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Del_Piero

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Hi people, I need some suggestions/advice. I am 23 and weight JUST 143 pounds and that is bad, very bad. I have been training over 1 and half years, basically to gain weight. During this time I have forced fed my self (not enjoyable at all), but only put on about 10 pounds. I have really fast metabolism, which means I struggle to keep weight on. I've had just about enough, so am considering going on gear, but dont know which is best, least side affects etc. I dont want any gear that requires injecting but tablets are fine. Are there any alternatives to gear to gain weight, apart from force feeding my self, milkshakes (which don’t work, tried them) and people recommending eat 4 eggs in the morning and have 8 meals a day, thats like asking for a miracle to happen (for me). Or does any1 have an example of routine food intake plan, maybe if I follow that I may gain something. Can any1 please help!!!! Thanx
 
the best advice i can give you is to hire a really good personal trainer to show you proper form and core exercises that'll build mass.

i'd stay away from gear right now alltogether.

learning to enjoy the pain is lesson #1
 
However much you're eating, you ned to eat more.

Instead of milkshakes make protein shakes with whole milk.

Nibble olives and nuts all day long. You can easily add an extra 1000 calories a day this way.

Have a carb drink or two during your workout. That's an extra 500 calories right there.

Do no more than 10 sets a workout every other day with as heavy a weight as you can handle with good form. There are no magic workouts for gaining weight.

Get an extra hour of sleep every nght.

Believe me, you will gain weight.
 
Del_Piero Hi people, I need some suggestions/advice. I am 23 and weight JUST 143 pounds and that is bad, very bad. I have been training over 1 and half years, basically to gain weight. During this time I have forced fed my self (not enjoyable at all), but only put on about 10 pounds. I have really fast metabolism, which means I struggle to keep weight on. I've had just about enough, so am considering going on gear, but dont know which is best, least side affects etc. I dont want any gear that requires injecting but tablets are fine. Are there any alternatives to gear to gain weight, apart from force feeding my self, milkshakes (which don’t work, tried them) and people recommending eat 4 eggs in the morning and have 8 meals a day, thats like asking for a miracle to happen (for me). Or does any1 have an example of routine food intake plan, maybe if I follow that I may gain something. Can any1 please help!!!! Thanx

hey bro,

I'm not sure if you should consider juicing at the moment cos you should try as Nelson mentioned above first, however, if you really must use gear then here's a link to do abit of research on, its very good as i use it myself now and again for references!!

http://www.steroidtips.com

Anyhow, when i first started training about over 3 years ago, it was difficult as first cos I had to start with low poundages to get proper form, i had to do core exercises to build strength such as the following:

barbell chest presses, squats, deadlifts

so i spent the first training year learning and in my 2nd and 3rd year i gained and gained mass. its important to eat calories, carbs and protein. protein at 1.5-2g/lb bodyweight, 3-4g carbs/lb bodyweight and calories can be as much as 3000-4000 a day. this is a mass building diet. its best to eat 6-7 small meals a day to body is constantly getting fuel and keep it in a positive nitrogen state!!! have 3-4 protein shakes a day. Also, VERY IMPORTANT to have a pre-workout protein shake and another shake straight after a workout plus extra carbs cos your body needs it. there's a window of 30mins after a workout to have that shake or your body will enter catabolic state!!

And if can try creatine 10g a day (some take as much as 20g, but not necessary), creatine kicks in around a week of taking it cos of the loading phase is around 4-6 days. creatine gives you added strength because of ATP conversion in your muscle. drink plenty of water as well. the carbs and creatine will give you a fuller look.

The score is to gain strength to build muscle, more strength lift heavier gain more mass (you can also up the intensity). got that!!

the long essay above should help you on your way, thats how i started. but like i said if you really must juice then check out the link.

keeping pumping bro ;)
 
in all honesty it just sounds like your genetically screwed, try what NM said. goodluck
 
I put a friend on twice this amout of food who was 155 lbs at 6'2"

6:00 AM
6 KRISPY CREAM DONUTS W/ PROTEIN DRINK

8:00 AM
6 EGG OMLETTE OR PANCAKES(W/ SAUSAGES) W/ LITER OF OJ

10:00 AM
GREEK SALAD W/PROTEIN DRINK

NOON
MEDIUM PIZZA OR KFC W/ SODA

2:00 PM
12 OZ OF CHOCOLATE OR CANDY W/ SODA

4:00 PM
DOUBLE BACAN WHOPPER W/ CHEESE, L FRI'S, L MILK SHAKE

6:00 PM
MRP OR MAKE YOUR OWN

8:00 PM
1/2 GALLON OF ICE CREAM OR BAG OF CHIPS

10:00 PM
12 OZ OF STEAK OR CHICKEN


You will grow, if you start to put on fat, get rid of the one or two meals.
 
OK. I have plenty of experience here. First, learn all you can by considering this board as one big non-fiction book on bulking up, and read small amount of it every day to educate yourself about bb, aas, Test, etc.

