Is Serena Williams juicing?

[Haz]

I know that roids are popular amongst athletes, and I've heard of plenty of men tennis players using them, but I've always wondered about the women. So do you gals think Serena is natural? She looks mannish, and is very heavily muscled. I'm no expert, but the only women I know with muscles like hers are using roids.

 

[wilson6]

"She looks mannish, and is very heavily muscled"

Better than a guy that looks chickish and very lightly muscled.

I trained a black female, natural that makes Serena look small. Her size on a black female is well within reason. Besides, who cares if she's juicin or not and she looks like an athletic female should look, hardly what I'd consider "heavily muscled". If all the women's tennis players looked like her, I'd probably watch more women's tennis.

W6

 

[starfish]

WOW!!!

How would like to have to return her serve

 

[Pink Space Biscuit]

Don't be dissing on PUMA.

 

[Pink Space Biscuit]

I went to the acura classic last month, was actually really cool. I didn't know shit about tennis before we went to the first match. I didn't realize half the players were 6' amazons either, until I read the program.

 

[MS]

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. She's lean, but not excessively muscled. However she has a 'hardness' to her muscle that is rare in a female. In the light of McEnroe's alledged AAS use, I would say there is NO way of knowing just by looking at their physiques. What a dweeb. She may use AAS to aid recovery-she is playing a tough sport at the elite level. What do her legs look like??

I agree if more women tennis players looked like her, I might consider watching the sport. As it stands, most of the pro MALE tennis players don't look as good as her (in terms of having a nice, lean, athletic build).

 

[SteelWeaver]

Who cares what she's using - she looks absolutely delicious

She and her sister are the only reason I ever even glance at the sports pages in the paper. But unfortunately I'm almost always disappointed with a pic of Anna.

 

[Hannibal]

[BBesides, who cares if she's juicin or not and she looks like an athletic female should look, hardly what I'd consider "heavily muscled". [/B]

Exactly...

 

[Haz]

Originally Posted by SteelWeever
She and her sister are the only reason I ever even glance at the sports pages in the paper. But unfortunately I'm almost always disappointed with a pic of Anna

LOL, I came across that photo when I was trying to find some nude pics of Anna. How can anyone be disappointed in her? She might not be buffed out, but she is adorable.

If all female tennis players looked like her, I'd need much more lube when watching.

 

[Pink Space Biscuit]

The bobsled team isn't too shabby either.

 

[MS]

"I was trying to find some nude pics of Anna. How can anyone be disappointed in her?"................This MUST be a guy thing. I can't put my finger on what it is, but guys (other than wilson6) seem to like that 'bedroom eyes' and 'nice boobs' look, and don't really see beyond that. Anna doesn't, to my eye, have any redeeming or noteable features from a female bodybuilder's perspective. But she exudes a nice "fuck me" aura which is prolly why she's so popular.

Should I edit my own post!?!?!?!?

 

[Hannibal]

This MUST be a guy thing. I can't put my finger on what it is, but guys (other than wilson6) seem to like that 'bedroom eyes' and 'nice boobs' look, and don't really see beyond that.

Believe it or not W6 isn't the only one that can see past it...

Looking at her all I see is "high maintenance" and a snobbish look. The sad part is she isnt that good of a tennis player, respectively. However, she gets all kinds of endorsement money thrown at her because of that look that she "exudes"

 

[Pink Space Biscuit]

Actually Anna's a fairly decent tennis player, she's just never won a singles tournament, but her game is definitely improving. She's won lots of doubles and has like over 3 mil in prize money, not too bad I'd say. She domnated in the matches I saw.

 

[Hannibal]

Actually Anna's a fairly decent tennis player, she's just never won a singles tournament, but her game is definitely improving. She's won lots of doubles and has like over 3 mil in prize money, not too bad I'd say. She domnated in the matches I saw.

Wasn't tryin to take away from her abilities...at all. Obviously, she has talent. She IS a professional tennis player. It's just that there are numerous women ranked ahead of her that don't get a fraction of what she gets from endorsements.

 

[MS]

"The first time I really had a good look at Mia, she was doing a guest speaking segment regarding her foundation. I was immediately drawn to how calm and articulate she was"


How cool. I've never seen her in person, but photogenically I agree she is a "women's women". I don't know if I just made that up, but I think it's the equivalent of a "man's man"??? The face tells the whole story, and Mia is sexy even if they don't show you her boobs.

