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Liquid 2009

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What's up TRT bros!?

I'm curious as to what TRT everyone is on currently? What were you on before?

When you went to the doctor to get on TRT what dose did you start out at? How many times was it changed? And are you feeling a lot more positive effects from original dosage to current? What were the key factors to needing a change in dose?

I started at 200mgs every 2 weeks. I knew that was not going to last long as it's way too spread out. Got bloodwork that showed a huge decrease that second week and then was given 200mgs every 10 days. Then went to 250mgs and now currently at 300mgs every 10 days.

You think I will see a lot more muscle gains at this level? It's a pretty decent dose in terms of TRT numbers. What do you do for your body to not get "used to it"? I was not given HCG or anything for estrogen control.

Would love to hear everyone's feedback!!
 
Your doc sounds willing but uninformed. even a week is too long to go without something.

Your doc is changing things up and doing labs which is good but he is experimenting on your dime and its not necessary.

I would simply tell him you have talked with a few friends who are on TRT and have been through all this and you would like to make a suggestion.

Tell him you will stick to his dose of 300mg in 10 days BUT your going to shoot 150mg every 5 days.

OR

ask for some HCG and do 100mg test a week on say saturday and do 700iu HCG on tues. The HCG will keep the testis working and give you a little 2 day natural test bump.

Your need for an anti-e should be based on your E levels which he should be checking and if not request he does and use adex accordingly.
 
I am 51 years old and have been on TRT for a year, 100mg test cyp every week. It builds up in the body and evens out at 200mg per week due to it's half life. I had a solid road cycling base but have hit the gym for the last 13 months and have dropped to 13% body fat at 5'9" and 160 pounds. Recovery is so evident from the test and muscle mass is much easier to put on if I can stay in an anabolic state. It is easier in the winter when I don't ride my bike every day.

I don't think my doc has anyone else on injections and think he is just kind of figuring the TRT thing with me. I had a T level of over 1300 12 hours after injection and it alarmed him. I had to remind him that he asked me to get my latest bloods right after injection and not on the last day before injection.

My buddy is on Testim gel and it really doesn't do much for his levels. I am trying to get him on board with injections but he is apprehensive about needles.

I see the doc next week for my annual physical so will report back with his comments.
 
Liquid 2009 said:
What's up TRT bros!?

I'm curious as to what TRT everyone is on currently? What were you on before?

When you went to the doctor to get on TRT what dose did you start out at? How many times was it changed? And are you feeling a lot more positive effects from original dosage to current? What were the key factors to needing a change in dose?

I started at 200mgs every 2 weeks. I knew that was not going to last long as it's way too spread out. Got bloodwork that showed a huge decrease that second week and then was given 200mgs every 10 days. Then went to 250mgs and now currently at 300mgs every 10 days.

You think I will see a lot more muscle gains at this level? It's a pretty decent dose in terms of TRT numbers. What do you do for your body to not get "used to it"? I was not given HCG or anything for estrogen control.

Would love to hear everyone's feedback!!
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I would definitely tell him to drop you to 200mg every 7 days or don't say anything and do 150mg every 5 days. You'll see a big difference cause 10 days is too long. I take 200mg every Saturday and my levels stay in the 1200-1300 range. My last bloods came in at 1296.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~
 
jcnuts said:
I would definitely tell him to drop you to 200mg every 7 days or don't say anything and do 150mg every 5 days. You'll see a big difference cause 10 days is too long. I take 200mg every Saturday and my levels stay in the 1200-1300 range. My last bloods came in at 1296.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~
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What is the rate in drop of Test levels per day?

Since I've been doing every 10 day injections my bloodwork is done every 5th day post injection. How do you determine what your levels range from between those 10 days? I'm sure if I tested it 24-48 hours post injection it will be a lot higher than the 5th and the 10th day.

At what doses of TRT does prostate issues really become an issue? Is my dose something that can lead into those issues long term?
 
Liquid 2009 said:
What is the rate in drop of Test levels per day?

