+1
its not worth even the possibility of fucking yourself up permanently. if youre eating as much as you say and not gaining weight maybe youre eating the wrong things
I've been using dermacrine alone and for about 3 weeks and haven't noticed a thing. No feeling of "overall well being" or extra motivation in the gym like others have reported. The only effect I can say I noticed was increased appetite. I'm 23 years old and 205 lbs with roughly 15% bodyfat...