1st ever cycle.

[kkone]

1-12 test e adding winny weeks 8-14. My guy is telling me 300mg of test e twice a week through out the cycle and I'm not sure on the dosage on the winny. A few questions.
1) where can I buy/order pct products and what do you suggest.
2) how will my libido and sexual performance be and does it change once I add the winny?
3) how does the dosage look on the test e? Im wondering cuz I see some threads saying 500mg per week is plenty for 1st cycle.
4) is this a good cycle for athletic performance? I'm only looking for low to mid gains but I'm hoping to have the endurance to increase my cardio time.

 

[sojoocy]

Age, stats?

So let me get this right, you're looking for low to mid gains and are jumping on 2 AAS compounds? you can get "low to mid gains" by eating right and lifting ffs. Also test and winny are not going to increase that cardio time at all lol.

 

[kkone]

Well I'm not going to increase my food intake that much. So I was hoping to cut some bf or at least have fat loss be the biggest result of the cycle. I'm 34. 5'9" 235. Work out low cardio and weights 4 times a week. Benching 305 and ripping 265 10 times. Not sure of my bf but I wear a 36 pants very comfortably. I am just doing the cycle that my guy suggested. I've read winny is great for endurance athletes which is why I'm asking.

 

[Youngncurious]

1-12 test e adding winny weeks 8-14. My guy is telling me 300mg of test e twice a week through out the cycle and I'm not sure on the dosage on the winny. A few questions.
1) where can I buy/order pct products and what do you suggest.
2) how will my libido and sexual performance be and does it change once I add the winny?
3) how does the dosage look on the test e? Im wondering cuz I see some threads saying 500mg per week is plenty for 1st cycle.
4) is this a good cycle for athletic performance? I'm only looking for low to mid gains but I'm hoping to have the endurance to increase my cardio time.

600 mg is also kind of high for test e on first cycle no? I would stick to 250 and why winny? Doesn't seem like to of a well thought out cycle..and also bro for future references all pct products you can basically get from
Ntbm

 

[calpoly]

First cycle stick to test only, and I would not go over 500mg a week. Also I would consider shortening it to 10wks. PCT?

 

[sojoocy]

Yes Winstrol can help with endurance in the muscles, but regardless depending what endurance sport you are taking part in, isn't it your cardiovascular fitness that you really have to rely on? I just wouldn't be doing AAS if I wanted to heavily improve my cardiovascular endurance I guess, but each to their own.

 

[the_alcatraz]

First cycle stick to test only, and I would not go over 500mg a week. Also I would consider shortening it to 10wks. PCT?

Agreed.

 

[kkone]

Ok. Thanks guys.
So if it is 300mg/ml should I just do .75cc's?
Why shorten to ten weeks?
What pct products? Nbtm?

 

[the_alcatraz]

Ok. Thanks guys.
So if it is 300mg/ml should I just do .75cc's?
Why shorten to ten weeks?
What pct products? Nbtm?

ntbm and i would consider doing some HCG towards the end of the cycle.

 

[kkone]

I don't know all these acronyms...
Ntbm? Hcg?

 

[Youngncurious]

I don't know all these acronyms...
Ntbm? Hcg?

Needtobuildmuscle.com and hcgenerate....pct bro you should consider post cycle and unleashed combo, forma stanzolol...throughout cycle you should use hcgenerate and n2guard...great products bro

 

[kkone]

Wow thanks for the help.

 

[oxymoron]

Before anything if I were u, I would read, read, read and ask questions on here. Ur "guy" that recommended winny for your first cycle may need to read up a little too. These compounds affect people differently. I don't like winny, but some much harsher options work well for me. Start out real slow and make sure you follow all the advice on here. If you research enough, you'll see all the countless threads of folks that didn't follow all the veteran help they were offered. best of luck to you bro.

 

[kkone]

I don't see anything about unleashed on that site. It says hcg is for pct; why should I take it during?
Is there anything I can go buy right away from from gnc?

 

[kkone]

Thanks oxy! The stuff is on the way. Should I cancel the winny?

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Also, what kind of endurance are we talking about? Because winny dryes out the joints bro....

 

[abomb1]

I agree with the prior post...Isn't it strange that winni dries the joints, and it has anti-progestinial activity, yet deca, which is a progestin causes increased joint lubrication?

 

[TheSVPdeal]

ADVICE:

I would work on getting that bodyfat down, Bro. You're 5'9" @ 235. You didn't mention bodyfat but based on my size and strength comparison to yours, I would say that you're at least 20% Bodyfat. You don't want to increase calries and use juice to cut up. That doesn't really work. I would use diet and cardio to get sub 15% bodyfat before starting your cycle.

I would do this so that you are healthier when starting. Being 20% bodyfat and blood pressure going up due to juice and the bloat from the test, isn't the greatest. Not to mention, you're not going to be as happy with the results.

Once you get your fat in check:

Stick with 250mg test each week for 10 weeks. This is the perfect first cycle. You will know how your body responds to a mild dose of these hormones. Trust me, with your fresh receptor sites, this will be plenty. I gained 20 pounds of muscle off this on my first cycle.

Keep some aromasin on hand (chemicalneed.com) in case you start getting estrogen related symptoms. Start with 12.5mg every other day.

Your PCT should consist of forma-stanzol (mrsupps.com), unleashed/post (needtobuildmuscle.com), and bridge.

 

[kkone]

By endurance I just meant the ability to train longer, I didn't really have unions of upping my weights just reps and sets. Try to get 2hrs of circuit training 30 to 45 minutes of cardio in daily. I guess I also meant recovery... I have all my gear besides the winny. Would there be any advantage to lowering the dosage but still going through with the cycle... My diet has been extremely clean an I am not a drinker... Would there be any advantage (recovery/endurance) to doing say 400mg for 10 weeks?