Since I've been doing every 10 day injections my bloodwork is done every 5th day post injection. How do you determine what your levels range from between those 10 days? I'm sure if I tested it 24-48 hours post injection it will be a lot higher than the 5th and the 10th day.

At what doses of TRT does prostate issues really become an issue? Is my dose something that can lead into those issues long term?
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Everyone is different as to the daily drop in test. Yes if you were to test 24-48 they would be at the highest cause that's when Cyp peaks but that's not what a doctor should be looking at. He should be looking at the number on day 7. Since your doc does yours every 5 with a shot of 150mg you should stay between 900-1100 which would be high normal, and exactly where you want to be. As far as prostate issues there are none. Find me anything about prostate issues and cancer and I'll find you 10 more that say no way cause there have been zero long term studies on this.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~
 
I'm taking 200mg test cyp/wk. I feel great and and all of my previous symptoms are gone. As far as muscle gains are concerned, I can only comment on my experience, but I gained 25 lbs of solid muscle in the last 12 months on my TRT dose only. But I will add that I am religious about getting in my work outs, ensuring that my diet is consistent with my goals, and that I have the right level of intensity in the gym. The short answer is that you should grow on that amount if everything else is in check.
 
The body can tolerate some pretty huge fluctuations in hormones and in nutrients. Keep your body within lab range of test and problems should be minimal. Most prostate issues come from lack of iodine, selenium, magnesium and zinc.
 
My scripts are: 10 mg topical cream compound applied daily, 1 iu HGH EOD, and 0.5 adex once every 84 hours.
The muscle gain is similar to being natural. No prostate problems.

When you do a cycle such as test p + deca at 250 total every 84 hours, you'll need to double the adex. You'll get sides, larger prostate and big muscles.
 
Does anyone's insurance cover brand name if they choose over generic?

I can get the Watson no problem but the brand is so much better. The pharmacist was telling me that certain medications generics over brand do not matter but when it comes to hormones, she recommended the brand.

I'm just not sure if my insurance will cover brand. I'm definitely going to try and push for it. I just know it was pretty expensive for a 10ML bottle brand name over the couple of dollars I pay for the generics.
 
Liquid 2009 said:
What's up TRT bros!?

I'm curious as to what TRT everyone is on currently? What were you on before?

When you went to the doctor to get on TRT what dose did you start out at? How many times was it changed? And are you feeling a lot more positive effects from original dosage to current? What were the key factors to needing a change in dose?

I started at 200mgs every 2 weeks. I knew that was not going to last long as it's way too spread out. Got bloodwork that showed a huge decrease that second week and then was given 200mgs every 10 days. Then went to 250mgs and now currently at 300mgs every 10 days.

You think I will see a lot more muscle gains at this level? It's a pretty decent dose in terms of TRT numbers. What do you do for your body to not get "used to it"? I was not given HCG or anything for estrogen control.

Would love to hear everyone's feedback!!
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I was started with 150mg. a week back in Nov., 2009, a very weak dose in my opinion. This continued until there was a made-up scare at Watson declaring an entire batch of TEST had became contaminated with a letter and all came in the mail. The VA switched over to Pfizer which cut the vials to 200mg/ml!!!

The TRT clinic is now laughable.
Plus the clinic has never given me any HCG, AI's, nor given me blood tests for estradiol. It's all been a fucking joke.
 
I don't think 150mgs a week is a very weak dosage in a TRT perspective. It's actually very nice as a starting point. Most I hear about start off with much less at about 200mg every 2 weeks.

150mgs a week will put someone in the upper high range. It's weak in terms of bodybuilding doses but this is much different.

I never went to one of those TRT clinics. I went to my endocrinologist and was able to figure out the proper dosage after several blood tests with different dosages. Not saying that all TRT clinics are bad but it's a much different experience from them to an endo.

What are you doing now in 2014 since starting at 150mg a week? Do you take much more?
 
