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MadeOfTren
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First off let me start by voicing my personal opinion that anything a pro says about diet,workout,drugs, etc. is 100% bullshit. For example I read an interview with Dorian Yates and he stated he was only consuming 5000-6000 calories a day.
Now according to all the GREAT information I have gathered over the years on site like bb.com I understand to gain you need a surplus and to lose you need a deficit. But does this ideally correlate to what we want to actually gain? Sure you can eat a surplus and add weight. Even on anabolics, how much of this is actually lean mass? How much is fat? How much is water? Sure I have done a few cycles and saw dramatic weight changes. I started my first cycle at 190 lbs. 6 weeks into the cycle of 500mg Test Cyp./week and 50mg Tren Ace ED I was hitting 225. However, I was seeing this 225 turn to 215 every morning. It was in fact water retention without a doubt.
The next cycle I ran was a test prop and winstrol IM cycle. I had a horrible diet and barely ate anything except junk at nighttime and was holding at 217 and considerably defined for 15% bodyfat. Then it all came crumbling down and I was forced to get off due to injury. I abruptly stopped my cycle, stopped training, stopped eating, and started popping oxycodone constantly. Within two months I was 204 lbs. But it seemed all other things constant my body did now hold at a new base weight than it ever did prior. And this was on a horrible diet of maybe getting 2000 calories if lucky.
This leads me to my skepticism of actual lean gains really requiring such a surplus of caloric intake if you are truely training with the intent of a bodybuilder. I just finished up a cycle of test,deca,dbol about a month ago and hit 235 at about 14% bodyfat. I am now holding at 231 lbs with a diet that is up there in caloric intake. But I sacrificed adding the inevitable bodyfat. I will be the first to admit that my bulking diet is a whatever I can get in me diet due in part to financial issues of being a self supporting and funding college student. I get my meat by whatever means it takes even if I have to commit some immoral acts. I am in no way questioning protein intake which I believe should be 2g per lb. of bw on cycle. Is there really such a thing as a lean bulk? I know it is proposed in alot of plans and cycles but is it really a tangible and feasible option?
I would like others feedback on all of this and any success or failures you have had playing around with diets.
Now according to all the GREAT information I have gathered over the years on site like bb.com I understand to gain you need a surplus and to lose you need a deficit. But does this ideally correlate to what we want to actually gain? Sure you can eat a surplus and add weight. Even on anabolics, how much of this is actually lean mass? How much is fat? How much is water? Sure I have done a few cycles and saw dramatic weight changes. I started my first cycle at 190 lbs. 6 weeks into the cycle of 500mg Test Cyp./week and 50mg Tren Ace ED I was hitting 225. However, I was seeing this 225 turn to 215 every morning. It was in fact water retention without a doubt.
The next cycle I ran was a test prop and winstrol IM cycle. I had a horrible diet and barely ate anything except junk at nighttime and was holding at 217 and considerably defined for 15% bodyfat. Then it all came crumbling down and I was forced to get off due to injury. I abruptly stopped my cycle, stopped training, stopped eating, and started popping oxycodone constantly. Within two months I was 204 lbs. But it seemed all other things constant my body did now hold at a new base weight than it ever did prior. And this was on a horrible diet of maybe getting 2000 calories if lucky.
This leads me to my skepticism of actual lean gains really requiring such a surplus of caloric intake if you are truely training with the intent of a bodybuilder. I just finished up a cycle of test,deca,dbol about a month ago and hit 235 at about 14% bodyfat. I am now holding at 231 lbs with a diet that is up there in caloric intake. But I sacrificed adding the inevitable bodyfat. I will be the first to admit that my bulking diet is a whatever I can get in me diet due in part to financial issues of being a self supporting and funding college student. I get my meat by whatever means it takes even if I have to commit some immoral acts. I am in no way questioning protein intake which I believe should be 2g per lb. of bw on cycle. Is there really such a thing as a lean bulk? I know it is proposed in alot of plans and cycles but is it really a tangible and feasible option?
I would like others feedback on all of this and any success or failures you have had playing around with diets.
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