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Positives: 1) Colorful, clear vision 2) Better able to form clear connection between related ideas 3) Increased verbal skills 4) Decreased perception of exertion ie. running on a treadmill with my heartrate at 190+Beats per minute felt more like 180+

Negatives: 1) Occasional transient nausea 2) Slight aggitation 3) Occasional insomnia which has subsided at 2nd week.

Let it be known that I am also taking thermorexin.
 
Macro my mom and I are going to split a bottle soon, she's a software engineer and I'm me so we'll both be able to provide some feedback

1 bottle lasts a month, do you think that 2 weeks is long enough to see results? I'll be using the full 3 dosage
 
macro - you're free to post the feedback from the email i sent you a while back. don't know what i did with that thing... (obviously strip out my contact nfo :))
 
Originally emailed by DaMan
Neurogenex: On day 5 so far. Other stack has been 3200mg Piracetam,
(down to) 4.5mg Hydergine, 400mg DMAE, 1g Choline. Have been taking
that stack for ca. 3 weeks now. Taking 2 Neuro AM, 2 PM. No
suggestions yet (well, one, add more vinpo) so my observations:

-The first day I felt an eerie inner calm. I could think straight and
uninhibited. FYI I have a mild case of EDD. That feeling was
incredible.

-The second and subsequent days I started going on a low-carb diet.
Definitely dumbed me down, and the neuros were not as potent as usual.
I have had several "stupid days" since then...

-Memory is WAY up. Even after the lowcarbing. Nothing feelable, but
when I filed an insurance claim and the lady read my my 8-digit claim
number I was able to remember it an hour later without having written it
down or repeatedly said it out loud. I usually can't do that :) I can
also remember people's faces - even from LONG time ago - MUCH clearer.

-No improvement in visual acuity whatsoever. I'm really nearsighted,
may have something to do with it.

-I've been "tripping up" lately... having harder time figuring out tips
at dinner and doing mental arithmetic. Dunno whether to attribute it to
lowcarb or OD on Neuros but a bit disappointed in that respect. Will
re-evaluate after a week. I'm pretty experienced w/ keto diets so I
dunno if that's it.
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answer: yes it is very likely the low carb- ketones are not good fuel for the brain, particularly if "revved up".-- glucose is the preferred fuel and if brain is running at high.. then more fuel is needed (ketones just dont cut it)
 
:helO:

Is 2 weeks enough to get a good initial idea macro? Or longer..
 
Frackal said:
:helO:

Is 2 weeks enough to get a good initial idea macro? Or longer..
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2 week is enough to get an initial idea of the short term effects, so you should definitely notice them. the long term upregulation and impacts tend to take, as you might guess :), longer...
 
Hey wtf...LOL...that smiley is named frackal.gif

Is that supposed to mean:

I'm a playboy

or

I dont get laid and thus have to read alot of playboy?


hmm

Not sure I want to know
 
To make this smiley :frackal: you type : frackal :


I'm wondering what EF Sam is trying to say by this :p
 
Ceebs said:
I'm keeping a diary of my experiences with it here - http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=249895 - for those who didn't know.

Very interested to see what your experience will be with the product, Frack, as someone else who's not hurting for braincells. :smart: :iq: :schwiiiing: I noticed a difference literally the second day, two weeks should be more than sufficient to ascertain whether it's of benefit.
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2nd day?

Thats a placebo effect.

2 weeks is more like it.

5 weeks is when everything starts working.

Fonz
 
fonz,

the short term effects are apparent within hours.. not days or weeks.. the longer term exposure and upregulation effects do take longer to appear.. in some cases 3-5 weeks..
 
i have a big exam coming up in oct. i need to get some of this asap, probably would help with studying and the exam itself.

fonz you ignoring/avoiding me?
 
macrophage69alpha said:
fonz,

the short term effects are apparent within hours.. not days or weeks.. the longer term exposure and upregulation effects do take longer to appear.. in some cases 3-5 weeks..
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Sorry macro, I simply don't buy it.

