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The IGF Thread

black sheep

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There are a lot of sporatic IGF threads around. Let's put together a thread with everyones experience.

#1 - How long did you run it
#2 what dosage
#3 where and when did you inject
#4 what else were you taking at the time
#5 did you take it with rHGH

#6 WHAT WERE YOUR RESULTS
 
I'll start:

I ran it for 30 days

60mcg ED

Injected into the muscle I worked after workout

I was in PCT - Nolva and Clomid

I had not used rHGH yet when I tried IGF

I continued to make gains thru PCT while taking it. It also made my sore shoulder GO AWAY!
 
black sheep said:
There are a lot of sporatic IGF threads around. Let's put together a thread with everyones experience.

#1 - How long did you run it
#2 what dosage
#3 where and when did you inject
#4 what else were you taking at the time
#5 did you take it with rHGH

#6 WHAT WERE YOUR RESULTS
Most current run of IGF-1LR3:
30 days
100mcgs/day
left and right shoulder immediately PWO
1g Test Cyp and 600 mg Eq per week
yes with 5 i.u.'s
Starting weight 212,14%BF Currently 237,11%BF
 
Will start to pay attention here,

never found any use for HGH, tired it many times.

Have never done IGF,

However Kachunga’s gains are very impressive,

Black sheep how have your gains been, specifically.
 
Kachunga said:
Most current run of IGF-1LR3:
30 days
100mcgs/day
left and right shoulder immediately PWO
1g Test Cyp and 600 mg Eq per week
yes with 5 i.u.'s
Starting weight 212,14%BF Currently 237,11%BF

Hey how long was the total cycle and how long ago was this?
 
solidspine said:
Will start to pay attention here,

never found any use for HGH, tired it many times.

Have never done IGF,

However Kachunga’s gains are very impressive,

Black sheep how have your gains been, specifically.

I gained another 4lbs during PCT - I held more weight after PCT than most prior cycles. The same goes for strength - It did not drop off when the AAS cleared.
 
Busamuscle said:
Hey how long was the total cycle and how long ago was this?
Whats up Busa, my site specific injection friend?
That was an 8 week cycle. Ended 10/20 I think. I am still on, just switched compounds and insulin for the Igf.
 
Kachunga said:
Whats up Busa, my site specific injection friend?
That was an 8 week cycle. Ended 10/20 I think. I am still on, just switched compounds and insulin for the Igf.

so you ran the igf the last 4 weeks?did you run any AI's with that cycle?how would you compare those gains with other cycles?I am trying to figure out how much cellular growth we are geting from igf and how much will come later due to new cells!
 
krishna said:
Can you gain any decent amount of muscle weight on igf alone?

I think it would be best ran on cycle but will provide some gains alone.some of the gains from igf will come months down the road.
 
I've ran IGF three times now, going to start my fourth run here soon. First time i started at 60mcg split twice per day for 15 days then went to 80mcg.

Second cycle i went 100mcg/day split 50 am and 50 post workout, i'd say all in all this cycle of IGF put about 6-8 keepable pounds on me, and remember i've been juicing for over 8 years. So this was an AMAZING run for me. I ran it during a very heavy cycle but i've ran many numerous heavy cycles before and could never keep the weight I gained.

This past time I ran it again at 100mcg/day and had some great results, only ran it 20 days as i had something come up and couldn't complete the last 10 due to work and flying out of town.

Im going to run it during my PCT this next time, JUST IGF, nolva and clomid. Im coming off a cycle of tren and winstrol(and yes, NO test in there). Im anxious to see how it works for me. but all in all i recommend this drug to anyone trying to break through a plateau or get to another level.

But again, im not a fan of these E3D dosings and i don't believe in the site injection bullshit, as it simply doesn't make the muscle you inject it in grow any damn faster. and i can say that from experience, not a bunch of fucking reading other fuckers regurgitated information on other boards. I tried repeated bicep injects the first two runs and it simply didn't help the biceps.

anyways, good addition to a stack and a good addition to PCT. I recommend people try and run it midway through a cycle, then take some time off and finish the cycle then run IGF during PCT
 
drrman said:
I've ran IGF three times now, going to start my fourth run here soon. First time i started at 60mcg split twice per day for 15 days then went to 80mcg.