Of course guys constantly complain about the same problem....for instance WHY do so many women find guys like Brad Pitt or Keanu Reeves sexy????

I suspect we're not talking about tennis playing ability here. After all, when was the last time you saw a 'sexy' male tennis player. No matter how good they are, from an endorsement point of view sex will always sell better than ability. So Anna is a marketer's dream come true and the other women are just good tennis players.

 

[SteelWeaver]

Of course guys constantly complain about the same problem....for instance WHY do so many women find guys like Brad Pitt or Keanu Reeves sexy????

I have the same question. Why DO they???? A bit more rugged, like they wouldn't fall over if you push them, is more my speed (well - not that I've CHECKED my speed re: men lately at all, but, you know, what the eyes can see ...)

As for Anna - I find her completely forgettable. She looks like a million other pretty girls out there. You wouldn't even see her in a crowd.

But now Mia - I have no clue who she is but she definitely looks like someone I'd be interested in getting to know.

Didn't Martina manage to do some good selling?

 

[MS]

I think maybe your average man or women are both attracted to similar things... Someone of the opposite sex who is not too threatening but still has the gender qualities they are looking for. If this were ture then both 'normal' men and women would prefer a less masculine, less muscled look, but men would want boobs and women would like lean but not too big ( an no boobs!). Any sociologists out there that can shed light on why so many guys like Anna and so many chicks like Pitt???

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

I don't know why anyone thinks Keanu Reeves is attractive. He doesn;t have particularly great features facially and he isn't even a good actor. The Matrix was good but he never changed his expression or his tone of voice.

Brad Pitt, though...I can answer that one. Two words: Fight Club. Ripped, hard, muscular body and rugged, chiseled facial features. Yeah, he could be bigger and that would be nice, but given the celebrity options he's up there.

Personally, I do not dig the excessively muscular male bodybuilders - the ones who look like theyve used tons of roids. I am attracted to women and men who have hard, lean bodies that they *look* like they achieved naturally. Of course, this is not to say that I can't admire the monsters on a different level of aestheticity (ie: one that doesn't require sexual attraction).

 

[Hannibal]

Mia Hamm led the US Women's Soccer team to victory. She did most of the post game talking. Very team oriented, and well spoken.

Definitely a leader...both during the game and afterwards

 

[w84me]

And don't forget the Brandi Chastain explosion showing off her 'sports bra' ... of course, I was appreciative of the fact that she was showing her muscular body and it proves that the women of the soccer world trained hard for their gold.

Brandi

scroll down to her two pics - - sports bra & the one from Gear Magazine

 

[w84me]

hey ... I can't figure out how to insert an 'image' ... I see the insert area, but the it prompts for the http://

spatts?

 

[BrickGirl]

I would be more than happy to have a night with any of the girls mentioned above

 

[makedah]

I think the Williams' sisters have beautiful bodies. They might be on steroids (how the heck would I know), but their bodies don't suggest that to me. There are a lot of tall, strong women out there - as suggested here - the Williams' are probably very lean. At first, the media often portrayed them as hulking, scary beasts. Then, the sisters got Avon contracts and the cover of Elle...

I don't see the appeal of Anna. She's not exceptionally beautiful - I guess people think "She's pretty, for an ATHLETE." (Whatever that means)

I think Keanu Reeves is sexy, face-wise and body-wise. That lean, smooth, tawny body... Brad Pitt is Fight Club-sexy AND Snatch-sexy AND Interview with the Vampire-sexy...

 

[keiko]

I just assume that all pro atheletes, in what ever sport, are juiced to some extent. The Wiliams sisters are great players, and to my eye, they look pretty dense to be all natural.

And what actors put into their bodies is a truly terrifying thought. The abuse that actors and models go through is, to my mind, unhealthy and kind of sad.

 

[Haz]

Originally posted by MS
Any sociologists out there that can shed light on why so many guys like Anna and so many chicks like Pitt???

I've read some books on why guys and gals are attracted to certain types. Men have evolved to look for youth and beauty in their mate, which is an indication of good health. A young healthy woman is likely to produce more offspring then an older less healthy one. 1000's of years ago, before cosmetics and abundant food, you could not look young and beautiful without actually being healthy. That might not be true today, but a guys genes are still those of a caveman.