Neurogenex works in the middle to long-term, NOT 2 DAYS.

That is complete and utter BS. Not saying Ceebs is making it up, just saying its a placebo effect.

The only drug that in theory could do that is Ritalin. Works in the short term for increased mental focus.

So, lets not go OMG!!....my IQ is 100 points up in 2 days posts shall we?

Because i really dislike exagerrations.

If a product is good....I'll back it up. But I'm getting a bit tired of embellishments.

These are nootropics, not ADHD meds we're using.

My UN-BIASED log is at AF, so you know my results.

Fonz
 
40butpumpin said:
i have a big exam coming up in oct. i need to get some of this asap, probably would help with studying and the exam itself.

fonz you ignoring/avoiding me?
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No. Just had to do a lot of studying juggling this week w/practice times.

PM.

Fonz
 
fonz,

you really misunderstand.. the increase of which you are speaking, as to one of IQ, is one that would be seen long term.

however there immeadiate and noticable impacts on neurological function... through increases in neurotransmitters, inhbition of thier breakdown, etc..

in a sense, while they are both linked, you are trying to compare apples and oranges...-- both fruits but of a different flavor :p
 
macrophage69alpha said:
fonz,

you really misunderstand.. the increase of which you are speaking, as to one of IQ, is one that would be seen long term.

however there immeadiate and noticable impacts on neurological function... through increases in neurotransmitters, inhbition of thier breakdown, etc..

in a sense, while they are both linked, you are trying to compare apples and oranges...-- both fruits but of a different flavor :p
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Again Macro......not in 2 DAYS.

IMPOSSIBLE.

I'm sorry I have to be this forceful.....but this is a bit much. "Oh yeah, I was doing Quantum mechanics after 6 days on this stuff", we'll be seeing posts like that in later on.....watch

Like I said, and will repeat. Nootropics have to be used 1 month PLUS....to get the mild-moderate benefits. And 3-6 months to get the FULL benefits.

You can separate the ingredients into fast-acting, and long acting.

Short-acting = ALCar, Hup-A etc....
Long-acting = piracetam.

And there's not enough short-acting to see results.

Heck even at 1.5g Alcar Sub-Q, and 5g oral AlCar/day...I only noticed a difference after 5 or so days on cognition and motor control.

Fonz
 
fonz,

you also have quite a bit of experience with nootropics, so the increases are less significant from your persective..

but for novices and for older people and those with early onset cognitive decay/impairment (for whatever reason).. the impact will be much greater and significant even at the outset.

herein lies the problem, you are young, extremely active, and have been using nootropics... it is unwise to extrapolate your response to others.

do you drink?
smoke?
have you expereince hypoxia?
etc..

and as you stated some of the ingredient have immeadiate impact, particularly in combination.. in people that have low levels of neurotransmitters and or receptor/neurotransmitter degradation..the impact is much more noticable
 
Damn Fedex missed me....argghhh... :)

Need my R-ALA. :)

I also had some Neurogenix in there. Full report to follow in 7 days at AF regarding the nootropic formula.

It'll be an un-biased critique.

It has more pros than cons, but can be improved.

Thats my opinion anyways.

Fonz
 
COOL FINALLY GOT IT TODAY.


Well, I pop 2 about 40 min before training.

Then I get in the car.

And

this was unexpected:

Colors were REALLY vibrant, I was honestly like "What in the fuck" before I remembered someone mentioning vision clarity from the Neurogenex... at the gym it was as if the room was quite a bit more lighted than normal... was pretty crazy and unexpected. It wasnt unpleasant at all, just way more pronounced than I expected.

I'll keep posting as I keep noticing things.
 
Frackal said:

Colors were REALLY vibrant, I was honestly like "What in the fuck"
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I think MP slipped in sone lysergic acid in your Neurogenix for sure.............lol

Fonz
 
Frackal said:
I was honestly like "What in the fuck"
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I love your interior monologue, Frack. :luxlove:

Going to try two at once tomorrow to see if I experience the same visuals. Thus far I've only been taking two a day, spaced several hours apart.
 
ulter said:
It's $36 and that lasts about a month.
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I'd consider buying some piracetam with it as well.

