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Diablo's Xstasy
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted June 28, 2000 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
Someone told me what I always thought to be celulite is actually water pooling in my butt and legs. I was told that this was cause by smoking and poor diet etc..
Well i havent smoked a cigarette in 3 months and Ive gotten a lot better at my diet, but no matter how much cardio or lifting I do it isn't going away.
If this is water pooling is it possible that it is storing because I am not drinking enough water?
I know that I am not and I am trying to fix that Im just not a person who likes liquids that much.
So could this be storing like fat??

Thanks =o)
Dx

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WarLobo
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posted June 28, 2000 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Three months is a good start and I'm very proud of you for what your doing so far.... However, three months is a drop in the ocean. This new life style is going to take time. Far more time than you would ever have thought, and things will move so slow at times as to make you wonder if anything will ever happen. IT WILL, it just takes effort. Hang in there.

Late

Lobo

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missgalaxy
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted June 28, 2000 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for missgalaxy   Click Here to Email missgalaxy     Edit/Delete Message
Drinking more water will help. Your body will retain water, if your not drinking enough. I try to drink at least a gallon a day, usually one and a half. But i prefer water anyway oppose to sodas. Try a glass before each meal, it will help with your appetite too.

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JayeLynn
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posted June 28, 2000 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JayeLynn   Click Here to Email JayeLynn     Edit/Delete Message
cellulite was explained differently to me. It's just like other deposits of white fat, just lumpy in appearance. The lumps are actually caused by a breakdown of the fascia that encases your body like a wetsuit. Makes for an overstuffed pillow effect....after you've pulled it out of the dryer and the stuffing is all messed up.

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skydancer
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posted June 28, 2000 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skydancer   Click Here to Email skydancer     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 76679089
My understanding of cellulite is the same as JayeLynn's. Plain old fat that you can improve on with good eating, exercise and water. TIME AND PATIENCE TOO! Keep up the good work!

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 28, 2000 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
I was told that there are two kinds of lumps, Im not sure if I am going to get this right but it's something like this:
If its cheesy its water pooling in the body
if it looks like craters on the moon its celulite, something like that maybe I got it reversed...

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bikinimom
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posted June 28, 2000 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bikinimom   Click Here to Email bikinimom     Edit/Delete Message
Whether it is fat or water it can be gotten rid of ...but not overnite!!! It takes time and effort, but if you keep at it, YOU WILL SUCCEED! I used to hate cellulite, but now I've actually come to appreciate it. If it were not for the old "cheesage" I would have never pushed myself to reach my current physical condition. I would've been happy just to be a skinny-chick.

Skinny-chick ... BAD!!

BRICKHOUSE ... GOOD!!!

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FitnessChick
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posted June 28, 2000 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FitnessChick   Click Here to Email FitnessChick     Edit/Delete Message
to decrease your water, drink more( at least a gallon a day)....at first you will be slightly bloated, but once you start it consistsntly, your body will start to flush it out continuously....clean up your diet, train, keep the smoking habit kicked, and know that consistancy is key...as warlobo said, you havent been at it long at all, changes will come, just stick with it.

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Diablo's Xstasy
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posted June 28, 2000 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo's Xstasy   Click Here to Email Diablo's Xstasy     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks guys.. err.. gals.

This board is really keeping me motivated it's a little pick me up that my boyfriend just can't do for me.
I appreciate all the good advice and I'll be off training back, abs, and cardio tonight.
Did chest yesterday and it hurts to move, I love that feeling. =o)

Dx

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gymratgrl
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posted June 28, 2000 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gymratgrl   Click Here to Email gymratgrl     Edit/Delete Message
Cellulite is fat! Fat with water in the fat cell.

Cellulite is having more fat cells in that area. We are genetically predisposed whether we have it or not.

What you can do about it is drink more water(a lot), like so many have suggested already, and eat few dense carbs, and of course high sodium foods. This will cut down on the water retention you have and the dimples will be less noticable until you can get rid of the extra fat in that area.

It may not completely go away without lipo but the above will improve drasically.

speaking from experience.

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MS
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posted June 28, 2000 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Well here's far more info than any of you need. In summary, cellulite is inevitable in women as long as they have fat on their thighs! And no effective treatment for it exsists. Hope I've cheered you all up.


Some abstract summaries from recent research papers:

1)The anatomic basis of so-called cellulite, the hormonal basis for the clinical condition, the prevalence of it, the essential normality and inevitability of it in women, the supervention of it in hormonally feminized men, and the near futility of treating the non-disease are explored in this paper.

2)Much research must be undertaken before any of the treatments discussed can be validated as clinically effective. At present, it can be safely stated that there is no topical medication or manipulative process to which advanced cellulite visibly responds in a treatment period of less than 2 months.