Thats why Anna is such a turn on for so many guys. She is pretty and looks extremely young. Her bright clear eyes, blonde hair, nice breasts, beautiful smile with pearly white teeth, smooth clear skin, and a youthful well porpotioned face are all indicators of a good mate.

 

[Sassy69]

Let's also not forget what "hot items" tennis has brought in the past -- no offense, but I don't find Billy Jean King or Martina particularly attractive. Chris Everett had her moments as well -- but its been a while since any good looking babes been in da game. Same for guys. Should Agassi have kept the hair?? McEnroe -- no thx. I'm not a tennis afficianado but there are some cute guys out there now. (God, how easy it is for us to judge LOL!)

I'd love to know the Williams sisters' diet & training regimen. They dont' look particularly musclebound -- just with some good solid muscle & nice & lean. Sort of the "sprinter" look.

 

[prime22]

I can remember when the Williams' sisters were making it big and I heard some woman on a radio program talking about how they must have been using creatine to get that big....lol. I was like damn, it works like that????

Either way if they juice or not, I gotta give them props on their success over the past few years and how they've helped bring more attention to the sport of tennis.

 

[Sassy69]

I was just watching the Williams sisters on TV today. Venus isn't really what I would call "cut". Serena has really great upper body development (well, arms & shoulders), but her legs were lookin a little bloated. They are big, but don't look particularly developed and the girl does have some booty. I wish they would've shown her next to another person for some size perspective so my observations may be distorted. But yea, def more upper body cut than lower body.

 

[makedah]

Men have evolved to look for youth and beauty in their mate, which is an indication of good health. A young healthy woman is likely to produce more offspring then an older less healthy one.

The Williams sisters are young and healthy.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

The Williams sisters are young and healthy.

Yes, but they don't look as "clean", pure and innocent as Anna.

Not saying I believe that, but it is what I think the general population thinks (consciously or subconsciously). I think the Wiliams sisters look amazing and extremely confident - plus they have the talent to back it up.

I think Anna is scrawny and plain. Does she have any muscle tone at all? All the pictures I see of her she looks puny. Definately not ugly, but nothing spectacular. And it ain't jealousy speaking either. I'm blonde, blue eyed, and young looking too!

 

[wilson6]

"I think Anna is scrawny and plain. Does she have any muscle tone at all? All the pictures I see of her she looks puny. Definately not ugly, but nothing spectacular. And it ain't jealousy speaking either."

My thoughts exactly.

W6

 

[Fonz]

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. She's lean, but not excessively muscled. However she has a 'hardness' to her muscle that is rare in a female. In the light of McEnroe's alledged AAS use, I would say there is NO way of knowing just by looking at their physiques. What a dweeb. She may use AAS to aid recovery-she is playing a tough sport at the elite level. What do her legs look like??

I agree if more women tennis players looked like her, I might consider watching the sport. As it stands, most of the pro MALE tennis players don't look as good as her (in terms of having a nice, lean, athletic build).

My serve was clocked at 119MPH when I was 19 and weighed
180. I was VERY strong.

She weighs 140-150 and hers clocks at 123MPH.

Hmmmmm.....looks suspicious to me.

Even Sampras only does 135MPH.

Fonz

 

[builtbc83]

I work for one of the TV Networks that holds the broadcast right for US Open Tennis. I was out at the Tennis Center last week and was in our studio when the 2 sister came in, I finished up what I had to do and was walking out with a co-worker, the first word that came outta my mouth as we were walking away from them was 'juiceheads' LOL

seriously, in person they are actually bigger then they appear on TV, they are both HUGE (in a built way) compared to most women...

I think they both done their fair share of gear, but thats just me...the whole looking like a man thing just takes all the question out of my mind.

Bern

 

[NubianBeauty]

Dammit why do you guys have to come over here and start this kind of shit! They have been training since they could walk! No one said they were "pretty girls" but juiceheads give me break!

 

[Pink Space Biscuit]

seriously, in person they are actually bigger then they appear on TV, they are both HUGE (in a built way) compared to most women...

Of course they are huge in person. They are like 6'2"... built or not that is going to seem huge on any woman. Especially women that aren't runway model thin.