It'lll help speed up Neurogenex's long-term nootropic abilities.

2400mg/day for 7 days....thats all thats needed.

Fonz
 
Maybe you guys at AF could include the "2-oxo Jumpstart" for like 5-10 extra dollars (or whatever). Say 18.5 grams come along with the neurogenex.
 
loading is not necesary... some people prefer it, but it is not needed and most people,particularly younger ones.. will see little benefit from such front loading.

2-oxo, while a nice addition is not the "core" of neurogenex.. it is but a component
 
Frackal said:
Hmm what are your fav components in it just out of curiousity?
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ALCar is the best cognitive enhancer out there.

You have to understand that different nootropics tackle different parts of your brain chemistry....short-term and long-term memory for example.

Its a complicated science. Why?

B/c its still very new.

Fonz
 
What does Alcar do in particular for cognition?

That and glutagain are next on my list.


How effective do you feel alcar is for fatloss?


I know there are many threads but Im curious on your thoughts, and macro's thoughts about it for fatloss.
 
alcar may be an underated nootropic, but best out there... well...

each nootropic has benefits.. some more important to one individual than another... neurogenex is a compilation meant to have the widest range of effect.. to which those so inclined may add as they wish...
 
Is it normal to run a little warmer on this stuff? I haven't taken any thermogenics for a couple of weeks, and even at rest in a well-ventilated room, I feel quite warm.
 
god, you guys at AF have all the goodies.. i flip through the site and want to try almost EVERY single product you've got.. Trex has been awesome so far.. want to get started on the GlucorellR and Gplenish, AND try the Neurogenex.. 100 bucks goes quick lol.. but then i see the GLA and the ALCAR, and i'm like come on.. what do i get???? i'm gonna be poor before the semester starts!! :D
 
Math tonight was clearly easier. 3rd day on today.


Noticed a bit of sleeplessness last night but its more than likely because of that stupid bit--- er.. this girl I dated.

Also noticed some slight naseua but very minor...curious though if that is a dopamine related thing?

I also genuinely feel more quick witted and humorous.
 
Frackal said:


Also noticed some slight naseua but very minor...curious though if that is a dopamine related thing?

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possible, excess dompamine may cause naseua...

are you on any gear? some androgens ,dbol in particular, may elevate dopamine
 
hmmm.....

cant really say for certain.. VAR does not generally raise dopaminergic activity...

may be something else entirely as well

what other supps?
 
At the time I used I think 1-2 thermorexin and 1 dymetadrine extreme.

Today I did a similiar regimen but only added 1 neurogenex instead of 2 and had no problems...better to spread them out anyw
 
my grandmother was diagnosed with the first stages of alzheimers recently. would this product benefit her in anyway and can you folks think of any other supplements she should get on. I know they prescribed her some pill but not sure what.
Thanks, if yourt suggestions work my grandma will bake you some cookies if she remembers how?
 
HamsterHider said:
Thanks, if yourt suggestions work my grandma will bake you some cookies if she remembers how?
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Count me in the cookie queue. I'd like to express my appreciation for AF products solely through the means of chocolate chips, butter, oats, and brown sugar. You guys may as well put your Glucorell-R to good use. :p
 
HamsterHider said:
my grandmother was diagnosed with the first stages of alzheimers recently. would this product benefit her in anyway and can you folks think of any other supplements she should get on.
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actually, to one extent or another, all of the ingredients in neurogenex are used to treat alzheimers. though she whould have her physician look at the ingredients to make sure that they are compatible with her medication (though it is unlikely that their would be any conflict)
 
how would Ngnx interact with Trex? i'm currently using Trex and have noticed a bit of positive mental affects (i'm assuming because there are some similar ingredients between the T and N). would it be too much to start Ngnx while still using Trex?
 
