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Liver Helper Myth Destroyed

Fonz

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Ok, I'm seeing more and more people using Milk thistle.

Well, guess what?

IT DOES NOTHING.

Even plain water is better than Milk Thistle.

So, STOP throwing your money away.

It won't even stem the tide, the liver will still
be bombarded by the 17-aa steroid molecule.
It doesn't even affect liver protection or
regeneration.
I'm not kidding here. Milk thistle won't do a thing.
So, if you use it alone with 17-aa's, you're more
than likely to get high liver enzyme values or WORSE
if using hepatoxic 17-aa's like Anadrol/Halo/winstrol
etc.....

These THREE are the ONLY ONES worth taking. PERIOD.

1. ALA at 600mg/day. THIS IS THE BEST. BAR NONE.

2. Tylers liver detox: Because it includes 3-4 substances
that would cost a fortune to buy by themselves. Not to
mention complicate matters b/c of availibility.(You'd
have to buy from several places at once)

3. Cranberry extract: NOT FOR THE LIVER. but
for the KIDNEYS. ALA and Tylers have little impact
on the kidneys. Cranberry however does.
Dosage: 3000mgs/day

4.(Up and coming) Calcium D-Glucarate: USED AFTER THE
CYCLE.(Some people use it during their cycle but
wether its effective or not is highly debatable).
This a relatively complicated substance to use and
needs to be researched before taking it.
Hard to find too.(Hence the up and coming denotation)

There are other more exotic ones for the liver but are EXPENSIVE
and I think irrelevant because ALA does everything they do.(And
more)

So, to finish up. possible combo's:

1. If price is an issue: ALA+cranberry
2. If not: ALA+Tylers+cranberry.

The reasson I picked ALA over tylers is while they both
protect the liver, ALA has MANY MORE benefits than
Tylers. Including, amazing anti-oxidant power,
increased glucose up-take, incresased oxygen up-take
by the heart etc.. etc..
It also RE-GENERATES damaged liver hepatocytes which
Tylers does NOT do.

These are the only effective ones. The rest I'd flush down
the toilet.
Remember, its your liver. Don't take any chances with
mythical rumours imparted years ago that just hapenned to
brainwash people and made them think that a substance was
actually effective when it really wasn't

The only AAS that Milk thistle would even have an impact on
would be Anavar. And that would be pushing it IMHO.

Fonz
 
Why has caused you to form this opinion? Medical research has shown Milk Thistle to be effective.. just curious.

Gman
 
It does nothing? This is more than an overstatement, it is false.

It may do "nothing" directly for the specific mechanisms of liver damage from 17-aas. However, if you risk damage by one mechanism it makes sense to protect against that mechanism AS WELL AS other mechanisms of damage. I must admit I'm not familiar with the mechanism of liver cell damage by 17-aas, if anyone has some info please enlighten me.

Milk thistle does have many positive effects on the liver. Anyone worried about liver damage is well advised to look into using it.

Inhibition of human carcinoma cell growth and DNA synthesis by silibinin, an active constituent of milk thistle: comparison with silymarin.
Bhatia N, Zhao J, Wolf DM, Agarwal R
Cancer Lett 1999 Dec 147:77-84


Cancer Lett • Volume 147 • Issue 1-2
MEDLINE, full MEDLINE, related records, full text

Abstract
Several studies from our laboratory have shown the cancer chemopreventive and anti-carcinogenic effects of silymarin, a flavonoid antioxidant isolated from milk thistle, in long-term tumorigenesis models and in human prostate, breast and cervical carcinoma cells. Since silymarin is composed mainly of silibinin with small amounts of other stereoisomers of silibinin, in the present communication, studies were performed to assess whether the cancer preventive and anti-carcinogenic effects of silymarin are due to its major component silibinin. Treatment of different prostate, breast, and cervical human carcinoma cells with silibinin resulted in a highly significant inhibition of both cell growth and DNA synthesis in a time-dependent manner with large loss of cell viability only in case of cervical carcinoma cells. When compared with silymarin, these effects of silibinin were consistent and comparable in terms of cell growth and DNA synthesis inhibition, and loss of cell viability. Based on the comparable results of silibinin and silymarin, we suggest that the cancer chemopreventive and anti-carcinogenic effects of silymarin reported earlier are due to the main constituent silibinin.



Milk thistle (Silybum marianum) for the therapy of liver disease.
Flora K, Hahn M, Rosen H, Benner K
Am J Gastroenterol 1998 Feb 93:139-43


Am J Gastroenterol • Volume 93 • Issue 2
MEDLINE, full MEDLINE, related records

Abstract
Silymarin, derived from the milk thistle plant, Silybum marianum, has been used for centuries as a natural remedy for diseases of the liver and biliary tract. As interest in alternative therapy has emerged in the United States, gastroenterologists have encountered increasing numbers of patients taking silymarin with little understanding of its purported properties. Silymarin and its active constituent, silybin, have been reported to work as antioxidants scavenging free radicals and inhibiting lipid peroxidation. Studies also suggest that they protect against genomic injury, increase hepatocyte protein synthesis, decrease the activity of tumor promoters, stabilize mast cells, chelate iron, and slow calcium metabolism. In this article we review silymarin's history, pharmacology, and properties, and the clinical trials pertaining to patients with acute and chronic liver disease.
 
Ok. Milk thistle might do SOMETHING, true. But consider the hepatoxicity of 17 aa. You are basically bailing out a flooding boat with a thimble. It may work for normal carcinogenic models, but when you are importing a toxic system into your body, it doesn't hold water. Try something like he suggested. I agree with you bro.

NFG
 
NFG123 said:
Ok. Milk thistle might do SOMETHING, true. But consider the hepatoxicity of 17 aa. You are basically bailing out a flooding boat with a thimble. It may work for normal carcinogenic models, but when you are importing a toxic system into your body, it doesn't hold water. Try something like he suggested. I agree with you bro.

NFG

EXACTLY.

This is the point I was trying to convey.

The STUDIES wre done WITHOUT any hepatoxic substances
being run at the same time.

And,

While ALA, Tylers, Cranberry are: HERE!!!!




















Milk THistle is DOWN HERE!!!!!!

So, please tell me WHAT on earth is the point of taking
Milk Thistle if ALA ALREADY DOES what milk thistle
is SUPPOSED to do, but 1000X better??????


To give an example:

f you had access to Arimidex and novaldex AT THE SAME
PRICE.(ALA and Milk Thistle cost the same)

WHICH ONE WOULD YOU GET???????

Now do you guys see how stupid it is to buy Milk Thistle?

Its the old "Newer technology" vs "Older technology".

Fonz
 
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