I got real lethargic on tren also. It was the only real negative side I got.
No change in diet or dose seemed to change it.
Tren's a tough compound - sometimes you just gotta push through if you wanna use it.
I understand what Rick is saying, but it is still a concern to me. Mostly because there are no long term studies on these compounds. We only know what side effects happen short term. They havnt been around long enough to know any facts regarding long term use and side effects, or short term...
It's certainly possible to never recover. Everyone is different. The older you get the harder it gets, but again, everyone is different. Myself, I was diagnosed with low test levels before ever cycling at all.
Personally Id choose Clen 10 out of 10 times for results. I get slightly worse sides on Clen compared to albuterol but I don't get anything for results on albuterol.
Also I'd get tabs over liquid if at all possible. It's possible the first Clen tabs you had were bunk if you at least didn't...
If I was worried about hairloss, I'd leave out the winny. I don't think you'll notice much positives from the winny alongside tren anyway. Tren is so powerful it will cover up any gains from 50 mg of winny. Just saying risk/ reward isn't there, particularly if you are worried about losing hair.
Rick - I have seen you post on lots of forums about the balance you have found with bodybuilding, family, career, etc.
You really seem like you have great perspective on your life and in the sport of bodybuilding - I admire that.
I like both of your cycles. I think if go with #1 cause I would love to see EQ in the mich. Test/eq/var would be a great stack for what you are trying to accomplish. Good luck!
I can't stand when companies don't list out the splits for the ingredients on their products. Or sometimes you'll see 'proprietary blend' but no breakout. It always makes me think they are hiding something.
I would just run the Hdrol myself and forget the katana. I got zero results when I ran katana but Hdrol is a great Ph.
For superior peptides, well, they are a board sponsor so they've already been vouched for by elite fitness. Myself personally, I'd do some reasearch and get yourself pharma...
Not the best idea but let's be honest a few beers on the weekend isn't gonna do you any harm. It will effect your diet though particularly if cutting. You will lose a few days before your body is back on track for cutting fat.
I have heard very poor results from liquid caber. No matter where you get it from. Research chems are always hit it miss with the dosing, but I've heard caber is extra 'moody' when suspended
Get the tabs bro - not hard to find
Dude if you went to the hospital 13 times and saw 3 different cardiologists, and they all cleared you with no issues, then I'd believe them. Granted it would scare me enough to stay off the juice but other than that you should take the drs advice if they are all saying the same thing. I don't...
Don't mind Clen sides except for the cramping. Wow. Also not much for results so not worth it.
Albuterol - doesn't do shit for me. Sides negligible but zero results
ECA - best of the three for me. Minimal sides and gave clean energy. Like ECA a lot. However I try to avoid most stims...