Scottie2 said:
how would Ngnx interact with Trex? i'm currently using Trex and have noticed a bit of positive mental affects (i'm assuming because there are some similar ingredients between the T and N). would it be too much to start Ngnx while still using Trex?
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they stack very well together.
 
Hell yeah

3 trex, 2 neurognx and some yohimburn + cardio and it had to be a dopamine surge...I was feeling great
 
There is an increase in dopamine isnt there from neurogenex? There has to be
 
there is an increase in a number of neurotransmitters, there is also upregulation of nicotinic receptors by galantamine.

there is also likely DR1 and DR2 upregulation (your dopamine angle)

there is marked increase acetylcholine levels
 
The most interesting thing I've noticed is an increase in insight...hard to explain...
 
Fonz said:


ALCar is the best cognitive enhancer out there.

You have to understand that different nootropics tackle different parts of your brain chemistry....short-term and long-term memory for example.

Its a complicated science. Why?

B/c its still very new.

Fonz
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ALCar is good but no way is it the best.

Galantamine shows a lot of promise.
 
Frackal said:
Hell yeah

3 trex, 2 neurognx and some yohimburn + cardio and it had to be a dopamine surge...I was feeling great
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sweet! my NG and yohimburnDF should arrive today. i get spoiled since i'm in south FL and UPS ground takes less than 24hrs to get to me!! hehe =)
 
bdog527 said:


ALCar is good but no way is it the best.

Galantamine shows a lot of promise.
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I've read over 100,000 pages of Alcar research.

Its the best hands down.

As I Said:

1. R-ALA: 1000mgs/day(Glucorrell-R w/ the biotin added intio the pill Makes a difference IMO between taking R-ALA and Biotin separately.)

2. ALCar: 5g/day

3. Green Tea(98% 80%)(50% ECGC) 1g/day

These are the THREE BEST neutraceuticals on ther PLANET.

They will:

a) improve your health dramatically while lowering BF% and will also boost neurotransmitter levels, while protecting your cells from any kind of oxidative damage(ALA + AlCar is trademarked just for this purpose btw)

i.e. You'll get Smarter, fitter, and younger looking.

And they're ALL legal, within an acceptable price range, and easy to acquire.

Yet people still miss this.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


I've read over 100,000 pages of Alcar research.

Its the best hands down.

As I Said:

1. R-ALA: 1000mgs/day(Glucorrell-R w/ the biotin added intio the pill Makes a difference IMO between taking R-ALA and Biotin separately.)

2. ALCar: 5g/day

3. Green Tea(98% 80%)(50% ECGC) 1g/day

These are the THREE BEST neutraceuticals on ther PLANET.

They will:

a) improve your health dramatically while lowering BF% and will also boost neurotransmitter levels, while protecting your cells from any kind of oxidative damage(ALA + AlCar is trademarked just for this purpose btw)

i.e. You'll get Smarter, fitter, and younger looking.

And they're ALL legal, within an acceptable price range, and easy to acquire.

Yet people still miss this.

Fonz
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Fonz is the supplement king!
 
Alcar is very good, but SOLEY as a nootropic to call it best is a tad premature and a bit of stretch to say the least.


though obviously Both we and FOnz agree that ALCAR is a very good supplement.. it and green tea are the central basis for LIPOREXIN.
 
frackal: about how much do you spend a month on those supps?

Thanks
 
macrophage69alpha said:
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94% in my chem final. (3rd highest)

Hmmmm.........I give neurogenex(In its full-blown mode) adding 10mg Vinpo/day and taking 6 caps/day neurogenex for 18 days(For the piracetam) a 8.5/10.

Saves me the time of buying all the ingredients.

You should really do something about the low dose of vinpo.

Remember that visual acuity is very important in the learning process.

Fonz
 
Fonz buy me some ALCAR!!!!

I spend about 300 a month on supplements.
 
Frackal said:
Fonz buy me some ALCAR!!!!