Second cycle i went 100mcg/day split 50 am and 50 post workout, i'd say all in all this cycle of IGF put about 6-8 keepable pounds on me, and remember i've been juicing for over 8 years. So this was an AMAZING run for me. I ran it during a very heavy cycle but i've ran many numerous heavy cycles before and could never keep the weight I gained.

This past time I ran it again at 100mcg/day and had some great results, only ran it 20 days as i had something come up and couldn't complete the last 10 due to work and flying out of town.

Im going to run it during my PCT this next time, JUST IGF, nolva and clomid. Im coming off a cycle of tren and winstrol(and yes, NO test in there). Im anxious to see how it works for me. but all in all i recommend this drug to anyone trying to break through a plateau or get to another level.

But again, im not a fan of these E3D dosings and i don't believe in the site injection bullshit, as it simply doesn't make the muscle you inject it in grow any damn faster. and i can say that from experience, not a bunch of fucking reading other fuckers regurgitated information on other boards. I tried repeated bicep injects the first two runs and it simply didn't help the biceps.

anyways, good addition to a stack and a good addition to PCT. I recommend people try and run it midway through a cycle, then take some time off and finish the cycle then run IGF during PCT

Thanks for the info drrman,your input means a lot.Here is some info I put up on another board on site injects!

I have not found any human trials but there is a drug for horses out developed for tendon repair called Tendotrophin by PrimeGRO.This is a locallized shot ( directly into the lesion) given of IGF to stimulat tenocyte proliferation and synthesis of type one collagen and proteoglycans.LR3 only has the 13 amino group on the n-terminus to prevent IGFBP-3 binding and thus would have no effect on IGF-1R binding.LR3 would move through the extracellular matrix,binding to any and all open receptors,before entering the blood!You can go to www.PrimeGRO.com click on Equin tendon repair.Then click on technical update select yes that you are a vet and their you have all the info you need.
 
if you have a lagging bodypart...lets say legs...could you inject just once a week, directly after leg workout, 100mcg? then lets say like 2-3months later when you have finished your igf would you think the legs specifically would have grown?...just a question
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
if you have a lagging bodypart...lets say legs...could you inject just once a week, directly after leg workout, 100mcg? then lets say like 2-3months later when you have finished your igf would you think the legs specifically would have grown?...just a question

That is what we are trying to figure out.How long and how much igf for such effects to be seen.Here is some more info I put up.I would put up the web a direct link to this thread but this site is not a board sponsor.

One thing you have to remember is this is taking place on the microscopic cellular level.About 10000 average-sized human cells can fit on the head of a pin.So this could take some time to "see" the effects!We have to remember that some cells,due to cell fate and cell cycle,can turn off the gene coding for the mRNA that encodes the IGF-1R protien or block the IGF-1R's tyrosine kinase receptor on the cytosol side of the cell,stopping the signaling cascade.This is also how cells down regulate in response to over stimulation

So 100mcg of igf could lead to over stimulation and the receptors may not respond the following week,it is not known at this point!
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
if you have a lagging bodypart...lets say legs...could you inject just once a week, directly after leg workout, 100mcg? then lets say like 2-3months later when you have finished your igf would you think the legs specifically would have grown?...just a question


again, i just don't think the site inject shit did anything at all. biceps are a very small muscle compared to most any other muscle we train hard, and if two runs of bicep injects didn't make my bi's grow any more than my tris did i think i can say the site inject thing is a myth. if it didn't make my bi's grow any faster i really doubt its going to make a huge muscle like the quads grow faster
 
#1 - How long did you run it-30days

#2 what dosage-60mcg

#3 where and when did you inject-injected in calves,quads mainly. Injected pwo only.

#4 what else were you taking at the time-slin 10iu's pwo,I used it to bridge over from a bulker to a cutter

#5 did you take it with rHGH-no

#6 WHAT WERE YOUR RESULTS-increased pumps and i dropped some bf as well. increased vascularity. I now have crazy veins all over my bi's
 
huh, well i am gonna give it a whirl...i think i will only inject pwo...when you guys have run it in the past...do you bring a loaded needle to the gym and inject immediatly pwo...i know that sounds crazy...but i heard get it in in the first 5minutes post workout...
 
