Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below OK guys, this is no joke. I just started taking 1-AD last monday and I weighed in at 172pds, at 5'7". I have been taking the minimum dosage of 1 capsule 3 times per day. The pumps have been spectacular, and listen to this. I weighed in today at the end of my workout and weighed 182pds. I swear!!! It was the same scale, at the same gym. I am only like 5% bodyfat, way ripped, and only getting more ripped. My buddy says that it doesn't look like I'm holding any water, and he says I have definatly not gained any fat. My bench from last week to this week went up 10 pounds from 6 reps at the lower weight before, to 8 reps with the higher weight now. All I can say is this is the world's greatest prohormone/steroid alternative ever!!! I'll keep you all posted on the weeks to come. i plan on doing a 5 week cycle with 2 bottles total.
1-ad...is This Stuff Legal????? Check This Out!!!
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riskybizz007
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damn man... 1 capsule 3 times a day and getting very good results!! Sounds good... probobly makes you wish you would have ordered that second bottle eh?
Keep us posted on results and keep training hard.
Keep us posted on results and keep training hard.
Wish you could see...
Man I so wish I had a digital camera now. I would show you what it looks like to gain 10pds in 1 week. I have been having some pretty bad headaches, and have been so tired lately...like all the time almost. Do you guys think this is from the 1-AD? I am taking in at least 4-5 protein drinks a day at 22grams per drink. I am also taking Zoloft for anti-anxiety,anti-panic. Does everything look safe of what I'm doing? These headaches are really making me mad. But the 10pds of solid muscle kinda makes me feel better. Good luck with all that try it. I wonder what Biotests Mag-10 will do, if they are ripping on the 1-AD.
Man I so wish I had a digital camera now. I would show you what it looks like to gain 10pds in 1 week. I have been having some pretty bad headaches, and have been so tired lately...like all the time almost. Do you guys think this is from the 1-AD? I am taking in at least 4-5 protein drinks a day at 22grams per drink. I am also taking Zoloft for anti-anxiety,anti-panic. Does everything look safe of what I'm doing? These headaches are really making me mad. But the 10pds of solid muscle kinda makes me feel better. Good luck with all that try it. I wonder what Biotests Mag-10 will do, if they are ripping on the 1-AD.
Jacked Johnson
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Testoman- I agree with you 100%. 10lbs of muscle in one week with mass doses of anadrol isn't possible, so how the hell is an over the counter supplement doing it? Easy, it's not.........
riskybizz007
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Ok 10 pounds in 1 week does sound far fetched, i don't know of any steroid that can do that even. And 1AD doesn't cause bloating from what i hear, so that can't be extra water weight either.
Funny thing is i was at another board and they were saying how Biotest sends people to boards and say, "Yeah i used X product and i gained 10 pounds!" I remember when they used to do that shit here in Elite too. So Testoman i guess you're right on this one.
One thing that made me believe his story is the fact that we don't know his condition before he started. If he was dieting, if he's never PH's before, if he's taking other stuff as well, etc. But still i'd have to say it's a little unbelieveable now that i think twice about it.
Funny thing is i was at another board and they were saying how Biotest sends people to boards and say, "Yeah i used X product and i gained 10 pounds!" I remember when they used to do that shit here in Elite too. So Testoman i guess you're right on this one.
One thing that made me believe his story is the fact that we don't know his condition before he started. If he was dieting, if he's never PH's before, if he's taking other stuff as well, etc. But still i'd have to say it's a little unbelieveable now that i think twice about it.
SilentSurfer
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As you've read in my previous posts, I've had excellent results with 1-AD. I'm up 25 lbs in a total of 17 weeks with 1-AD (5 weeks first cycle, 8 weeks off, 4 weeks out of 6 on second cycle).
BirdUVSC's 10 lbs in one week does seem like a lot.
But I know from experience that 1-AD works very well. I've seen 8 lb changes in a single week.
Note: Bird, what's the UVSC stand for?
BirdUVSC's 10 lbs in one week does seem like a lot.
But I know from experience that 1-AD works very well. I've seen 8 lb changes in a single week.
Note: Bird, what's the UVSC stand for?
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The UVSC is the college I go to. I swear on my life I gained that much this week. This is no ad. I don't care if you like it, it has worked for me. I have the genetics to be big and ripped whether I lift or not, so when I lift I get bigger and more ripped. I played football last year, and lifted alot, then I worked at an airport over the summer where all I did was lift bags all day. I didn't lift weights though. So I guess you could say that I hadn't weight trained seriously for like 4-5 months. I started weight lifting hard for 2 weeks before I started the 1-AD so my muscles wouldn't be too overtrained when I started it. So I weighed in when I started the 1-AD at 172. Then today I stood on the scale again and it said 182. My roomie said I look like I've gained so much weight of only muscle. Some of the weight gain may be memory muscle, but 10 pds of it? I don't know about that. 4 days into doing the 1-AD I had the hugest pump of my entire life. I thought something was wrong. I was doing back and biceps. It was kinda a bad thing, for my forearms were so pumped up that I couldn't do cable pulls. I will try and get a digital camera from my friend and put some pics on here. I swear on my life this is totally true. I just wanted everyone to know this is working for me. I don't know if this will work for you, I have great genetics, but not 10pds in a week genetics. Anything wlse you all want to know?
