Is it worth it to front load?

TheRide · May 12, 2003

Anyone think it's worth it to front load EQ - would this approach help you get it into you system quicker? Or is slow and steady the route to go???

Outtlaw · May 12, 2003

Why not save the extra eq and just add in something else till the eq gets going? Thats probably what Id do.

psychedout · May 12, 2003

Personally I am skeptical about frontloading. I would use an oral to kick-start the cycle. But thats just me.

Can't hurt to give it a try and frontload. If it works, good for you, if not, at least you know and wont waste gear in the future.

Zyglamail · May 12, 2003

OuttLaw said:
Why not save the extra eq and just add in something else till the eq gets going? Thats probably what Id do.

What do you mean "save" the EQ?

Themachine01 · May 12, 2003

I cannot tell the difference between when I frontload and when I dont.

The Shadow · May 12, 2003

front loading EQ will help.....most seem to notice vascuarity changes in week 3-4 instead of 5-7

Willyumyum · May 12, 2003

Cornholio said:
front loading EQ will help.....most seem to notice vascuarity changes in week 3-4 instead of 5-7

Yup, that's what happened to me

YUM

Outtlaw · May 12, 2003

Zyglamail said:
What do you mean "save" the EQ?

Well he’s likely gonna use more EQ if he’s gonna front load it. So he could just as well run something else and hold on to what he’d be throwing into the frontload to use at a later time.

Zyglamail · May 12, 2003

OuttLaw said:
Well he’s likely gonna use more EQ if he’s gonna front load it. So he could just as well run something else and hold on to what he’d be throwing into the frontload to use at a later time.

This is where your mistaken and one reason so many people have haphazard results when they try something like this. Frontloading is best combined with various other elements and people seem to ignore them and look at the small picture. More often than not advice is given on this subject and the whole theory isnt employed

PART of the purpose to frontload long esters is so that you dont have to cycle as long. With that in mind you pull the gear you would have used during the last 2 weeks and add it to the first 2 weeks so the end result is the same amount of gear used, even if gains arent greater, your done with a cycle 2 weeks earlier, which for most equals faster recovery.

jubei · May 12, 2003

zyglamail is pointing out something that alot of people aren't seeming to grasp. Most of the theories about using AAS are based on maximum risk/benifit ratio and are not concerned with someone who has a fixed amount of gear. I would always frontload Equipoise and Sustanon.

BIG D HASEK · May 12, 2003

Zyg is the man. He has several charts in the archives that him and Andy13 have gone over frontloading many times. IMHO frontloading worked great for me. It hit me harder and faster the time I did it.

BIG D HASEK

The Shadow · May 12, 2003

jubei said:
zyglamail is pointing out something that alot of people aren't seeming to grasp. Most of the theories about using AAS are based on maximum risk/benifit ratio and are not concerned with someone who has a fixed amount of gear. I would always frontload Equipoise and Sustanon.

...even with the fast acting compopund in sus

Zyglamail · May 13, 2003

Cornholio said:
...even with the fast acting compopund in sus

On the math that I did for sust, I figured the best dose to frontload sust was 1.5x normal dose as opposed to the 2x normal dose for stuff like enth, cyp, deca. You can still 2x it if you like because the average half life of all the esters still ends up being about the same as cyp. Its definatly not an exact science.

Outtlaw · May 13, 2003

Zyglamail said:
PART of the purpose to frontload long esters is so that you dont have to cycle as long. With that in mind you pull the gear you would have used during the last 2 weeks and add it to the first 2 weeks so the end result is the same amount of gear used, even if gains arent greater, your done with a cycle 2 weeks earlier, which for most equals faster recovery.

True, but still there are people out there who frontload and run their cycle for the same amount of time. Thus using more gear than they normally would. Im not saying this is the way it should be done, but it happens.

Zyglamail · May 13, 2003

OuttLaw said:
True, but still there are people out there who frontload and run their cycle for the same amount of time. Thus using more gear than they normally would. Im not saying this is the way it should be done, but it happens.

And these are the same people who simply skimmed much of what Andy and I stated way back when, took out the parts they liked (ie understood) and went from there. More is better or so they claim. Then of course there is the detractors who also do the same and in turn try and pick the theory apart by using half of the information etc. Each to their own, I gave up trying to explaine this a long time ago since so many people here have blinders on.

The Shadow · May 13, 2003

Zyglamail said:
On the math that I did for sust, I figured the best dose to frontload sust was 1.5x normal dose as opposed to the 2x normal dose for stuff like enth, cyp, deca. You can still 2x it if you like because the average half life of all the esters still ends up being about the same as cyp. Its definatly not an exact science.

.....I reread my post...I meantthat as a sentence...not a question - lol so I agree totally

TheRide · May 13, 2003

Thanks for the discussion!! I appreciate the feedback and education!!

-TheRide

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