posted June 26, 2000 04:17 PM            

what the FUCK are you talking about?!

sorry if that sounded rude, and i know different things work for different people, but what you said makes no sense. you just told this guy to stay away from carbs after 12:00. now this might make sense if he was on a kd, but in that case he wouldn't be eating any carbs at all.

and what the fuck...carbs and fat do not "make you chubby". in fact, eating a good mix of carbs, fat, and protein is going to slow everything down which is GOOD, regardless if you're trying to build muscle or lose fat. you know why it's good? it's because the INSULIN spike, say it with me, "INSULIN SPIKE", is not going to be as drastic.

for example, if you eat a plain piece of white bread, which has a gi value 90 or so i think (if you know what gi is), it's going to cause a much more rapid rise (and consequent fall) in blood sugar than if you had a piece of white bread with peanut butter and then a piece of beef jerky (this is just an example). after a workout is an ideal time to have carbs just plain, but certainly not in the morning, as you want a steady stream of energy for the beginning part of the day. this is just the quick version...i don't have time to get into it all, but please don't go telling people shit like don't eat carbs with fat and don't eat them after 12.

posted June 26, 2000 06:05 PM            

Sorry i thought he/she just wanted to lose weight.

posted June 26, 2000 07:14 PM            

so here we go...in a calm manner hehe...the healthiest diet is one that has a mix of carbs, protein, and fat in every meal. hands down. sure you can have your kd's and all that other shit, but noone ever said those were absolutely healthy for you...they just help you lose weight.

as for the question, personally i would never sit down and have a meal of just carbs and fat, and definitely not just carbs. a meal of nothing but carbs fucks with my blood sugar too much, as far as i'm concerned. always gotta have the protein in there. what i'm sayin is that there's nothing wrong with starchy carbs and fat as long as there's some protein. noone in their right mind would eat a meal without protein anyways though, right? ;-) hell, starchy carbs and fat is a hell of a lot better than just carbs by themselves.

posted June 26, 2000 07:49 PM            

There is no 'right way' or 'wrong way' to diet. The Atkins/CKD/Body Opus will work, the high protein/medium carb/Low fat works too, as does the isocaloric or Zone types of diets. The only thing that ultimately matters is choosing one and sticking with it. Don't mix and match. The important similarity between all of these (I'm assuming weight-loss is the goal) diets is that they're ALL high protein. As Adawg said, you'd be nuts (if you're a bodybuilder) to have a meal without a decent amount of protein in it. When mixed with lots of proteins the GI is not AS critical as eating the carbs by themselves. And without a large GI response the fat is not too critical either as long as calories in is less than calories burned.

But starch and fat without protein=not good idea.

posted June 26, 2000 10:15 PM            

Faith, as you can see there is (and I suspect will always be) a lot of disagreement on this and many other dietary questions. I think you hit it on the head when you said ridiculous obsession about carbs. It seems the more people obsess over carbs and macronutrient ratios, the more obese society gets. That was what I meant by calories in= calories burned still being the single most important factor in successful weightloss. I would rather see people obsess a bit more about the TYPES of carbs (and fats) consumed rather than the quantity.

Peace and health to you all