Ok i figured that to keep from getting fina dick i will mix my 4 carts with testrogel. Hear are my before stats Chest 43, arms 16, leg 24, waist 27 at a bw of 167 with real low bodyfat. My bench is 300, squat 405, deadlift 425. I apply a pea sized amount 2x's a day, i think there should be alot...