I spend about 300 a month on supplements.
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I spend about $1,000

But from I buy a lot from IAS...expensive. Retin-A and NeySkin Q10 tubes.

AlCar you can but at AF or if you want the cheaper(although I have yet to hear unpurer version) from BAC. I take it sub-Q, so I bypass all that.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:



I spend about $1,000

But from I buy a lot from IAS...expensive. Retin-A and NeySkin Q10 tubes.

AlCar you can but at AF or if you want the cheaper(although I have yet to hear unpurer version) from BAC. I take it sub-Q, so I bypass all that.

Fonz
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do you prepare an injectable form from the powder? or buy an injectable form from somewhere.... how much do you take via injection, since I speculate a certain amount is destroyed when taken orally.
 
variation said:


do you prepare an injectable form from the powder? or buy an injectable form from somewhere.... how much do you take via injection, since I speculate a certain amount is destroyed when taken orally.
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I buy it from a trusted guy who makes it. Its failry cheap. $30 for 100ml 500mg/ml.

All you need is 1-1.5g/day. Of course absorption is near 100%.

Fonz
 
just started the NGX today.. took one at 830, now just had second at 130.. have been trying not to think about it too much in hopes to abate any psychological placebo effect.. i seem to feel a bit clearer in mind (more peaceful at least).. when i went out to pick up lunch, things seemed to look different then the had before. like what i was seeing had a different "feel" to it. hard to explain.. lol but i think me diggin up the word "abate" out of nowhere is some indication that somethin's workin! (i cant even recall the last time i used it, i had to look up the definition to make sure i was using it in the right context!) .. so, so far so good.. will keep posted as the days go on :D NOTE: i'm also using with Trex (1.5wks), so i assume that effects will not be as pronounced immediately. looking forward to long term effect that Fonz refers to
 
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Scottie2 said:
just started the NGX today.. took one at 830, now just had second at 130.. have been trying not to think about it too much in hopes to abate any psychological placebo effect.. i seem to feel a bit clearer in mind (more peaceful at least).. when i went out to pick up lunch, things seemed to look different then the had before. like what i was seeing had a different "feel" to it. hard to explain.. lol but i think me diggin up the word "abate" out of nowhere is some indication that somethin's workin! (i cant even recall the last time i used it, i had to look up the definition to make sure i was using it in the right context!) .. so, so far so good.. will keep posted as the days go on :D NOTE: i'm also using with Trex (1.5wks), so i assume that effects will not be as pronounced immediately. looking forward to long term effect that Fonz refers to
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30-35 days for long term effects to be seen.

I'm on Day 31 after doing my 18 day Hyper-overload to get the full benefits of the Pira.

So far so good.

I however always add vinpo, Neurogenex has only 6mg and according to earlier research by me in nootropics, you need at least 10mg....more like 15mg to show a meaningful increase glucose up-take to the brain.

I simply add 1 10mg Vitamin Shoppe tablet/day.

I take all of it in the AM btw. All three caps.

Definately buying more. Saves me the trouble of buying all the ingredients from overseas. Which is becoming a pain.

Fonz
 
Despite what Frackal's and bdog527's avatars may indicate, my face popping up in strange places is not a side effect of Neurogenex.

I spend about $200 a month on supplements. Wish I could afford more - ALCAR and straight Piracetam are two supplements I'd really like to try.
 
bear in mind i havent read te ingrediets list of the neuro, but pregnenolone will increase visual accuity alone in doses of 50mg a da for most.
 
Just popped a few Neuro's...

Yellow mound of custard, dripping from a dead dog's eye...

I am the Walrus.

J/K.... don't notice much yet. Will keep everyone updated.
 
I had an easier time studying yesterday... was it due to the Neuro? Possibly...possibly placebo effect as well.

I'm a very "right-brained" type of person and I am studying for my LSAT. The portion I have the biggest problem with is the logic games section, which requires very "left-brained" thinking. I seem to have noticed that, since I've begun taking Neuro, the games have become a bit easier to figure out...

