When using clen i start off at 6 tablets and increase to 8 or 9 a day. I split it up to two doses.
Increase your dose gradually to where your hands can't stop shaking and then back off a little bit
i used eq without a problem. But on the other hand i didn't see any gaines off of it until i bumped it up to 1g a day. It was IP garbage so take my info for what its worth