 

[BigD50]

I think women's tennis should have a heavyweight division. Then they can put the Williams sisters and all the other amazon's in it to make it fair. Some of those chicks are bigger than the pro men's players. I would guess that they don't use AS. They just have genes that make them bigger and more athletic. they have been playing tennis all their life and if you have played at all you will know it's a heck of a workout. One match can last 3-4 hours sometimes. Although I wouldn't put it past them and their loney Dad to do anything to gain an edge.

As far as Anna goes, she is hot! She is pure sex appeal. She has that little girl, wild thing, I wanna be your dirty little slut attitude. I don't know what you people see but she has a hot body. Everytime I see her in a new sexy little tennis outfit...hhhmmmm.

 

[takniteasy]

Don't most African-American women who are athletes have an ancestoral (genetic) propensity for having more lean mass and to be larger overall? I have noticed in the recent past BB comps, especially nattys, that there are more and more African-Amercan women who are victorious over Caucasians. And in the general population, I see few thin/petite African-american women.

Hmmm...Looks like interesting research to me. I think I will get into this more later.

 

[Wombat]

......Just over a year ago, one could barly tell the diff---between venus and serena---and venus made serena look silly on the court.....now serena has put on over 10-15 pounds of muscle and makes venus look tiny and bad on the court(if thats possible).......a few years back, it was considered a young man's or womens sport----now instead of being over the hill at 25, players are getting better....Why do you think that is? its not rocket science......How and Why does a guy like John McCanroe who looks like he has never touched a weight in his life, admit to steriod use..if he didn't admit it, everyone on here would say thier is no way in hell he has ever used it....its obvious to anyone that martina navatalova(sp) was on something(that was years ago)--and still is-----hell I've known many strippers that use clen and winny and barly hit the weight room-----how many of us have known high school athletes that have used gear? Is it really out of the question for professional athlethes to use hormone replacement therapy for bettering their game and/or injuries? And top athletes at that.... its the dirty little secret that know one wants to talk about or admit---mainly because most are uneducated on the subject and call it cheating--but for those who understand things, its a lot deeper then that..........steroids are wide spread and always will be---hell their are ping pong players that have tested positive of something.....one does not have to walk in ones shoes to understand why and how their game can keep going to the next level....

why has the home run record in baseball set many years ago been blown out of the water recently but know one has come close in recent years to Ted Williams .400 batting average....its pretty simple to me, steroids and or other agents will give one power and speed however what it won't do is make you place the ball any better then a person not using anything....hence is why ted williams record will live on for a long time--gear or no gear..something to think about....peace

 

[Wombat]

by the way I've yet to meet any guy that is secure with himself not understand why women would think Brad Pitt is "hot" or Tom Cruise etc.....looking deeper then just their bodies, its easy for me or anyone I think to understand the charisma that they both have.....

 

[BronzedGoddess]

I watched the US Open and I do not see what all the fuss is about. The picture of Serena on here is of her in mid swing. When she's not hitting the ball her arms are not that hard. Her and her sister look like athletic women. In highschool we had girls that looked like that and I don't believe any of them were juicing. Look at Serenas legs. They are like most athletic black women. Very muscular but not really cut. IMO the men that are making a big deal over this are insecure that a woman can be strong and powerful without AS.

 

[Fonz]

I watched the US Open and I do not see what all the fuss is about. The picture of Serena on here is of her in mid swing. When she's not hitting the ball her arms are not that hard. Her and her sister look like athletic women. In highschool we had girls that looked like that and I don't believe any of them were juicing. Look at Serenas legs. They are like most athletic black women. Very muscular but not really cut. IMO the men that are making a big deal over this are insecure that a woman can be strong and powerful without AS.

Yes, but her serve was clocked at 123MPH!!!

When i was playing provincial tennis up in Canada when i was
18, mine was clocked at 119MPH and I weighed 30lbs more
than she does now!!!

Sampras' serve only goes 135 MPH. Serena's is just
10% slower.

Thats just not possible.

Plus, from reading about how maniacal their dad is, I wouldn't
put AAS use past him.

Fonz

 

[Haz]

I used a picture of Serena in midswing because its hard to tell how muscular someone is when relaxed. Thats why competitors FLEX at bodybuilding shows, to show exactly how large and hard their muscles are.