Again, maybe this is purely placebo... I dunno...

Also... the euphoria induced by Neuro is lost on me until I throw some caffeine into the mix...

Here's a question...

After studying yesterday, peer pressure won out and I went out for a few drinks... I didn't have very many, but even when I indulge only slightly in alcohol, my mental acuity is always somewhat diminished the next day...

Not today, however...

I think I recall reading that Piracetam has been shown, in mice, to prevent brain damage from alchohol poisoning... I could be wrong.

Is there something in the Neuro, possibly the piracetam analogue, that might be good for those of us who drink on occasion, with regards to brain protection?

Thanks!

JJ
 
THAT's what I like the most about it. I don't drink anymore but when I don't get enough sleep I feel like I was out last night. The Neurogenex just wipes out that tired brain feeling. I am still tired but I can think like I got 10 hours sleep. This effect is really very pronounced and wide spread among the users we've questioned. I can't say why it is, but Dr Macro will be along to fill us in.
 
Also... another question...

I am thinking of mixing this stuff with Adrafanil...

any comments with regards to the efficacy/safety of such a mix?

Thanks!

JJ
 
JibbyJabba said:
Also... another question...

I am thinking of mixing this stuff with Adrafanil...

any comments with regards to the efficacy/safety of such a mix?

Thanks!

JJ
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adrafanil is a selective alpha 1 agonist, should be fine as far as mixing... though the adrafanil may mute some of the effects... you may or may not have noticed that it imparts somewhat a "distal" sense of the world..
 
JibbyJabba said:
I had an easier time studying yesterday... was it due to the Neuro? Possibly...possibly placebo effect as well.

I'm a very "right-brained" type of person and I am studying for my LSAT. The portion I have the biggest problem with is the logic games section, which requires very "left-brained" thinking. I seem to have noticed that, since I've begun taking Neuro, the games have become a bit easier to figure out...

Again, maybe this is purely placebo... I dunno...

Also... the euphoria induced by Neuro is lost on me until I throw some caffeine into the mix...

Here's a question...

After studying yesterday, peer pressure won out and I went out for a few drinks... I didn't have very many, but even when I indulge only slightly in alcohol, my mental acuity is always somewhat diminished the next day...

Not today, however...

I think I recall reading that Piracetam has been shown, in mice, to prevent brain damage from alchohol poisoning... I could be wrong.

Is there something in the Neuro, possibly the piracetam analogue, that might be good for those of us who drink on occasion, with regards to brain protection?

Thanks!

JJ
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Acetyl-l-Carnitine blocks ethanols toxicity to a point.

i.e. you need more alcohol to induce intoxication.

There's several studies showing this. It is used in alcoholics.

Try it. Tke 5g ALcar and drink one day, then drink another day w/o the Alcar.

You'lll notice a marked difference.

FOnz
 
Fonz said:



Acetyl-l-Carnitine blocks ethanols toxicity to a point.

i.e. you need more alcohol to induce intoxication.

There's several studies showing this. It is used in alcoholics.

Try it. Tke 5g ALcar and drink one day, then drink another day w/o the Alcar.

You'lll notice a marked difference.

FOnz
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If there is one thing I like, it's experiments with alcohol :D
 
macrophage69alpha said:
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You should post my AF log here. It will help people understand how Neurogenex works and what to expect from it.

Fonz
 
Originally posted by Fonz at Anabolic Fitness

posted 07-06-2003 02:22 AM
I decided to do a log of how this product affects my cognition, memory etc.... in specific time frames.

I just had one problem with the formulation(NOt Hup-A..thats a different story).

Vinpocetine: 2mg cap*3 = 6mg

Thats not enough IMO, so if you'e taking neurogenex its a good idea to add a 10mg cap of vinpo/day.

Started yesterday, 4th July 3 caps/day + 10mg Vinpo

5th July(today): Still nothing to post about.
Have an exam on the 7th and also a project due then(doing it tommorrow Sunday)...so we shall see if this stuff makes a difference.