The UVSC is the college I go to. I swear on my life I gained that much this week. This is no ad. I don't care if you like it, it has worked for me. I have the genetics to be big and ripped whether I lift or not, so when I lift I get bigger and more ripped. I played football last year, and lifted alot, then I worked at an airport over the summer where all I did was lift bags all day. I didn't lift weights though. So I guess you could say that I hadn't weight trained seriously for like 4-5 months. I started weight lifting hard for 2 weeks before I started the 1-AD so my muscles wouldn't be too overtrained when I started it. So I weighed in when I started the 1-AD at 172. Then today I stood on the scale again and it said 182. My roomie said I look like I've gained so much weight of only muscle. Some of the weight gain may be memory muscle, but 10 pds of it? I don't know about that. 4 days into doing the 1-AD I had the hugest pump of my entire life. I thought something was wrong. I was doing back and biceps. It was kinda a bad thing, for my forearms were so pumped up that I couldn't do cable pulls. I will try and get a digital camera from my friend and put some pics on here. I swear on my life this is totally true. I just wanted everyone to know this is working for me. I don't know if this will work for you, I have great genetics, but not 10pds in a week genetics. Anything wlse you all want to know?
OVRTrainer
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Biruvsc...
I have almost exactly the same stats as you except for the bodyfat, and no b.s., I also started 1-ad last monday. I started at 5'7" about 170lbs. At the end of week one I am about 175lbs. That's 5 pounds in the first week. The difference is I am using 200mg 3x a day and from what I've heard it takes a week or so before you start seeing results. I tried to maintain the same diet for several weeks prior to starting this cycle as to reduce the potential variables. However, I do feel as though I am holding some water and I am using no other supps except for protein, and glutamine. Anyway, I find it hard to believe that 1-ad would be responsible for your 10 pound gain but I do not care to speculate as I would rather encourage you and wait to see your final results.
Currently I am planning a 5 week cycle and I have been using 200mg 3x a day which I may or may not bump up to 900mg a day depending on how things are going. I will keep everyone posted as I believe that personal experience is the best source of comparison and "actual" data. I plan to come off cycle with a combination of Tribex, vitex agnus cactus, 1 gram of phosphatidylserine a day, ZMA and an ECA stack to try and maitain as much of my gains as possible. The only side effects I have experienced thus far is a few pimples (2 on my face) and some "odd" pain in my groin. How about you guys?
I have almost exactly the same stats as you except for the bodyfat, and no b.s., I also started 1-ad last monday. I started at 5'7" about 170lbs. At the end of week one I am about 175lbs. That's 5 pounds in the first week. The difference is I am using 200mg 3x a day and from what I've heard it takes a week or so before you start seeing results. I tried to maintain the same diet for several weeks prior to starting this cycle as to reduce the potential variables. However, I do feel as though I am holding some water and I am using no other supps except for protein, and glutamine. Anyway, I find it hard to believe that 1-ad would be responsible for your 10 pound gain but I do not care to speculate as I would rather encourage you and wait to see your final results.
Currently I am planning a 5 week cycle and I have been using 200mg 3x a day which I may or may not bump up to 900mg a day depending on how things are going. I will keep everyone posted as I believe that personal experience is the best source of comparison and "actual" data. I plan to come off cycle with a combination of Tribex, vitex agnus cactus, 1 gram of phosphatidylserine a day, ZMA and an ECA stack to try and maitain as much of my gains as possible. The only side effects I have experienced thus far is a few pimples (2 on my face) and some "odd" pain in my groin. How about you guys?
Musclehead50
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I've used 1-AD also. I don't think this guy is exagerating at all. This stuff really is awesome. Hence, the price is nearly a dollar a pill.
I haven't had any pain in my groin, but have had an increase in sex drive. WOW!!! Expecially the first few days, I think I'm used to it now. I'm gonna get a digital camera to show you guys that I'm not BS'ing ya. I don't wanna gain more than 20pds at 5'7". So if it get's to that, I'm gonna calm down on it. Other sides-little acne, headaches!!!, tiredness. I have had a small case of gyno that flares up if there is any type of estrogen floating in my body, and so far there is nothing, which is correct by which PA says about it not converting to estrogen. I hope my gains keep on progressing, and that it's not just my body shocking myself to gain because something new has entered my body. I'll keep my results posted weekly as well. Take it easy all...
riskybizz007
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Bro very hard to believe. I'm curious as to the other guys here w/ more posts up and their results. Usually the people that post phenomenal results about a product have less than 10-15 posts and dissappear after that, and they're usually promoters.
the nature boy
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I've used 1-AD and I thought it was pretty good. However it's kind of odd that people with hardly no posts keep touting 1-AD over and over. Basically I'm repeating what biz said. I'm not calling anyone out but I find it a little fishy.
