Going into Vale Tudo tournament...what cycle should I do?

Ok, I haven't trained in 6 months because of injuries and reponsibilities that I've had to take care of but the end of this summer I'm planning to go into Vale Tudo Tournament...I need to get in shape quickly and I was planning to do an Eq, Winny, Sus cycle but I don't want to gain too much weight...i'm looking to actually lose some weight but gain strength. I'm 6' 192lbs with 12% bf. I'm looking to get down to about 180 maybe 175.... What would be the best cycle to do that will help my stamina and help me gain some strength. I really don't want any water weight cuz that slows me down.... I was thinking just Sus 250 a week and Winny 50mg eod.... By the way I will DEFINITELY add test to any cycle. If any of you guys have any experience with cutting cycles before any tournaments please tell me how it went and how your stamina was. Thanks!

The Sustenon will cause you to retain water, IMO a bad choice for someone that's trying to loose weight.
You could have cramping problems with Winstrol in addition to possible joint pain.

EQ might be good however.

Most fighters that use gear do it in the off season, at least their personal off season. I don't think it's the best idea for a fighter to put on huge amounts of muscle. Remember what happened to Vitor Belfort when he was all jacked? Can you say gased?

Steroids will do nothing for your stamina, if anything history shows they will hurt it.

Steroids and endurance

Ok, this has been debated on the fighting forums for years now (mostly regarding Vitor in his fight with Couture and Marc Coleman against a few guys). The consensus is that roids CAN help a fighter if he puts on a few pounds of lean mass and lots of strength.

Where guys run into problems is when they concentrate entirely on getting big and strong and believe that their cardio will be just as good as it was at the lighter weight. More muscle requires higher Vo2 max to provide the muscles with oxygen. Steroids do nothing for this since all they do is make the muscle bigger. That means you have to make sure to focus on trainging for endurance in order to supply those bigger muscles with enough oxygen to survive a NHB fight.

Bottom line is this: the only impact juice will have is on your muscles. The bigger the muscle, the more cardio you need to feed it. That said, a fighter should take the time to train specifically for endurance as well as strength. Especially if he's carrying around more muscle than he's accustomed to having.

- Judoman

Re: Steroids and endurance

osujudoman said:

Ok, this has been debated on the fighting forums for years now (mostly regarding Vitor in his fight with Couture and Marc Coleman against a few guys). The consensus is that roids CAN help a fighter if he puts on a few pounds of lean mass and lots of strength.

Where guys run into problems is when they concentrate entirely on getting big and strong and believe that their cardio will be just as good as it was at the lighter weight. More muscle requires higher Vo2 max to provide the muscles with oxygen. Steroids do nothing for this since all they do is make the muscle bigger. That means you have to make sure to focus on trainging for endurance in order to supply those bigger muscles with enough oxygen to survive a NHB fight.

Bottom line is this: the only impact juice will have is on your muscles. The bigger the muscle, the more cardio you need to feed it. That said, a fighter should take the time to train specifically for endurance as well as strength. Especially if he's carrying around more muscle than he's accustomed to having.

- Judoman

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I agree completely. This is one of the more intelligent replies on the subject I've seen. I still think you're far better off juicing in the off season, giving yourself a better understanding of how your body reacts to the additional muscle.

Prepare yourself for at least a dozen "Take fucking halo and check drops like Mike Tyson - you'll be a raging animal!" replies.

Hey bro, I've been in your shoes before....a couple of years back, I entered a MMA tournament and needed a cycle to put the 'icing on the cake'. Unfortunately, you make it sound as if you are way out of shape, and are going to depend on 6-7 weeks in the gym w/ juice to get you ready. It's not impossible, but you are definately pushing it.

Personally, I started out kinda out of shape (but pretty strong) in April, and worked my ass off from there on out to be ready for a mid-august tourney. I did an eight-week cycle, consisting of 300mg/week EQ right through and Omnadren during the first five weeks. Let me just say this...after three fights in a sweltering hot arena, I was wishing that I was still on the Omnadren and benefitting from water bloat. I weighed in at 218...and left the building at 207. I was cramped so bad that I couldn't even open my hands (stuck into hooks from holding on to Gi's). I think I would have been better off with some extra test in my system at the end.

Just remember this...you will need even more cardio conditioning than you think if you hope to have anything in the second or third fight. Get in a lot of time on the mat, preferably in the hottest, most miserable dojo you can find to prepare; riding the stationary bike in an air conditioned Gold's Gym is not gonna get it done. Best of luck, man.

i fight nhb bro(like u couldnt tell by my name). I dont know about any special "nhb oriented quick fix cycles" or anything, but a few things:
-Winny is not a good compound for everyday submissions training. It makes em crackle already, before someone crackles em more, if u know what Im saying. Heard plenty of folks bitching about this before.

-Halo/Cheque Drops WILL make u aggressive before a fight, however thats exactly what I (personally, many are different) DONT NEED!! MMA is much more of a chess game than boxing/wrestling/etc. by themselves. Granted Ive got a couple good KO's being pissed off, but I usually fight better when Im calm and thinking more than "raging"

-choice of the pros- I will never say any names or anything, etc, so dont ask, but one of the most common things for nhb fighters to do is the old anavar/creatine cycle. Anavar helps out with strength big time, but doesnt give huge LBM gains, perfect for staying in a weight class, and perfect for having "energy packed" muscle(ATP and whatnot). The creatine is also real synergistic with oxandrolone, just cut it about a week before the fight if u have to make weight as creatine will make u retain some water.

