressed that much than 1500-2500IU's 2-3X should be good.
In all cases I run 20mg Nolvadex & 25mg of Proviron before, during and after the shots to prevent gyno, and/or estrogen elevation.
The thing about frequent small doses of HCG like 500-1000IU's is that you might be suppressing your HPTA, and not giving it enough time to bounce back. This happened to me and that is why I only use HCG for a quick jump start (1-3 shots) and then continue with Clomid.
The reason they recommend a 4-5 day span between shots is because the HCG induces elevated testosterone 2X. 1st one after 2hrs from the shot and 2nd one 48-96hrs from the original shot. Too frequent shots will confuse the body in bouncing back from the spike and literally suppress the HPTA from recovering.
Peace
Dr. JK
Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.
bike said:
What do you hope to achieve with 500-1000IU's/ED during a cycle and where/how did you conclude that this method is good for avoiding testicular atrophy??
Just wondering because all the things I have read and my personal expperience says HCG is NOT good for frequent injections and possibly can make the testes immune to HCG shots.
I stand by my recommendation 2-3 shots during a cycle OR PCT seperated by 4-5 days for the reasons I have mentioned above and in my 1st reply.
References:
WAR --1996
Anabolics 2000/2002
Peace
Dr.JK
help4john
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I too have read the literature on mass quantities of HCG.....and am not buying it one bit. Too much of a good thing is not always good. Perhaps the pro's need 2500IU+ to recover after extremely long suppression.....but the majority of the fellas on this board will not.Dr. JK said:
Not trying to be an arse.....but I disagree with this whole post.
help4john said:
My whole issue lies not about the qty so much but rather the frequency of shots. Everyday shots will just kill your HPTA. Who is to say for another person how they will react to what qty's.
I experienced it 1st hand (ed 500-1000IU's for a week) and killed all my gains cause I suppressed my hpta to a point that I needed Clomid for 6 weeks to get test levels back to normal.
Bottom line, frequent HCG injections regardless of qty are VERY risky!!!!!!
wellbilt
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i would love to know what real medical doses of hcg are, being it comes in doses of 5,000,10,000.15,000.i dont think that doctors are diluting it with bac water.i am planning on using 1000iu every 4 days the last 2 weeks after my last injection and possibly in the middle of my cycle to keep theboys happy.