Everyone make sure to go to www.ergopharm.com and order as much as you can while you can!!! OK guys, I'm totally kidding, just thought I'd live up to what you guys all think about me...that I"m just promoting it. I'm not. It's freakin expensive!!! If I juiced, then I would rather get some D-Bol or something, but I'm not gonna get myself stuck in juice. I swear I gained 10pds in this one week. I mean, I don't beleive it myself. What do you think that 10pds is if it's not muscle? Does 1-AD cause water retention? I have not an ounce of fat, so I think I would be able to tell if I gained a few pounds of fat. What is the 10pds from then? Later guys.
Bird,
Well, I'd say it's pretty hard to say exactly what the weight is that you gained. You'd have a better chance of knowing if you had taken some BF measurements before and after, but even that wouldn't tell the whole story. I'm really not sure how you measure water weight....I'm not doubting that you gained 10 lbs in a week, but I doubt very seriously that you gained 10 lbs of muscle. Hell, I bet the guys on gear over on the anabolics boards would tell you they never gained that much muscle in 7 days....If you did gain that much muscle, you'd be a physiological freak...I'd say you gained a few pounds of muscle, maybe some body fat depending on what you did with your diet that week, and some water weight....probably most of it being water weight. I don't know about others, but I measure my weight and BF about 5 days a week (on days I work out, because I try to record those stats along with my lifts in a journal I'm keeping), and I've seen my weight fluctuate as much as 4 or 5 pounds in one day, and my BF% fluctuate as much as 2 to 2.5%. So, I don't think you are lying about what you are claiming, but without knowing what your pre-1AD BF% and current BF% are, and without really having an accurate way to measure water weight, it's hard to say what the composition of your weight gain is.
Just my little $.02
Well, I'd say it's pretty hard to say exactly what the weight is that you gained. You'd have a better chance of knowing if you had taken some BF measurements before and after, but even that wouldn't tell the whole story. I'm really not sure how you measure water weight....I'm not doubting that you gained 10 lbs in a week, but I doubt very seriously that you gained 10 lbs of muscle. Hell, I bet the guys on gear over on the anabolics boards would tell you they never gained that much muscle in 7 days....If you did gain that much muscle, you'd be a physiological freak...I'd say you gained a few pounds of muscle, maybe some body fat depending on what you did with your diet that week, and some water weight....probably most of it being water weight. I don't know about others, but I measure my weight and BF about 5 days a week (on days I work out, because I try to record those stats along with my lifts in a journal I'm keeping), and I've seen my weight fluctuate as much as 4 or 5 pounds in one day, and my BF% fluctuate as much as 2 to 2.5%. So, I don't think you are lying about what you are claiming, but without knowing what your pre-1AD BF% and current BF% are, and without really having an accurate way to measure water weight, it's hard to say what the composition of your weight gain is.
Just my little $.02
Hey man,
Use it, don't use, i could care less.
It has worked for me.
Is it worth the price, hell no $40 a bottle is a ripoff.
Just do a d-bot & test cycle which is what i am going to do after i finish the rest of this and take 5 weeks off.
I got headaches at first but they stopped after a few days, some were so bad i had to stop in the middle of my workout, but now at 9 pills a day i am fine, i might jump up to 12 a day just for shits and grins.
I swear to you this stuff works because my strength is fucking through the roof.
BUT i will have to see what happens when i come off, then we will know if this stuff is the shit we have all been looking for.
Later Dillon
Use it, don't use, i could care less.
It has worked for me.
Is it worth the price, hell no $40 a bottle is a ripoff.
Just do a d-bot & test cycle which is what i am going to do after i finish the rest of this and take 5 weeks off.
I got headaches at first but they stopped after a few days, some were so bad i had to stop in the middle of my workout, but now at 9 pills a day i am fine, i might jump up to 12 a day just for shits and grins.
I swear to you this stuff works because my strength is fucking through the roof.
BUT i will have to see what happens when i come off, then we will know if this stuff is the shit we have all been looking for.
Later Dillon
JackOfSpades
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Headaches
Hey Bird,
Used 1-AD for a week, weighed in just now, and I gained 20 LBS!!! oh wait, let me take these ankle weights off. Damn
About the headaches though. I was getting them too and wondering what in my barrage of supps was causing it. Is your headache like a hangover kind? Revving pain when you move your head? That's what mine felt like. If you were getting the same thing, I would guess we could log that as a side-effect of the 1-AD.
I also noticed more than ordinary hair loss. Anything on that?