1200mg 2-0x0-Pyrr(Piracetam) per 3 caps.....Ok. Thats going to take about 5 weeks to actually get me going considering piracetam is started at 3200mg for a week then 800mg from then on, from regular nootropic programs.

SO, Week 1 = 3200 * 7 = 22 400mg

Week 1 Neurogenex = 1200*7 = 8400mg

Equation: 22 400 + 800(x) = 8400 + 1200(x)

This is just the time it would take the piracetam to reach its full effect.

400x = 14000
x = 35 days

So, you're going to have to take the neurogenex for about 35 days to see the effects of the piracetam......the longest acting of the nootropics.(memory recall specially)

The rest work quickly.

SO basically days < 35 I should see an improvement in cognition and learning and in Days > 35, I should see an improvement in cognition, learning, memory and recall.

Of course, adding Piracetam to the neurogenex would spped things along.......but I don't have any lying around just vinpo. Drat.

Oh well.....I'll buy a couple of more neurogenex in a week or two if all goes well.

Fonz

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I am trying to give an un-biased commentary of
the product.

One thing I did notice today(July 6th), it works much better on an empty stomach.

Fonz


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posted 07-06-2003 11:59 PM
Starting tommrrow, I'm going to take 6/day.

3AM and 3 PM.

I really don't feel like waiting 35 days for the pira to kick in.

So, the piracetams effects will now be seen in 17.5 days according to my calculations(Doubled the dose...so invert the days to pira saturation)

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posted 07-07-2003 09:08 AM
Popped 6 and got a nice buzz........

It was actually pretty good.

Visual acuity is I believe better. COgnition...don't know yet.

The visual acuity is def. the vinpo...has to be.

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posted 07-13-2003 06:14 PM
Day 7:

One thing to report.

I'm waking up at 6:30 Am with no problems and its like zoom from the get-go. This in reference to a perfectly lucid state. Just "awake" not groggy or anything like that.

Before, I needed a good old NYC to get me going, and not be zombie-like until 9AM.

Still 10 days till the Pira kicks in, need to buy another bottle soon as at 6 pills/day I'll be running out soon.


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posted 07-24-2003 08:46 PM
Day 17 btw......9 pills left. Good timing as my next shipment gets here in 2 days. (Make that 1)

I'm going to try to do a little memory recall experimnt on myself with a deck of cards to see if the pira works.

I have an excellent memory, and if the neurogenex manages to enhance it, I will be very pleasantly surprised....and buy neurogenex by the bucketful of course.... lol

I've grown tired of buying nootropics from a veritable panoply of places, and some in powder to boot(Capping.......aghhhh.. )


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Day 31....end log.

Went on a loading phase of 6 caps/day for 18 days to reach the saturation point of piracetam(Or 2-oxo), and then had about 2 weeks to enjoy the benefits of the all the facets of the nootropic.

Rating: 8.5/10

It would get a 9.5/10 if the vinpocetine was increased from 6mg(per 3 caps) to 15mg(per 3 caps). I simply added a 10mg Vinpo tab from the Vitamin Shoppe(6+10=16mg). Vinpo at the dosage I specified has been shown to increase glucose up-take to the brain by a stastistically significant amount. It will also provide you with unparallelled ocular protection(Vinpo is a great supp for the eyes)

After R-ALA, and Glutagain, I think this is my next favourite AF supplement.(I do not tolerate T-rex very well btw).

Definately buying some more.

Fonz
 
with respect to vinpocetine- the amounts needed for effect are much smaller given the synergy-- (used alone higher doses like those you indicate are necessary) otherwise would have included more (its not a particularly expensive ingredient as compared to some others.. ie galantamine 35k per kg and hup 15k per kg)

though if you take t-rex you will get that extra 10mg easily (though aware thats not an option in your case fonz.. maybe in the winter it may treat you better.. the heat and long workouts may have had some impact on your particular tolerance)
 
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