-obviously, the leaner you are, the better, so try some nyc/eca alternated with clen if u can. fuck t3, it makes u feel like shit and fight like a pussy. cant have that shit. I guess if u somehow dont feel like shit on it, whatever. dnp on the other hand, at 200mg a day, doesnt affect my training much at all, but obviously do this as long before your fight as possible. cant come into the ring/cage all depleted and shit from dnp.

"Bottom line is this: the only impact juice will have is on your muscles. The bigger the muscle, the more cardio you need to feed it. That said, a fighter should take the time to train specifically for endurance as well as strength. Especially if he's carrying around more muscle than he's accustomed to having."
- Most definitely true, but there are also different "impacts" the juice can have on your muscle as well. Some gear is more "size" promoting, and less strength promoting than others. Id rather put on a real strong, anavar style 5 lbs of muscle, than a puffy, anadrol style, 10lbs of "puff muscle". You wouldnt fight a guy with an extra 5 lbs of potatoes in your pockets would u?? I also think oxandrolone ups the ATP levels in your muscles, which can aid muscular endurance, which is a huge part of mma/nhb.

- if youre trying to lose weight, i dont know about any test in your cycle, EQ would be the best choice, as it also purportedly ups your endurance through some blood platelet mechanism or some shit. coupled with something to offset the EQ appetite that some people get. Id say do 400mg EQ/week, base your workouts/diet/supplements around cutting and endurance, and maybe trade in the sus and winny for some oxandrolone at about 20-30mg/day with some "liver scrubbers"

all the above is not based on science, I may be wrong about some shit and I may offend some anadrol fans, etc. just tryin to help, peace

fina winny combo. Should increase LBM. saint7 PS easy on the fina heard it leaves you winded if you use to much 75mg/ed fina 50mg/ed winny. Remember to use some l-dex and maybe have bromo and vitex on hand incase of any problems. Most important post cycle recovery too.

You know I actually have 2 weeks worth of Oxandrolone and I was planning to start two weeks before the tournament then load up on some creatine a few days before. I think I might just add some test anyway. Thanx for the input!


Anyone else?

Good point on the Winny, nhbgorilla. Winny has always made my muscles prone to cramping as well, so it's a definate no-no for the type of training you're gonna be doing. Also like gorilla's advice about making sure you're not raging in there; an overly aggressive and impatient fighter is gonna end up tapping out more often than not.

nhbgorilla said:

i fight nhb bro(like u couldnt tell by my name). I dont know about any special "nhb oriented quick fix cycles" or anything, but a few things:
-Winny is not a good compound for everyday submissions training. It makes em crackle already, before someone crackles em more, if u know what Im saying. Heard plenty of folks bitching about this before.

-Halo/Cheque Drops WILL make u aggressive before a fight, however thats exactly what I (personally, many are different) DONT NEED!! MMA is much more of a chess game than boxing/wrestling/etc. by themselves. Granted Ive got a couple good KO's being pissed off, but I usually fight better when Im calm and thinking more than "raging"

-choice of the pros- I will never say any names or anything, etc, so dont ask, but one of the most common things for nhb fighters to do is the old anavar/creatine cycle. Anavar helps out with strength big time, but doesnt give huge LBM gains, perfect for staying in a weight class, and perfect for having "energy packed" muscle(ATP and whatnot). The creatine is also real synergistic with oxandrolone, just cut it about a week before the fight if u have to make weight as creatine will make u retain some water.

-obviously, the leaner you are, the better, so try some nyc/eca alternated with clen if u can. fuck t3, it makes u feel like shit and fight like a pussy. cant have that shit. I guess if u somehow dont feel like shit on it, whatever. dnp on the other hand, at 200mg a day, doesnt affect my training much at all, but obviously do this as long before your fight as possible. cant come into the ring/cage all depleted and shit from dnp.

"Bottom line is this: the only impact juice will have is on your muscles. The bigger the muscle, the more cardio you need to feed it. That said, a fighter should take the time to train specifically for endurance as well as strength. Especially if he's carrying around more muscle than he's accustomed to having."
- Most definitely true, but there are also different "impacts" the juice can have on your muscle as well. Some gear is more "size" promoting, and less strength promoting than others. Id rather put on a real strong, anavar style 5 lbs of muscle, than a puffy, anadrol style, 10lbs of "puff muscle". You wouldnt fight a guy with an extra 5 lbs of potatoes in your pockets would u?? I also think oxandrolone ups the ATP levels in your muscles, which can aid muscular endurance, which is a huge part of mma/nhb.

- if youre trying to lose weight, i dont know about any test in your cycle, EQ would be the best choice, as it also purportedly ups your endurance through some blood platelet mechanism or some shit. coupled with something to offset the EQ appetite that some people get. Id say do 400mg EQ/week, base your workouts/diet/supplements around cutting and endurance, and maybe trade in the sus and winny for some oxandrolone at about 20-30mg/day with some "liver scrubbers"

all the above is not based on science, I may be wrong about some shit and I may offend some anadrol fans, etc. just tryin to help, peace

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Damn! Where did you guys come from? Two intelligent fighting/steroid posts. Typically there are at least a dozen replies from people that have never stepped into a ring giving bad advice focused on which steroids give you the most aggression, not knowing this is not a plus. It might help if you don't have confidence in your skills, but if that's the case you shouldn't be fighting anyway.