JOS
Hey Bird,
Used 1-AD for a week, weighed in just now, and I gained 20 LBS!!! oh wait, let me take these ankle weights off. Damn
About the headaches though. I was getting them too and wondering what in my barrage of supps was causing it. Is your headache like a hangover kind? Revving pain when you move your head? That's what mine felt like. If you were getting the same thing, I would guess we could log that as a side-effect of the 1-AD.
I also noticed more than ordinary hair loss. Anything on that?
JOS
Musclehead50
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riskybizz007 said:
I've personally seen AWESOME gains from 1-AD. I have so few posts because I spend most of my time at steroids101. Taking 1-AD, in about two weeks these were some of the results I saw:
Hammer strength +90 lbs
Donkey calf raises +270 lbs.
Leg press +90 lbs.
curls +5 lbs
bench +20 lbs.
All I took was 3 pills daily when I saw these results. Now, most people don't see results that good. Personally, I couldn't believe it. It all depends on your diet, how hard you train, what other supplements you take, etc. Personally, I don't really care if you believe it or not. Thats just my 2 cents.
Musclehead50
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Oh yeah. I agree with the other guy that says just use anoblics if you are going to spend that much anyway. Bigger bang for your buck.
Musclehead50
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Yes, I find that my vascularity is greatly increased when I'm on 1-AD. The only think I can equate 1-AD to is a "legal form of anavar." I've never taken anavar before, but just in terms of how 1-AD reacts with your body.
Jack of Spades
Hey Jack of Spades,
Yea, my headache would kinda feel like that. It felt like I had a brain freeze. Is that how your's felt?I guess we can say this is a side effect of 1-AD now. I haven't had 'em as bad lately. Also my face seems a little more oily. Not many zits, just oily. Also my head feels pretty heavy sometimes...probably my blood pressure rising. Is this a problem? Later all...
Hey Jack of Spades,
Yea, my headache would kinda feel like that. It felt like I had a brain freeze. Is that how your's felt?I guess we can say this is a side effect of 1-AD now. I haven't had 'em as bad lately. Also my face seems a little more oily. Not many zits, just oily. Also my head feels pretty heavy sometimes...probably my blood pressure rising. Is this a problem? Later all...
I just started taking 1-AD last Fri. as well @ 600 mg / day. Are you guys going to take tribulus or something after you're done with your cycle? I don't want any gyno post-cycle or anything (I know it doesn't aromatize, but I'm worried about low 1-test after or whatever). ???
Re: Headaches
Yep i noticed the hair loss, but it seems to have slowed,i might just go bald.
the headaches for me were just like the hangover kind( where you have to go lay down for a while) but like i said i don't get em and i train like a madman.
and for the dude that said something about the gains being related to eating more, well dude don't go jumping the gun, i only increased my calories by 400 a day or between 60-70 per meal.
JackOfSpades said:Hey Bird,
Used 1-AD for a week, weighed in just now, and I gained 20 LBS!!! oh wait, let me take these ankle weights off. Damn
About the headaches though. I was getting them too and wondering what in my barrage of supps was causing it. Is your headache like a hangover kind? Revving pain when you move your head? That's what mine felt like. If you were getting the same thing, I would guess we could log that as a side-effect of the 1-AD.
I also noticed more than ordinary hair loss. Anything on that?
JOS
Yep i noticed the hair loss, but it seems to have slowed,i might just go bald.
the headaches for me were just like the hangover kind( where you have to go lay down for a while) but like i said i don't get em and i train like a madman.
and for the dude that said something about the gains being related to eating more, well dude don't go jumping the gun, i only increased my calories by 400 a day or between 60-70 per meal.
OVRTrainer
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Well in response to the post about guys claiming good results who "happen" to have less than 10-15 posts...I would also be suspicious except I happen to be one of them. Part of the reason I came to this board was to find out some people's actual results from this stuff. So far so good for me, but only time will tell.
By the way, that strange groin pain has subsided, for good I hope. And I haven't had any problems with headaches, sorry. As far as hairloss, I was wary about trying this because I was worried being that it is a DHT derivative, but I hadn't heard anyone complain about it so I tried it. Again, so far so good. I'll keep you posted!
By the way, that strange groin pain has subsided, for good I hope. And I haven't had any problems with headaches, sorry. As far as hairloss, I was wary about trying this because I was worried being that it is a DHT derivative, but I hadn't heard anyone complain about it so I tried it. Again, so far so good. I'll keep you posted!
mustangracer27
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Speaking from a guy who has used lot of anabolics on and off for five years including DBOL, TEST, EQ, DECA, ANADROL, HALOTESTIN, I have used 1-AD and feel that it is good stuff. The stuff can work as good, if not better than some roids.
the nature boy
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69Muscle said:
I agree with everything here, I lost some weight too but that's also because I'm cutting so that's only natural.
Dillon35 said:
To all the people that say that 40 dollars per bottle is a rip-off. HOw do you people calculate that this is a rip off? Do you know the cost 1-androstenediol is to produce? If not then how can you say that this is a rip off?
