10% BA in test prop!!

[buffdoc]

Looking for input on this one. Recently ordered some test propionate, 200mg/ml, from the pharmacy, thinking injection volume would be lower (0.5ml, etc). Nice...
This was the most painful thing I ever put in my body. Walking was very difficult for several days, as was simply turning over in bed. The area grew redder and more swollen and hot over several days, eventually it appeared that a cellulitis had developed, with "peau d'orange" appearance (dimpled like an orange peel), which is characteristic of this type of soft tissue inflam/infection. Went on high dose antibiotics on day 3, much better after 2 days of that.
Called pharmacy today, asked about benzyl alcohol %age, and they said it was 10%!!
That seems a tad high to me. The 200mg/ml cypionate I have (from a different pharmacy) contains 0.9% BA., which is a tenth of what was in the prop. Any experience w/ this?

 

[BONZ^]

I can tell you 10% BA for prop is normal. I have UniVet Prop in front of me. Its 100mg/ml and 10% BA. That means 10mg of BA in 1cc! VERY painfull. My guess is 10% BA for prop is undustry standard.

 

[thx9000]

Basically aren't the shorter ester compounds more difficult to suspend in an oil based solution? Thus the need to increase the BA content with prop...

 

[HGH man--Chargeback]

I still say a person has to shake the bottle first to mix and then draw out the solution. I learned that doing injections of Test 400. I still do it occasionally but not near the pain as the first time. My .02 cents

 

[BONZ^]

Basically aren't the shorter ester compounds more difficult to suspend in an oil based solution? Thus the need to increase the BA content with prop...

That's right. The shorter the ester the more BA is needed.

 

[buffdoc]

That's right. The shorter the ester the more BA is needed.

Will mixing it with a little EQ help? I believe I've read that before. I can't imagine that lidocaine would help, it only lasts about an hour.
What about the tissue reaction? That really scared the hell out of me, and I'm a doctor! Any similar experiences?

 

[buffdoc]

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[40butpumpin]

Well the high BA content explains the pain but it doesn't explain the infection. I'd be more concerned about that than the pain from BA. I've done 100's of injects and not one infection yet and I hope it stays that way. If it was from a pharmacy you'd think it'd be problem free in that regard.

 

[BONZ^]

Will mixing it with a little EQ help? I believe I've read that before. I can't imagine that lidocaine would help, it only lasts about an hour.
What about the tissue reaction? That really scared the hell out of me, and I'm a doctor! Any similar experiences?

Mixing with EQ will definitely help. My buddy is mixing 1cc of prop with 2ccs of 50mg EQ. The injections are almost pain free.

 

[buffdoc]

Well the high BA content explains the pain but it doesn't explain the infection. I'd be more concerned about that than the pain from BA. I've done 100's of injects and not one infection yet and I hope it stays that way. If it was from a pharmacy you'd think it'd be problem free in that regard.

I know, and I trust this pharmacy. Sometimes, if the inflammation is great enough, it can be "seeded" by hematogenously spread bacteria, leading to a soft tissue infection. Or, did the pain and swelling and redness of the BA reaction just coincidentally start to subside after about 3 days, which is about the time I blasted it with antibiotics? And there was really no infection? It was pretty nasty, though, bro. Glad I'm better, though, I was not looking forward to seeing a surgeon friend w/ this problem.

 

[40butpumpin]

I know, and I trust this pharmacy. Sometimes, if the inflammation is great enough, it can be "seeded" by hematogenously spread bacteria, leading to a soft tissue infection. Or, did the pain and swelling and redness of the BA reaction just coincidentally start to subside after about 3 days, which is about the time I blasted it with antibiotics? And there was really no infection? It was pretty nasty, though, bro. Glad I'm better, though, I was not looking forward to seeing a surgeon friend w/ this problem.

I hear ya. I'm inclined to think the latter since it should have been completely sterile but it's the 'hot' part that makes me wonder. I'm glad all turned out well.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I know, and I trust this pharmacy. Sometimes, if the inflammation is great enough, it can be "seeded" by hematogenously spread bacteria, leading to a soft tissue infection. .

this is a good possibility.....

BA can cause necrosis and nerve damage.

THERE IS NO REASON WHAT SO EVER for that much BA. it is compounding incompetence on the part of the pharmacist, it s quite easy to get 100mg of prop in most oils.

 

[buffdoc]

Bonz, 40BP, and macro,
Thanks for the help. That was a scary patch. I HAD to find out though, so...
I went to the same batch, same vial, mixed the prop 1:3 w/ EQ. Had NO pain, and no soreness today AT ALL. Just goes to show you. However, I'll never do the prop by itself again.
Thanks again

 

[IJ26]

The pain will subside in about a week or so. Same thing happened to me on QV prop. I could barely sit down I had to tell my friends it was because my leg workouts were so tough

 

[jboldman]

yup to all. Using 10% ba by a compunding pharmacy just shows ignorance on their part. I could understand it is it were 10 benzyl benzoate and 1-2 BA. I have had similar experiences with high ba shots. Swelling inflammation, redness but NO infection.

EQ is wonderful stuff for this purpose.

jb

 

[strengthfiend]

In making my own I have made prop at nearly 100mg/ml with 6% and it never fell out. In my first batch I made it 125mg/ml with 12% and within taking 3cc I came down with a fever and threw up. It was unbelievablely awful.

Strengthfiend

 

[buffdoc]

In making my own I have made prop at nearly 100mg/ml with 6% and it never fell out. In my first batch I made it 125mg/ml with 12% and within taking 3cc I came down with a fever and threw up. It was unbelievablely awful.

Strengthfiend

I hear ya. Maybe THAT was the source of my 101 fever last Sat night. Thank God for EQ. I wonder why EQ works? Dilutional effect? Seems like there'd have to be something else as well.

 

[jboldman]

hey buffdoc, your pm box is full, delete some messages.

jb

 

[buffdoc]

hey buffdoc, your pm box is full, delete some messages.

jb

Sorry
It's done.

 

[osujudoman]

Ok, so quick question for those who've suspended their own gear... what is the highest concentration of Prop you could get to remain stable in a solution with the lowest % of BA? I think this would help many of us who are making our own stuff from powders.

- Judoman

 

[jboldman]

get yourself an jug of benzyl benzoate for solvent, benzyl alcohol for preservative and experiment for yourself, You will end up with much less pain using bb as the primary solvent.