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There's been a lot of talk about how ths is a steroid forum and too many sponser push their products and there have been valid arguments on both sides of the issue. But let's cut through all that for a minute and get to the point. Do supplements serve any purpose for guys on gear? That depends on what you want.
Let me first say that I'm one of the first authors to speak out against the steroid industry. I worte an expose back in '98 which uncovered the smarmy tactics of many of the then popular companies. I was the first to uncover the ZMA scam and was even quoted in the book about Barry Bonds (Game of Shadows) on BALCO's slimey tactics back when they were just selling garbage supplements. I was the first to speak out against Pat Arnold and the inneffectiveness of prohormones. I was told I was crazy.
Hell, the company I design my supps for sell some stuff that I tell people not to bother using. In both of my books I cite dozens of popular supplements that are complete garbage. I also speak about some ingredients that are helpful. Those are the ones I use in my products and those are the ones I believe in. I would never endorse a BS supp and believe me, I've been offered good money to do so.
Okay, so now that THAT is out of the way, why should anyone use a supp that will increase testosterone 10% when they can just shoot another 500 mgs of testosterone cypionate? Why should someone take nutrients for the thyroid when they can buy T3 for 20 bucks? Why should someone use a superior protein when 90% of their gain will be coming fron the trenbolone and any crap they eat will grow muscle? Why should someone improve blood quality when an Abomb will double red blood cell count in a matter of hours?
The answer to all of these are the same, and they're twofold.
One: Some guys want every advantage they can get. And even if a drug is giving them a 1000% advantage, they'll take and extra 5% more. That's what hardcore bodybuilding is all about. And that's what a supplment is supposed to do -- SUPPLEMENT.
And two: Steroids pose some risks and if there's something that can done to minimize those risks AND actually enhance the effectiveness of a cycle without the burden of more drugs, that's a huge advantage in some people's minds.
And that's really all there is to it. Now, if this doesn't matter to you, fine. There's no need to squawk and complain and berat those who do. There's no need to compare a supplement to a drug because there's no comparison.
Some guys choose to just use supps. If that's the case, choose wisely.
Some guys choose to use only drugs. That's their perogative.
But most serious bodybuilders use a combination in order to get the best, longest lasting results. It's a lifestyle.
Hell, the oldtimers used to swallow desicatted liver and yeast and germ oil they sold at vet supply houses...ANYTHING that might give them an slight advantage or a little more nutritional support. They were that dedicated.
Today, there are so many more and better options. A lot more crap too! But that's why we're here -- to learn, debate, discover and decide what is worth using and what is a waste. When people come on and attack others, all that potential for knowledge goes down the drain.
So whenever a sponser makes a pitch for his product, listen up. If it's not for you, you'll know it. But there is so much good stuff from which to choose, it makes no sense to get into a pissing match over the merits of this or that or the advertising aproach of one guy or another.
It takes a lot more time to complain than it does to just move on to the next post. And trust me...no one thinks of you as a "savior" of the board for doing so. Debate, sure. Question, absolutely. But have something to say beyond mere derision and a snotty attitude.
In the meantime, there are a lot of good bros here , many expert vets, who are willing to talk about any and every aspect of bodybuilding -- training, supps, steroids, diet, you name it. Where else are you going to get that? Be grateful. Thanks.
Let me first say that I'm one of the first authors to speak out against the steroid industry. I worte an expose back in '98 which uncovered the smarmy tactics of many of the then popular companies. I was the first to uncover the ZMA scam and was even quoted in the book about Barry Bonds (Game of Shadows) on BALCO's slimey tactics back when they were just selling garbage supplements. I was the first to speak out against Pat Arnold and the inneffectiveness of prohormones. I was told I was crazy.
Hell, the company I design my supps for sell some stuff that I tell people not to bother using. In both of my books I cite dozens of popular supplements that are complete garbage. I also speak about some ingredients that are helpful. Those are the ones I use in my products and those are the ones I believe in. I would never endorse a BS supp and believe me, I've been offered good money to do so.
Okay, so now that THAT is out of the way, why should anyone use a supp that will increase testosterone 10% when they can just shoot another 500 mgs of testosterone cypionate? Why should someone take nutrients for the thyroid when they can buy T3 for 20 bucks? Why should someone use a superior protein when 90% of their gain will be coming fron the trenbolone and any crap they eat will grow muscle? Why should someone improve blood quality when an Abomb will double red blood cell count in a matter of hours?
The answer to all of these are the same, and they're twofold.
One: Some guys want every advantage they can get. And even if a drug is giving them a 1000% advantage, they'll take and extra 5% more. That's what hardcore bodybuilding is all about. And that's what a supplment is supposed to do -- SUPPLEMENT.
And two: Steroids pose some risks and if there's something that can done to minimize those risks AND actually enhance the effectiveness of a cycle without the burden of more drugs, that's a huge advantage in some people's minds.
And that's really all there is to it. Now, if this doesn't matter to you, fine. There's no need to squawk and complain and berat those who do. There's no need to compare a supplement to a drug because there's no comparison.
Some guys choose to just use supps. If that's the case, choose wisely.
Some guys choose to use only drugs. That's their perogative.
But most serious bodybuilders use a combination in order to get the best, longest lasting results. It's a lifestyle.
Hell, the oldtimers used to swallow desicatted liver and yeast and germ oil they sold at vet supply houses...ANYTHING that might give them an slight advantage or a little more nutritional support. They were that dedicated.
Today, there are so many more and better options. A lot more crap too! But that's why we're here -- to learn, debate, discover and decide what is worth using and what is a waste. When people come on and attack others, all that potential for knowledge goes down the drain.
So whenever a sponser makes a pitch for his product, listen up. If it's not for you, you'll know it. But there is so much good stuff from which to choose, it makes no sense to get into a pissing match over the merits of this or that or the advertising aproach of one guy or another.
It takes a lot more time to complain than it does to just move on to the next post. And trust me...no one thinks of you as a "savior" of the board for doing so. Debate, sure. Question, absolutely. But have something to say beyond mere derision and a snotty attitude.
In the meantime, there are a lot of good bros here , many expert vets, who are willing to talk about any and every aspect of bodybuilding -- training, supps, steroids, diet, you name it. Where else are you going to get that? Be grateful. Thanks.