Let me ask you this. What anabolic steorid would you be able to by 6 grams worth for 40 dollars? I am not talking about potency etc, I am talking about the raw material (these are all steroids and are manufuctured by similar processes). Can you buy 6 grams of dianabol for 40 bucks? Gimme a fucking break!!
No, this is not a rip off. In fact, we are making a relatively piddly profit on this product compared to lots of other products you buy everyday. So lay off on this comment please
Replies are welcome......
Somehow, I have a really, really hard time believing that this last post was done by Patrick Arnold...I've seen some of his responses to criticism of his products before, and he conducts himself in a much more mature, logical fashion than this lashing out style evident in this post.....
Dude, if you are a poser, uncool....get lost.....If you are Patrick, I'm a little surprised...you need to come at these folks with a little more sophistication in your retort than exhibited here....
Dude, if you are a poser, uncool....get lost.....If you are Patrick, I'm a little surprised...you need to come at these folks with a little more sophistication in your retort than exhibited here....
the nature boy
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pa1ad said:
nobody gives a shit about the actual volume of the product. All we care about is the POTENCY!! Who cares that each bottle has 6 grams in it? If 6 grams is so much, then sell 4 gram bottles but make each gram more potent then?
As for comments, this is a discussion board. All we do is comment. Deal with it.
riskybizz007
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whether or not you're a poser i could care less. f*** it~! I would say this though, i know Ergopharm is making a massive killing w/ this product b/c in so many places it's the #1 sold product. So even if you made crap profits, look at the number of consumers. Anyways... i know the price of 1AD will go down w/ time, all new supplements come out high priced. And you can't compare 6g of test/d-bol/deca or anything of that nature to 6g of 1AD.
Like Natureboy said, it's all about the POTENCY!
Like Natureboy said, it's all about the POTENCY!
Guinness said:
This is patrick and i did post that.
I do not understand what the problem with the post was? Did it not make sense?
When I hear tons of people say that 1-AD is overpriced and I am ripping them off, when they do not have a clue as to the cost of raw materials, I get a friggin pisssed off.
I was hoping you all got the point, and understood that it had nothing to do with potency of the steroid.
A good analogy would be testosterone and anavar. A kilogram of anavar costs maybe 5 to 10 times as much as a kilogram of testosterone, yet testosterone is more potent. I think you are all smart enough to know that a raw material is not priced on how potent it is, but rather on how hard and expensive it is to produce.
The active dose of 1-AD is in the hundreds of milligrams, compared to 5 to 50mg as it is for anabolic steroids. And 1-AD is very difficult to make. So when someone says I am price gouging cuz its cheaper to take dianabol for anabolic gains then I want to pull my fucking hair out.
Maybe I am not allowed to vent here, is that it? Is it not cool? What the fuck? I am not running for public office for chrissake
Hey, if that really is Patrick Arnold (and I say that with a BIG “IF”) then I would like to say that I just bought 3 bottles of 1-AD and would like some advice on taking it. I was planning to go with 6 caps a day for the first week, then 9 caps a day for another 4 weeks. (Yes, I know I will have to buy more in the last half of the cycle at that dosage.)
Some stats on me would probably be helpful - I have been working out for 12 years. I am 34 years old, 5’11, 195 lbs, lean, bench press 350#, and I am very health conscious about eating. I have not made any significant gains since I got into creatine monohydrate about 4 years ago (I made GREAT gains for a while back then). I would like to add some muscle and strength – nothing freaky, just break out of my current plateau.
I did some research and was about to order some real gear (leaning toward Anavar and/or Primo), but with all the recent terrorist activity including anthrax through the mail I kind of got the impression it might not be the best time to place an order for that kind of stuff through the mail. Then I saw a lot of talk about 1-AD. So I said what the hell I would give pro-hormones one more try.
Based on the above info what are your thoughts on dosage and do I need to take anything post cycle?
Thanks,
Tony
Some stats on me would probably be helpful - I have been working out for 12 years. I am 34 years old, 5’11, 195 lbs, lean, bench press 350#, and I am very health conscious about eating. I have not made any significant gains since I got into creatine monohydrate about 4 years ago (I made GREAT gains for a while back then). I would like to add some muscle and strength – nothing freaky, just break out of my current plateau.
I did some research and was about to order some real gear (leaning toward Anavar and/or Primo), but with all the recent terrorist activity including anthrax through the mail I kind of got the impression it might not be the best time to place an order for that kind of stuff through the mail. Then I saw a lot of talk about 1-AD. So I said what the hell I would give pro-hormones one more try.
Based on the above info what are your thoughts on dosage and do I need to take anything post cycle?