 

[TheSVPdeal]

I just gave you all the advice you need. Lose some weight and follow the instructions

 

[gatemoney]

I just gave you all the advice you need. Lose some weight and follow the instructions

But you didn't tell him what he wanted to here

 

[kkone]

It's not that I want to hear a certain thing in particular. I have children so first and foremost is my safety. But since I have everything I was looking for advice and alternatives. I really and truly appreciate all the help. I have decided to put it on the shelf for a few months... I'm in the gym hard and my diet is right so when I fit the bill, then and only then will I do my cycle.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

It's not that I want to hear a certain thing in particular. I have children so first and foremost is my safety. But since I have everything I was looking for advice and alternatives. I really and truly appreciate all the help. I have decided to put it on the shelf for a few months... I'm in the gym hard and my diet is right so when I fit the bill, then and only then will I do my cycle.

I feel like I've helped you make a good decision. . . NOW WHAT'S UP GATEMONEY?! ;-)

 

[gymjunkie09]

ADVICE:

I would work on getting that bodyfat down, Bro. You're 5'9" @ 235. You didn't mention bodyfat but based on my size and strength comparison to yours, I would say that you're at least 20% Bodyfat. You don't want to increase calries and use juice to cut up. That doesn't really work. I would use diet and cardio to get sub 15% bodyfat before starting your cycle.

I would do this so that you are healthier when starting. Being 20% bodyfat and blood pressure going up due to juice and the bloat from the test, isn't the greatest. Not to mention, you're not going to be as happy with the results.

Once you get your fat in check:

Stick with 250mg test each week for 10 weeks. This is the perfect first cycle. You will know how your body responds to a mild dose of these hormones. Trust me, with your fresh receptor sites, this will be plenty. I gained 20 pounds of muscle off this on my first cycle.

Keep some aromasin on hand (chemicalneed.com) in case you start getting estrogen related symptoms. Start with 12.5mg every other day.

Your PCT should consist of forma-stanzol (mrsupps.com), unleashed/post (needtobuildmuscle.com), and bridge.

Yeah pretty much sums it up right here

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Case closed, GJ. Ha

 

[kkone]

I'm glad there's actually 1 or 2 decent people on the Internet. Thanks. I'll post in a few months

 

[GradeABeef]

I just gave you all the advice you need. Lose some weight and follow the instructions

Totally agree. I am 5'9" and 205. I am up to 315 5x on bench and I am around 18 percent body fat. Maybe less barely. I am 33 and I can fit into a 33 pair of pants. I would look into cardio and diet to shed fat. Or post pic and we can get a better idea.

 

[abomb1]

response to TheSVPdeal...you really need to start pct around 7 days into the cycle.
that way you wont have a huge crash,instead of taking low amounts of aromasin
throughout the cycle. By the way I am not endorsing the pct products you suggested,
because...well..I don't know anything about them.

 

[zsimpson22]

600 mg is also kind of high for test e on first cycle no? I would stick to 250 and why winny? Doesn't seem like to of a well thought out cycle..and also bro for future references all pct products you can basically get from
Ntbm

Why would he do 250 a week? That makes no sense lol. He already said his test was dosed at 300. So it's either 480 a week or 600. I'm on cycle of test e right now doing 600mg a week and doing just fine. And don't just state that is not a well thought out cycle, state why you think so. Just my opinion.

 

[Krampie]

I don't know all these acronyms...
Ntbm? Hcg?

google is your friend

I'll help ya out though, ntbm=need to build muscle, supp site. hcg = hcgenerate a popular pct product

 

[TheSVPdeal]

response to TheSVPdeal...you really need to start pct around 7 days into the cycle.
that way you wont have a huge crash,instead of taking low amounts of aromasin
throughout the cycle. By the way I am not endorsing the pct products you suggested,
because...well..I don't know anything about them.

Start PCT 7 days into the cycle? I'm not sure what this means exactly as I'm sure it doesn't mean what it says.

Test aromatizes into estrogen. You take the aromasin during cycle to keep it in check. Just use as much as you need. Start Post Cycle and Unleashed early, day after last pin. Discontinue aromasin and start forma as well. Drop in Bridge 2 weeks after last pin.

As for the PCT, they don't need your endorsement as there are plenty of us who use and swear by the products. Best way to learn about them aside from reading would be to try them. If you would like some help with it, PM me.

 

[dew925]

I don't see anything about unleashed on that site. It says hcg is for pct; why should I take it during?
Is there anything I can go buy right away from from gnc?

Stuff you can buy at GNC? What the F!!!.Go to need to build muscle . Com, way better than anything at GNC, free shipping, great prices, great products an excellent service an staff.Did I mention fast shipping.You can't get that from a corporate mall vitamin store!!!!


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[gymjunkie09]

Stuff you can buy at GNC? What the F!!!.Go to need to build muscle . Com, way better than anything at GNC, free shipping, great prices, great products an excellent service an staff.Did I mention fast shipping.You can't get that from a corporate mall vitamin store!!!!


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Lol, ain't that the truth...I shake my head everytime I walk past gnc, overpriced bull**** imo

 

[the_alcatraz]

stuff you can buy at gnc? What the f!!!.go to need to build muscle . Com, way better than anything at gnc, free shipping, great prices, great products an excellent service an staff.did i mention fast shipping.you can't get that from a corporate mall vitamin store!!!!


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100%

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Lol, ain't that the truth...I shake my head everytime I walk last gnc, overpriced bull**** imo

Yup