ok bro here goes , they are the thais .. they are real good , they work better than ref b and they are preety good price to .. i wouldnt trade a 20 cc bottle of winny for it .. keep the winny and stack it with the thais .. you will see good results , good luck bro
dude dont take any flame to this but what kind of friend would let you do drols for your first cycle .. that shit i so harsh , research some more .. good luck bro
dude i dunno but i have been taking gear for two years and love ref b .. it is great so do what i say bro i tell yuo man it works , and ill take the ref b if you dont want it, man ill put it to use
hey bro i have done reffy alot and i love it.. for best results i used 2ccs a day i split it up 1/2 cc 4 times a day .. or every 4 to 5 hours .. good luck bro