I thought I'd post a picture of a regular female tennis player (anna) in midswing so that you can see the HUGE difference to Serena.

How is a Anna supposed to compete with this MONSTER.

 

[Wombat]

I watched the US Open and I do not see what all the fuss is about. The picture of Serena on here is of her in mid swing. When she's not hitting the ball her arms are not that hard. Her and her sister look like athletic women. In highschool we had girls that looked like that and I don't believe any of them were juicing. Look at Serenas legs. They are like most athletic black women. Very muscular but not really cut. IMO the men that are making a big deal over this are insecure that a woman can be strong and powerful without AS.

I'll say it again---serena has put on over 10 pounds in a year----Steroids are used for more things then just getting hard---your saying that when she doesn't hit the ball, her arms don't look hard----Thats your basis of why she is not on gear------come on------have you ever watched a strong man comp? how many of them are hard as nails? not many--how many are on more gear then could fill a truck(most)

imo --your basing your theory that she is not on gear because men don't think women can be powerful without AS------very Niave'------and the serenas of the world are not a dime a dozen even though you stated how you had girls in high school that looked like her-----thats a stretch....the chix is put together and I think where the problem lies is in women or men who say she's not that big etc...of course the only women who would say that are ones that are either into bodybuilding/weight lifting and are comparing themselves to her......fact is she is pro tennis player---not a bodybuilder----but I would bet the house that if she took 2-3 years off and trained and dieted, she would be a top 10 national competitor(bodybuilding)that is hard for women who compete to swallow esp. if they have been doing this for so long and are not top 10 comp......men being insecure--hardly---uneducated being naive--probably----peace

 

[Haz]

Good point Wombat, if Serena started training she'd be winning bodybuilding comps left and right. Hell, I've been to a few local shows, and Serena could EASILY have won just the way she is NOW, LOL.

My money says she's juiced to the eyeballs.

I don't think any less of her just because she is on roids though. Thats the nature of sports competition. However, what it means is that other girls are going to have to start juicing and bulking up to be able to compete, which is a shame. Women's tennis was a place that cute feminine chicks had a chance of winning, but no longer. Serena has up'ed the ante.

 

[Wombat]

Good point Wombat, if Serena started training she'd be winning bodybuilding comps left and right. Hell, I've been to a few local shows, and Serena could EASILY have won just the way she is NOW, LOL.

My money says she's juiced to the eyeballs.

I don't think any less of her just because she is on roids though. Thats the nature of sports competition. However, what it means is that other girls are going to have to start juicing and bulking up to be able to compete, which is a shame. Women's tennis was a place that cute feminine chicks had a chance of winning, but no longer. Serena has up'ed the ante.

its no secret that jennifer caprieti wouldn't even be playing at the pro level without the help of gear.....although she has denied use, if one reads between the lines she has made comments to contrary.......When asked if she would be for steroid testing in the sport ---she has always said no way----very interesting considering she was busted in the past for rec-drug use.....One would think that she would be for drug testing considering her backround-----but it obvious to anyone who is listening why she and most others are against testing....

i'm with you, i don't think any less of athletes using---hell most medals in the olympics are won with guys all geared up or at the very least more GH in their system to kill a cat.....if more and more people get the heads up of whats going on, steroids just may be more excepted in our society------hell who on earth would have ever thunk that we would see commericals on T.V. about pills that make your dick hard in such an insecure society....

 

[Frisco Girl]

hell who on earth would have ever thunk that we would see commericals on T.V. about pills that make your dick hard in such an insecure society....

LOL LOL that was hilarious!

There are so many good points here, but i think that even if the girls are juicing or not juicing they play a damn good game! I've watched plenty of matches, and Serena especially impresses me. They are not the most attractive woman in the world but tennis isn't a beauty contest. They are there to play hard and win hard period. Seems to be that they are accomplishing their goals, so good for them! Rock on!!!!!


As far as Anna goes, in my opinion i think she is very pretty and "cute" tell you the truth, when i watch the sisters play i get a rise outta watching them blow their opponents outta the water, whe i watch Anna play, it's more watching her. So, in a beauty contest kinda way she's EXCELLENT!!! but sports id rather stick to the sisters..