Thanks,
Tony
pa1ad said:
To 34 year old guy:
Start at 3 caps a day (300mg) and then after a week go up to 6 caps a day. If you are getting results with that then do not go higher. 900mg a day you start getting side effects like stomach upset sometimes, and the greater gains are not usually big enough to justify
riskybizz007
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There's a post on anabolex.com about 1AD w/ Patrick Arnold and a "suppossed" Brock Strausser. One of the most interesting posts i've read.
PA just wondering if 1AD would compete for receptors w/ 4AD or the 19Nordiol. And if they don't can they be taken at the same time? I haven't heard of one bad report from 1AD, but i was wondering if there were benefits to take it w/ other PH's and which ones.
PA just wondering if 1AD would compete for receptors w/ 4AD or the 19Nordiol. And if they don't can they be taken at the same time? I haven't heard of one bad report from 1AD, but i was wondering if there were benefits to take it w/ other PH's and which ones.
riskybizz007
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also wondering how much time off should you take before takind 1AD again? How long do they stay attached to receptors?
riskybizz007 said:
There is only one androgen receptor, therefore all androgens compete for it. However androgen receptor affinity is just one factor in a multitude that determines the biological activity of a steroid. To go into this would require i write a dissertation that would rival war and peace
To answer your question briefly, I would say that stacking with a testosterone precursor may have benefit if your goal is size. Also if you want to maintain high libido. This is because the mild estrogen effect from testosterone aromatization will maximize size and libido.
Now excuse me while I go count this pile of hundred dollar bills ;-)
the nature boy
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pa1ad said:
have you always been such a prick? or is this just a phase?
Musclehead50
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Wow, I just came back to check this thread's recent posts and I find someone saying he is Patrick Arnold. I don't know if this guys is legit or not, but if you are, then thanks for making such an awesome product! I've never experienced such high strength gains from ANY other product. And if it's not really Patrick, then stop posing. Anyway, my personal opinion... 1-AD is awesome. If you haven't tried it, then shut-up until you have. And if you have tried it and didn't like it, then I don't know what to say. I've seen awesome results. As far as price, yeah, it's expensive, but how much do we all spend on supplements monthly anyway? Just cut out one of the miscellaneous garbage products you would normally buy.
P.S. NO, I am in no way affiliated with ergopharm. I'm just another customer who was very pleased with 1-AD's results. And yes, it does have a few unwanted side affects... But what supplement doesn't? Hmm... Go bald.... Add 270 lbs to donkey calf raises... Keep hair... Don't add 270 lbs... Fuck it, I can always shave my head!
Oh yeah, one last thing.... Remember guys, it's a business they're running. If I made something that kick-ass, then I'd charge an arm and a leg for it too.
P.S. NO, I am in no way affiliated with ergopharm. I'm just another customer who was very pleased with 1-AD's results. And yes, it does have a few unwanted side affects... But what supplement doesn't? Hmm... Go bald.... Add 270 lbs to donkey calf raises... Keep hair... Don't add 270 lbs... Fuck it, I can always shave my head!
Oh yeah, one last thing.... Remember guys, it's a business they're running. If I made something that kick-ass, then I'd charge an arm and a leg for it too.
Musclehead50 said:Wow, I just came back to check this thread's recent posts and I find someone saying he is Patrick Arnold. I don't know if this guys is legit or not, but if you are, then thanks for making such an awesome product! I've never experienced such high strength gains from ANY other product. And if it's not really Patrick, then stop posing. Anyway, my personal opinion... 1-AD is awesome. If you haven't tried it, then shut-up until you have. And if you have tried it and didn't like it, then I don't know what to say. I've seen awesome results. As far as price, yeah, it's expensive, but how much do we all spend on supplements monthly anyway? Just cut out one of the miscellaneous garbage products you would normally buy.
P.S. NO, I am in no way affiliated with ergopharm. I'm just another customer who was very pleased with 1-AD's results. And yes, it does have a few unwanted side affects... But what supplement doesn't? Hmm... Go bald.... Add 270 lbs to donkey calf raises... Keep hair... Don't add 270 lbs... Fuck it, I can always shave my head!
Thanks, and yeah its me.
If you are at the Olympia then stop by the ergopharm booth and ask me in person if its me
Hey Patrick, question about the DHT conversion. I am still young and I would really rather not go bald. I know MPB is usually inherited from your mother's father, and he has alot of hair. I just want to know how serious 1-AD is for hair loss. Thanks alot, oh and thanks alot for taking the time to research this product and find a way to convert it into raw material to be ingested. I have made awesome gains on this so far, as you probably have read. Weighed myself again on tuesday, and was still at 182, so I know the weight gain I had from that week wasn't just something I ate earlier that day. Anyways, your awesome, and any info would be great.
Birduvsc said:
I appreciate the nice comments
Anyway, there is really no way for me or anyone else to quantify the risk to hair loss from 1-AD other than by anecdotal reports. As far as what i have heard there is not really much hair loss going on, at least nothing readily apparent in the short term
1-testosterone can convert to DHT, but not via the 5-AR enzyme. So perhaps the DHT that is formed is not preferentially formed in the target tissues (which are 5-AR rich) like it is with testosterone, and therefore it is not as significant a phenomenon in regards to hair loss
riskybizz007
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thanks for answering my question.