Listen, as a child, I was put on all the known powder drinks of the time (anyone remember meritine?) With little improvement. I had some of my best gains before now with a Nautilus workout that was direct from the company (a once a month Nautilus negative session followed by raising of plates.) I cannot tell a lie, I have had great body composition improvements even with seven years 'full blown' AIDS with free-weight workouts, AAS, and Test (as well as Avandia to improve my appetite). I needed a lot of guidance from this board and the people on it to understand the changes that were occurring in my body and it has been appriatiave. Take your time and read as much as you can on here to improve your knowledge about your own body's working.
 
Everyone has given great advice. I'll just give a little anecdote because I know how hard it can be for some ectomorphs to gain weight.

Last year my friend who was 6'6" and 185lbs in september wanted to gain some weight. He was a fucking bean pole and also a collegiate rower. He wanted to add some mass and strength to stay competitive in a strong rowing program. I gave him pretty much all the same advice as everyone here. He started eating more meals and eating lots of protein and complex carbs. I ate with him every day to make sure what he was eating. By November he was up to 200lbs with minimal fat gain, if any.

But for a month he couldn't gain shit and he decided to take matters into his own hands. He stopped worrying so much about eating clean, and started drinking a few n-large weightgainers every day in addition to some creatine. He would also drink 3 of those Hershey's cookies and cream bottled milkshakes with each meal. They're just loaded with sugar and fat, and over 600 calories a bottle. He was just eating everything in sight and by March had hit 220 despite a back injury which limited his training.

If you really have a hard time gaining mass, but NEVER get fat, just fucking eat and make sure you're getting a lot of protein. I wouldn't recommend just eating all that shit like my friend did. Try to eat cleanly at first and see how far you can get that way. But at a point it will just be total calories holding you back and it can be tough to just eat more "clean" foods.
 
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Just wanted to add something. Nelson hit on it with the olives and nuts tip. Eat plenty of EFA's (good fats). Lots of people use flax seed oil for this, but I gave up on that because I just couldn't stand the taste anymore. Now I eat plenty of olive oil. My snack meals consist of tuna and olive oil with a bit of tabasco for taste. I'm telling you, the olive oil helps tremendously. It's full of EFA's and helps me increase my calories quite easily. Plus I like the taste. If you're not a big fan of olive oil, try adding a bunch of natural peanut butter to your diet. You'll get some more protein and EFA's that way.

Check out the diet board and the muscle food board. Do some searches for bulking for ectomorphs.

You'll also want to make sure you're training properly to maximize your gains. I've been lifting for 6 years and I still learn things from the training board.
 
E23 said:
I put a friend on twice this amout of food who was 155 lbs at 6'2"

6:00 AM
6 KRISPY CREAM DONUTS W/ PROTEIN DRINK

8:00 AM
6 EGG OMLETTE OR PANCAKES(W/ SAUSAGES) W/ LITER OF OJ

10:00 AM
GREEK SALAD W/PROTEIN DRINK

NOON
MEDIUM PIZZA OR KFC W/ SODA

2:00 PM
12 OZ OF CHOCOLATE OR CANDY W/ SODA

4:00 PM
DOUBLE BACAN WHOPPER W/ CHEESE, L FRI'S, L MILK SHAKE

6:00 PM
MRP OR MAKE YOUR OWN

8:00 PM
1/2 GALLON OF ICE CREAM OR BAG OF CHIPS

10:00 PM
12 OZ OF STEAK OR CHICKEN


You will grow, if you start to put on fat, get rid of the one or two meals.

with that diet he will gain nothing but fat! sorry bro but that is a terrible diet plan for anybody trying to gain.
 
E23 said:
I put a friend on twice this amout of food who was 155 lbs at 6'2"

6:00 AM
6 KRISPY CREAM DONUTS W/ PROTEIN DRINK

8:00 AM
6 EGG OMLETTE OR PANCAKES(W/ SAUSAGES) W/ LITER OF OJ

10:00 AM
GREEK SALAD W/PROTEIN DRINK

NOON
MEDIUM PIZZA OR KFC W/ SODA

2:00 PM
12 OZ OF CHOCOLATE OR CANDY W/ SODA

4:00 PM
DOUBLE BACAN WHOPPER W/ CHEESE, L FRI'S, L MILK SHAKE

6:00 PM
MRP OR MAKE YOUR OWN

8:00 PM
1/2 GALLON OF ICE CREAM OR BAG OF CHIPS

10:00 PM
12 OZ OF STEAK OR CHICKEN


You will grow, if you start to put on fat, get rid of the one or two meals.

yeah ,lol, real sound advise buddy. I wounder what your bf% is
 
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Well, he said he already force fed himself. His only other alternative is not to eat clean. Clean food has too much fiber in it to ingest over 7,000 kcals per day.

bicepts101, you got me on that one... :o

"I'm not fat, I'm festivily plump"

A month ago that would have been applicable. That argument is no longer valid since I have 38" waist, 281 lbs at 5'8"- 5'9 1/2". My BF % is currently unkown. I've also been clean for over 1 1/2 years.
 
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