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variation said:Who says something otc can't be effective, sure it can... as long as the FDA doesn't see problems with it, and if they do it's usually banned.. there is also plenty of illegal stuff that is weak.
variation said:Not fact, it really depends on quantity of and length of time HPTA supressive steroid is used... among other things, but supression before shut down, that's a little harsh.
Yes, fact. That includes non-aromatising compounds like Winstrol, Tren (yes Tren doesn't aromatise either), Anavar, Primo, etc. Here's a graph where 5 days of ox @ 15mgs a day significantly depressed htpa.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705/F3
What you have to say about that?
variation said:you're basically in agreement with him. He said pro-hormones "CAN be CONVERTED to some other hormone in the body"
but he was not suggesting that m1t was a prohormone, infact he stated that 1-testosterone is indeed a steroid.
Not that steroids can't also convert to other steroids in the body.
There seems to be a lot of confusion on elite when reading posts.
Posted by animal:
androstenedione, androstenediol, 5-androstenediol, among others will all aromatize and they are definitly pro-hormones.
Androstenedione - the chance of aromatisation prior to conversion is slim to nil and the low yield of eventual usable testosterone make this drug completely useless.
androstenediol - Target Hormone: 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) . What that mean??? Well, it means it doesn't amormatise!!!
5-androstenediol - this one is the biggest joke of all. 5-diol needs to convert to 4-diol before it becomes testosterone, making it a less effective conversion. All this does is stimulate estrogens in the body that are present.
variation said:
ulter, about when your once consideration of selling a m1t at af, if 20mg or so is an effective dose, then that leaves a lot of room in the capsule, which you could incorperate liver protectants/clensers, and sell it that way.
But really, I don't know how well these could protect against m1t, just an idea...
supreme said:JA
Good info, interesting that 1-test conversion to DHT is lower than with other compounds? Does it aromatize? I think I read that it can't
If these 2 are correct then perhaps 20mg for 2 weeks with the right liver protectors etc. may be a good thing? because the side that hit me the hardest are gyno & hair loss - hence my frequent contributions to RC's retirement fund & the Genetech vaction home.
Do you think the 4AD is necessary? - I had a bad stomach reaction to 4AD years ago
keep me posted
S
supreme said:now if you can if you can dig up info on the 17aa-ohn we were discussing maybe I won't need loans or won't have to sell my girlfreinds computer & stereo to pay for my upcoming cycles
Thanks
S