#1 - How long did you run it-25days

#2 what dosage-40mcg (20am/20pwo)

#3 where and when did you inject-bis, tris, delts, pecs

#4 what else were you taking at the time-nothing

#5 did you take it with rHGH-no

#6 WHAT WERE YOUR RESULTS-same as liquidmuscle- "increased pumps and i dropped some bf as well. increased vascularity. I now have crazy veins all over my bi's"

on my second run of igf now 40mcg pwo e3d on 500mg cyp/400mg eq, week 3 right now, pumps and vascularity very nice, muscles always look fuller, i will continue 40mcg e3d through pct and beyond....
 
is it something that is important to get off...or is it like gh...you can just run it at a low dose for the rest of your life....
but more importantly....did you guys bring the loaded syringe to the gym??
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
is it something that is important to get off...or is it like gh...you can just run it at a low dose for the rest of your life....
but more importantly....did you guys bring the loaded syringe to the gym??

run e3d then their is no need to cycle off, if using ed then at about the 30 day mark it is usually cycled off for another 30 days...and yes i bring the loaded syringe to the gym and pin in the stall
 
Busamuscle said:
so you ran the igf the last 4 weeks?did you run any AI's with that cycle?how would you compare those gains with other cycles?I am trying to figure out how much cellular growth we are geting from igf and how much will come later due to new cells!
No, I ran it the first 4 weeks. I started to use AIFM, but I read that it interferes with the way Igf1 and hgh work so I dropped it.
 
this is a great thread blacksheep
I am looking at two kits right now It is recpetor grade Lr3 not media grade i dont start untill dec 1st good to see some feedback

hey black sheep?
was yours media grade or recpetor grade? I spent the extra few bucks but now not sure it it was worth it for media
 
Kachunga said:
No, I ran it the first 4 weeks. I started to use AIFM, but I read that it interferes with the way Igf1 and hgh work so I dropped it.

how does AIFM interfere with igf and hgh? and were did you read this?
 
liquidmuscle said:
#1 - How long did you run it-30days

#2 what dosage-60mcg

#3 where and when did you inject-injected in calves,quads mainly. Injected pwo only.

#4 what else were you taking at the time-slin 10iu's pwo,I used it to bridge over from a bulker to a cutter

#5 did you take it with rHGH-no

#6 WHAT WERE YOUR RESULTS-increased pumps and i dropped some bf as well. increased vascularity. I now have crazy veins all over my bi's

I know it's been said that site injections don't work, but did you see any improvements in your calves from the calf injections? I'm thinking of giving this a shot as every part of my body has grown except calves.
 
TylerT said:
I know it's been said that site injections don't work, but did you see any improvements in your calves from the calf injections? I'm thinking of giving this a shot as every part of my body has grown except calves.

Site injections dont work.. Ive tried them, and some really suck especially chest.. When I ran the IGF, I just stuck it in my quads everyday.. I might have done shoulders a few times too.. but quads were the easiest.
 
Cutt29 said:
how does AIFM interfere with igf and hgh? and were did you read this?
I don't remember exactly, it was starting to get too technical. Carth was asking Ulter about it and from what I understand the answer was it inhibits the functions of igf1 and hgh. So AIFM is great to use with juice only but not so great to use with hgh and igf1.
Ulter would be the one to ask for more info on this.
 
black sheep said:
There are a lot of sporatic IGF threads around. Let's put together a thread with everyones experience.

#1 - How long did you run it
#2 what dosage
#3 where and when did you inject
#4 what else were you taking at the time
#5 did you take it with rHGH

#6 WHAT WERE YOUR RESULTS

Excuse my lack of knowledge on IGF, but what is IGF, Insulin??
I tried the search but it tells me I am in "forbiden teritory", whatever that means.
Thanks
 
Insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) is a polypeptide protein hormone similar in molecular structure to insulin. It plays an important role in childhood growth and continues to have anabolic effects in adults
 
Kachunga said:
I don't remember exactly, it was starting to get too technical. Carth was asking Ulter about it and from what I understand the answer was it inhibits the functions of igf1 and hgh. So AIFM is great to use with juice only but not so great to use with hgh and igf1.
Ulter would be the one to ask for more info on this.

I asked Ulter tihs was his response Kachinga,
"That doesn't make any sense at all. I wouldn't say that. AIFM will raise test levels by dropping the estrogen levels. It wouldn't interfere."
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
Site injections dont work.. Ive tried them, and some really suck especially chest.. When I ran the IGF, I just stuck it in my quads everyday.. I might have done shoulders a few times too.. but quads were the easiest.