3)In vitro and in vivo studies demonstrated that women had a diffuse pattern of irregular and discontinuous connective tissue immediately below the dermis, but this same layer of connective tissue was smooth and continuous in men. This connective tissue layer was more irregular and discontinuous in affected versus unaffected individuals. No significant differences were noted in subcutaneous adipose tissue morphology, lipolytic responsiveness, or regional blood flow between affected and unaffected sites within individuals. There is a sexual dimorphism in the structural characteristics of subdermal connective tissue that predisposes women to develop the irregular extrusion of adipose tissue into the dermis, which characterizes cellulite. These gender-related differences are diffuse and not localized only to affected areas. There is no evidence of any primary role for adipose tissue physiology, blood flow, or biochemistry in the etiology of cellulite, although the connective tissue of the female thigh is structured to accentuate differences in small subdermal adipose tissue depots.

4)Cellasene, a product containing Ginkgo biloba, sweet clover, sea-weed, grape seed oil, lecithins and evening primrose oil, has been marketed all over the world as a miracle cure for cellulite. As the efficacy of the product was in doubt, a parallel placebo-controlled clinical study was undertaken in a group of women to see whether the product had any effect on cellulite, or on the body weight, fat content, circumference of thighs, hips, etc. No significant changes were found in these parameters compared with the starting values, nor compared with the placebo control after a 2 month course of Cellasene, except for an increase in the cellulite, assessed by the author, compared with that initially. Seven of 11 women taking Cellasene gained weight.The weight gain was apparent after the first 2 weeks, and all women had to reduce their food consumption.


5)Cellulite is a common phenomenon that particularly affects the thighs and buttocks of women. Little scientific evidence exists to support any of the many advertised treatments for it. A total of 52 of 69 women, who were divided into three groups, completed a 12-week, randomized, controlled trial in which the effectiveness of two different treatments for cellulite was assessed. The patients acted as their own controls. The treatments investigated were twice-daily application of aminophylline cream and twice-weekly treatment with Endermologie ES1. Group 1 (double blind) received aminophylline to one thigh/buttock and a placebo cream to the other. Group 2 (singly blind) received Endermologie to one thigh/buttock. Group 3 received Endermologie to both sides and used the same cream regimen as group 1. Results were assessed subjectively by the patient and by clinical examination and photographic assessment by the surgeon (before and after the trial). Morphologic assessment included body mass index, thigh girth at two points, and thigh fat depth measurement by ultrasound. No statistical difference existed in measurements between legs for any of the treatment groups (paired t test, p > 0.4). The best subjective assessment, by the patients themselves, revealed that only 3 of 35 aminophylline-treated legs and 10 of 35 Endermologie-treated legs had their cellulite appearance improved. The authors do not believe that either of these two treatments is effective in improving the appearance of cellulite.

6)There are glaring discrepancies in the microanatomical descriptions of cellulite in the literature. We revisited this common skin condition in women with a microscopic examination of 39 autopsy specimens. A control group consisted of 4 women and 11 men showing no evidence of cellulite. The lumpy aspect of the dermohypodermal interface appeared to represent a gender-linked characteristic of the thighs and buttocks without being a specific sign of cellulite. Incipient cellulite identified by the mattress phenomenon was related to the presence of focally enlarged fibrosclerotic strands partitioning the subcutis. Such strands possibly serve as a physiologic buttress against fat herniation limiting the outpouching of fat lobules on pinching the skin. These structures might represent a reactive process to sustained hypodermal pressure caused by fat accumulation. Full-blown cellulite likely represents subjugation of the hypertrophic response when connective tissue is overcome by progressive fat accumulation. Histologic aspects reminiscent of stretch marks are identified within the hypodermal strands, resulting in clinical skin dimpling.


7)Glycosaminoglycans are a group of polysaccharide chains covalently linked to proteins to form proteoglycan molecules with high water-attracting properties. The ultrastructural localization of glycosaminoglycans in the so-called cellulite skin and in normal subjects was studied. Data show that there is increasing concentration of glycosaminoglycans in the cellulite skin, presumably leading to a rise in the amount of water retained in the skin in this disease.

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skydancer
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted June 28, 2000 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skydancer   Click Here to Email skydancer     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 76679089
MS - I just love your posts....if my brain can comprehend what you are saying!! LOL! So in laymens terms, we are screwed but hard work sometimes pays off??

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Artemis
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posted June 28, 2000 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Artemis   Click Here to Email Artemis     Edit/Delete Message
Supposedly the typical liposuction likely won't fix it and may even make dimples worse. The dimpling is in the superficial layers, but most lipo is done in the subcutaneous deep.

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