Also i have to give you props as well for having the only supplement that i've seen so far that does not have 1 negative review coming from it. Hope there's more to come soon from your labs.
Also i have to give you props as well for having the only supplement that i've seen so far that does not have 1 negative review coming from it. Hope there's more to come soon from your labs.
norr
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Speaking of side effects with 1AD; pretty much everybody had the tired eyes and that light irritation while peeing, but has anybody experienced increased aggression? I'm not talking just about more energy in the gym, no, I'm talking about being edgy, easily pissed off and sometimes out of the blue whishing I had a punching bag at home so I can hit hit hit until I calm down. I'm telling you it was a little scary the first two weeks or so, now I kinda got used to it...
Hey Pat, where's this comming from, is it DHT we're talking here? And by the way, thanks for a great product!
Hey Pat, where's this comming from, is it DHT we're talking here? And by the way, thanks for a great product!
1-ad
I'm on my fourth or fifth cycle of 1-ad. Like I said, i'm about 207lbs now (up from 180) at 5' 10". I only ever imagined carrying around 215lbs maximum but now, since i'm getting close to that, I may set my sights on 220lbs. the way it is now, there is no reason to juice or experiment with other supps for me, just my opinion. I'll keep using this cause the shit works. Get two bottles, do a three week cycle then come back and tell me i'm full of shit. I imagine you will see what we are talking about.
Good luck
I'm on my fourth or fifth cycle of 1-ad. Like I said, i'm about 207lbs now (up from 180) at 5' 10". I only ever imagined carrying around 215lbs maximum but now, since i'm getting close to that, I may set my sights on 220lbs. the way it is now, there is no reason to juice or experiment with other supps for me, just my opinion. I'll keep using this cause the shit works. Get two bottles, do a three week cycle then come back and tell me i'm full of shit. I imagine you will see what we are talking about.
Good luck
LOL...I haven't seen PA on here since 97/98. Those days were classic! Hey Pat, remember those Animal and Unique arguements that you were seldom involved with on here...hehehe? At any rate, nice having you around man, stay awhile if you can so I can suck up as much info as i can. Although you may think there are a bunch of idiots on most of these boards (which i'll admit they have their fair share), there is still a lot of people, myself included, who can't get enough of your knowledge to learn from.
As for the topic of this thread, I have never used 1ad, so my opinion is irrelevant. Later man!
MR. BMJ
As for the topic of this thread, I have never used 1ad, so my opinion is irrelevant. Later man!
MR. BMJ
Musclehead50
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MR. BMJ said:
Yeah man, stick around. We can talk supplements if you've ever got the time to! Well, you can talk anyway... And we'll just sit there with weird looks on our faces nodding dumbly. But it's all good. I'm sure you have a lot of interesting info. Anyway, I know you probably can't say just yet(too specific anyway), but do you have any other powerfull precersors in the works? Maybe a HGH releaser?
P.S. Thanks for replying to our posts.
Triple J
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Patrick thanks for the great product, I am just winding down my first cycle of two bottles over the last 30 days or so, and body weight is up 8 pounds with big strength increases. Also when I weighed today this was after being sick this past week, the other thing for this cycle, I was only working out 3x week. At any rate, next time I am going to hit it a little harder and see what happens.
I used roids when I was younger, now at 42, I can tell everyone this stuff works. Sex drive and aggression are back where they should be, too - not too much, but just right. Keep up the good work!!
I used roids when I was younger, now at 42, I can tell everyone this stuff works. Sex drive and aggression are back where they should be, too - not too much, but just right. Keep up the good work!!
norr said:
Most people I have talked to think that the 1-AD had no mental side effects, or makes them a bit mellow. Sex drive seems to decrease too unfortunately.
But then there is the minority that is like you and gets aggressive or more horny
Probably has to do with individual hormone sensitivity or androgen estrogen balance previous to the cycle, or somehting of this sort
OVRTrainer
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UPDATE...
Just a quick update...I'm on day 16 of my 1-AD at 600mg a day. I have maintained roughly the same diet as I had 2 weeks prior to starting this 5 week cycle except for this weekend in which I went crazy for the first time in months...Hotdogs and beer for 3 days. Anyway, guess what, no muscle loss. Today I weighed in at 181 up from 170 pre-cycle. I can't believe it myself. I'm sure that it's not 11lbs of pure muscle, but I don't seem to have gained much if any additional bodyfat. I will be measured next wednesday, but last wednesday I was measured at 13.9%. I honestly don't think that was too accurate (more like 11 or 12) but it gives me a basis of comparison. Anyway, strength is going up, not too much, and I look awesome. Have had a number of friends notice and mention how I look "bigger" and "harder". I can't believe this stuff actually works! I will give a better update at the end of week three...later!