Brad pitt is over rated in my book, and Keanue is tooo leanky gross!

 

[BronzedGoddess]

I put on 12 pounds in 8 weeks in basic training. Was I on gear? NO! Oh and my bf% went down.

 

[BronzedGoddess]

Maybe a thread like this belongs on C&C, not the womens board. We celebrate strength in women.

 

[TEXgrl]

I used a picture of Serena in midswing because its hard to tell how muscular someone is when relaxed. Thats why competitors FLEX at bodybuilding shows, to show exactly how large and hard their muscles are.

I thought I'd post a picture of a regular female tennis player (anna) in midswing so that you can see the HUGE difference to Serena.

How is a Anna supposed to compete with this MONSTER.

i think alot of the difference you see is genetics

 

[1911]

LOL! Is Serena Williams juicing? I'd only be shocked if it was proven she was not on!

 

[CanadianCripple]

Just for comparison:

Serena 5'10 145lbs

http://www.sportsline.com/tennis/players/playerpage/201739

Venus 6'1.5" 168lbs

http://www.sportsline.com/tennis/players/playerpage/201740

5'10 @ 145lbs doesn't sound outrageous, but I don't know why people (especially on this board) get so bent out of shape when it's suggested their favorite athlete might be using enhancing drugs. She's a professional athlete & all sports have their drug users... why not the top players in tennis? I just accept most use something and just enjoy the sport.

As for serve speed, it might be better to compare Serena's to Greg Rusedski's @ 149mph

 

[Wombat]

Maybe a thread like this belongs on C&C, not the womens board. We celebrate strength in women.

I in no way shape of form are trying to belittle what serena has done with her career...Of course I and no one here walks in her shoes so it is only a guess wether or not she does. And I truly don't care either way---I for one did not start this thread -however just like you, I have given my opinion...Its not right or wrong and neither is yours for until she writes a book and tells all, we will never know.....You have mentioned that it has to be an insecurity for us to think she is on gear and I say this to you------If I were to say I believe Ronnie Coleman takes steroids, is that an insecurity also?????Or that the professional female bodybuilders are juiced to the gills, is that an insecurity? Surly I don't walk in Ronnie shoes or any pro female bodybuilders shoes---I am just giving my opinion and their are no facts what so ever saying that ronnie or any female bodybuilder(pro) is taking any gear--again unless we are shooting them up ourselves, it is only a guess-----Just like serena-----and its so far from an insecurity to have an opinion....


the fact that you stated you have put on 12 pounds in 8 weeks all natty is great but I will again bet the house that serenas body weight jumps up and down 8 pounds in a day with 5 hour practace sessions and who knows how long she hits the weight room...

I guess I really don't understand why someones OPINION on what someone does or doesn't do effects you so much.....If we all didn't have opinions, this board would be next to useless.....

again I can't say FOR SURE wether she does or doesn't and neither can you....thats where we stand......Just like almost 85% of all threads on this board, their is no facts to back up most of them....Just opinions-----and I for one respect yours on this subject--as I respect and enjoy reading everyone elses...hope this answers your p.m......peace

 

[DownUnder23]

I seriously doubt it!

 

[vinylgroover]

Everyone has missed the most important fact in all this.

Tennis is far more aerobic than it is anaerobic. Competitors will play tournaments back to back and usually play up to 7 matches including the final in the space of 2 weeks.

How in gods name, can two women maintain their levels of muscularity with that sort of program without juicing. I too have played tennis, and there is no way that either of the sisters could have the time to workout on top of their schedule or 2. have the recuperative abilities to workout on top of playing such gruelling schedules. So then how the hell do they maintain their muscle mass?

 

[sceagle]

I think it would be pretty easy to figure out if Serena, Venus, Jen et all are on the juice - just get them to show you their clits - if they are packing a sausage down there, my money is on the juice...

 

[Realgains]

There is no question in my mind that she uses roids.

W6 made a good point...her size is attainable without roids but she has the steroid hardness look. Also she was not even close to that large a few years ago and then all of a sudden BOOM she is on top of the womens tennis world with unreal power and pretty big muscles.

Now give Anna steroids and she would kick her ass in less than a years time. Womens tennis is all about power and speed and steroid use gives pro's a huge advantage over non using ladies.

RG