I've been slacking in the gym too long these past years and decided to get serious for once in my life while I still have a little bit of vitality left in me.
I've decided to up my dose to 3ml-5ml. every month for the rest of my life. I know it going sounds quite irresponsible, wasteful, and dangerous, but what the hell.
Last night, I kicked it off with a 5ml. injection. Approximately 1,850mg. I'm going to get down to business.
Monday, Feb.3rd at 5:00AM in the gym will mark a new beginning in my life something that I should have done years ago.
 
5ml in one shot? Why? What's the reasoning behind that? So is that your one and only shot for the month?

I think you need to rethink your strategy? And if you took Test C (prescription) it was more like 1000mgs and not 1850.
 
Yes it was a 5ml. shot with I know is over the top. The reasoning? None whatsoever. That's my one and only shot for each and every month.
My calculations were a bit off here. I've been mixing 200mg./1ml of Test C, 1,000mg/5ml of Test E, and Super Test 450 at 450mg/5ml = 2,250mg with 4ml. of USP grape seed oil to cut the pain of the Stealth ST 450. You're on the ball and I stand corrected on my dosage.
It comes to roughly 1,150mg/5ml. per injection. Before I did my first injection years ago, I did some research. I took into consideration the time for AAS to begin assimilating, 48hours to 3-4 days with a duration of up to 4-5 weeks inside my system. Then I thought, inject every week, every 2 weeks or just once a month? I chose once a month.

Thanks to you, I'm going to cut down my monthly injections to 700mg/2ml. and that should be enough to sustain my physical activities along with a 300mg/1ml. of Deca to aid and sustain my joints putting me at the 1,000mg. mark a month. Be safe L2.
 
Damn, bro... I don't think this is the best approach and I would highly advise against it. I get what you're thinking of how it may make sense but it's not really the way it should be done. You can not just inject it once a month the total amount and expect it to be most effective way.

That total dose in one shot I think will do more harm than good. By March 1st you will feel like shit because your total T blood levels will be crashed.

It's not good from any stand point really - TRT, bodybuilding or even feeling better aspect. The only one I have heard people taking once a month was Nebido. Undecanoate. Which is a long last Testosterone. But that's not the case here.

Trust me on this. Do a little more research here.
 
Liquid 2009 said:
Damn, bro... I don't think this is the best approach and I would highly advise against it. I get what you're thinking of how it may make sense but it's not really the way it should be done. You can not just inject it once a month the total amount and expect it to be most effective way.

That total dose in one shot I think will do more harm than good. By March 1st you will feel like shit because your total T blood levels will be crashed.

It's not good from any stand point really - TRT, bodybuilding or even feeling better aspect. The only one I have heard people taking once a month was Nebido. Undecanoate. Which is a long last Testosterone. But that's not the case here.

Trust me on this. Do a little more research here.
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I understand your point and it is well taken. Nebido is something I will definitely research and possibly acquire. However, my good man, I'm not going to stop doing something that I've been doing close to a decade.
 
When I was on TRT (when I had insurance...) I self titrated and worked up to 400 a week t-cyp, that was way too much after a few weeks (insomnia HBP etc). tried 200 every 5 days, I leveled off and cruised at 300 every 5 days (I weighed 250 at the time)

Every 7 days was too much of a seesaw.
I think that if I was offered a much lower dose such as 200 a week, I would do 400 every 2 and use test boosters in between to bring up natty.
 
I haven't checked my email in a while and read the above post.

I envy you guys that inject every 5-7 days or 2 weeks. I gave it some thought way back then, but I decided against it and went for the once a month injection instead.
I'm still going strong with my 1.5gm. injections. I have no "seesaw" effect nor do I feel like shit by the end of each month. I've decided to inject every 25th of each month and take some orals at 40-50mg a day for 5-6 days prior to the first of each month. So far 6 months now and I feel like a CHAMP! My doctor says my blood work and urine samples are better than normal and very good for a man over 50 years old. However, my PCP, a female doctor, suggested that I try TRT at 200-300mg. every 2 weeks!!! I laughed.
 
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