Just a quick update...I'm on day 16 of my 1-AD at 600mg a day. I have maintained roughly the same diet as I had 2 weeks prior to starting this 5 week cycle except for this weekend in which I went crazy for the first time in months...Hotdogs and beer for 3 days. Anyway, guess what, no muscle loss. Today I weighed in at 181 up from 170 pre-cycle. I can't believe it myself. I'm sure that it's not 11lbs of pure muscle, but I don't seem to have gained much if any additional bodyfat. I will be measured next wednesday, but last wednesday I was measured at 13.9%. I honestly don't think that was too accurate (more like 11 or 12) but it gives me a basis of comparison. Anyway, strength is going up, not too much, and I look awesome. Have had a number of friends notice and mention how I look "bigger" and "harder". I can't believe this stuff actually works! I will give a better update at the end of week three...later!
Musclehead50
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1-AD is the best supplement I've ever tried. Not only that, but when I went to netrition, I found their service was awesome too. I know there are other places with better prices, but netrition is located in Albany, NY and I'm in Syracuse, NY. I got my shipment the morning after I placed the order. I had some problems with my credit info the last time I ordered, but the lady and I sent several emails back and forth to try and fix the problem. Anyway, she responded to my emails within minutes, and we eventually got everything straightened away. Awesome service Patrick!
JackOfSpades
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I just came off a 5 week cycle. After the first week, I increased from 3 to 6 pills a day. Couple days later I experienced headaches and more than ordinary hairloss (and I don't have baldness in the ole family tree). Neither one of these was a huge concern for me. After about 8 days of that, I dropped back to 3 pills a day and the sides went away.
There were times of increased aggression, but nothing I couldn't deal with. I experienced a slight discomfort with urination approximately once per day. I'm wondering if maybe the 1-AD is causing an enlarged prostate and that's where the discomfort is occuring during urination?
Besides the sides, I didn't notice or feel anything different on twice the dose, so 3 a day suited me just fine. Experienced marginal increase in strength and growth. I was at a plateau on cutting, and it seemed to kickstart further fat loss during the cycle of which I am thankful.
All in all, I was happy with the results and think the price is worth the punch. I'll be holding off till spring for the next cycle, and hope to see growth and cutting prior to beach season.
JOS
There were times of increased aggression, but nothing I couldn't deal with. I experienced a slight discomfort with urination approximately once per day. I'm wondering if maybe the 1-AD is causing an enlarged prostate and that's where the discomfort is occuring during urination?
Besides the sides, I didn't notice or feel anything different on twice the dose, so 3 a day suited me just fine. Experienced marginal increase in strength and growth. I was at a plateau on cutting, and it seemed to kickstart further fat loss during the cycle of which I am thankful.
All in all, I was happy with the results and think the price is worth the punch. I'll be holding off till spring for the next cycle, and hope to see growth and cutting prior to beach season.
JOS
OVRTrainer
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In response to all those who are experiencing uncomfortable side-effects, I must say that I have been lucky thus far. With the exception of dry, red eyes (all the time, but easily cured with visine) I haven't experienced the sides mentioned. I don't want to jinx myself as I am only at 2 and 1/2 weeks but I haven't had problems with painful urination and I'm not really sure I'm having any noticeable hairloss either; though I'm paranoid about the hair. I have however been using saw palmetto 4 caps a day, though it has not been proven to treat BPH, this may be the reason I have not experienced any burning urination if this side-effect is related to prostate enlargement. Also I have been using NIOXIN on my hair which I believe is supposed to help rid the scalp of dht formation, but I'll look into it to be sure. Additionally I drink a ton of water and always take my 1-AD with food. Well, I hope this helps and things continue as they have thus far. Good luck to all...
Oh, the one side I have experienced is decrease in libido. This seems to be getting worse actually so I am going to start either Tribex or Vitex tomorrow to shake up the little guys. Also no Testicle shrinkage yet and I've actually been very MELLOW as opposed to the aggressive, short tempered feeling I've gotten from 4-AD. My biggest problem is why I am gaining so much weight when this is supposed to be for hardening, best used when cutting. I have been eating a generous diet but by no means a bulking diet and I am up 11lbs. (No water weight). I love this shit so far. I can only imagine what Biotest's version would be like, assuming the ester works as speculated.
Oh, the one side I have experienced is decrease in libido. This seems to be getting worse actually so I am going to start either Tribex or Vitex tomorrow to shake up the little guys. Also no Testicle shrinkage yet and I've actually been very MELLOW as opposed to the aggressive, short tempered feeling I've gotten from 4-AD. My biggest problem is why I am gaining so much weight when this is supposed to be for hardening, best used when cutting. I have been eating a generous diet but by no means a bulking diet and I am up 11lbs. (No water weight). I love this shit so far. I can only imagine what Biotest's version would be like, assuming the ester works as speculated.
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