I guess it all comes down to who has real IGF-1 and who doesn't! :p
I already posted that it has been proven that IGF can be site specific!IGF-1 is also produced in muscle cells and works via the autocrine/paracrine pathways.
 
to answer your question about bringing it to the gym...yes i did. i brought a small cooler with a RTD protein shake, RTD carb drink and i topped it off with preloaded igf and a preloaded slin pin on ice.
 
#1 - How long did you run it-30days

#2 what dosage-66mcg

#3 where and when did you inject-bis, tris, delts, pecs, quads

#4 what else were you taking at the time-nothing

#5 did you take it with rHGH-no

#6 WHAT WERE YOUR RESULTS: Increased pumps, slight body fat decrease, tingling sensation in knees and elbows, and decreased joint pain. The decrease in pain was very VERY pronounced and has stayed with me.
 
I've read conflicting reports about site injections for IGF, but if one was to just inject into say the quad, would it not also work for other worked muscles as well?
 
MrCashCream said:
I've read conflicting reports about site injections for IGF, but if one was to just inject into say the quad, would it not also work for other worked muscles as well?

yes it would
 
so the igf is not stable enough to sit in the locker for like an hour while you work out...you have to keep it cold all the way until injection?
also what do you guys think of IM vs. subq....i have heard people say they went both ways....what do you guys think?
 
krishna said:
Can you gain any decent amount of muscle weight on igf alone?

when i ran it alone i gained roughly 5lbs while losing roughly 2% of bf, so while there was not much weight gain, there was a favorable change in body composition for me
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
so the igf is not stable enough to sit in the locker for like an hour while you work out...you have to keep it cold all the way until injection?
also what do you guys think of IM vs. subq....i have heard people say they went both ways....what do you guys think?

if you reconsitute the peptide correctly (.6% acetic acid) then yes it is very stable at room temp (in your locker) infact it is stable for 2 years at room temp
IM whithout a doubt
 
Cutt29 said:
I asked Ulter tihs was his response Kachinga,
"That doesn't make any sense at all. I wouldn't say that. AIFM will raise test levels by dropping the estrogen levels. It wouldn't interfere."
Ok I will contact Carth and also try to find that thread. Maybe I misunderstood but that would be a major misunderstanding since I was using AIFM with my cycle, read the posts, and then decided to discontinue using it.
 
Kachunga said:
Ok I will contact Carth and also try to find that thread. Maybe I misunderstood but that would be a major misunderstanding since I was using AIFM with my cycle, read the posts, and then decided to discontinue using it.

could it have been nolva, were u also using nolva at the time?
 
Kachunga said:
I have never used an AI for any cycle before in my life. I was reading so many people rave about AIFM that I thought I would try it out.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506766
Somewhere in there I decided to suspend my AIFM use.

bro mac clearly says that nolva will reduce igf-1 levels and that ai's (AIFM) increase igf-1

macrophage69alpha said:
aromatase inhibitors increase IGF-1

the selective estrogenic action of Nolvadex lowers IGF-1
 
Like I said, I don't use Nolva or any other AI for that matter.
It also says that too much or too little estrogen is bad and without bloodwork to find the sweet spot and knowing AIFM lowers estrogen I just decided to scrap it.
I'm not telling everyone to do it and maybe my science behind my decision is not all there, but thats what I did.
 
to tell you the truth... i just get a big gear order from my boy...he had some laying around and was just like hey bro im gonna give you a mg of igf to try... so i only got a mg...just trying to figure out how im gonna run it....coo
 
Kachunga said:
Like I said, I don't use Nolva or any other AI for that matter.
It also says that too much or too little estrogen is bad and without bloodwork to find the sweet spot and knowing AIFM lowers estrogen I just decided to scrap it.
I'm not telling everyone to do it and maybe my science behind my decision is not all there, but thats what I did.

I recently asked this question on another topic and Macro responded that AIFM is fine to use while on GH but only 1pump ED or EOD.

link: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6773119&postcount=302
 
So how long could I run it at 50mcg postworkout 5 days a week? I want to run it 3 months like this. Will it be effective this way?
 
krishna said:
So how long could I run it at 50mcg postworkout 5 days a week? I want to run it 3 months like this. Will it be effective this way?
IMO you will start to see a decrease in the performance of your igf after the 6-8 week mark. But everyone is different and you are welcome to try it for 3 months.
 
Kachunga said:
IMO you will start to see a decrease in the performance of your igf after the 6-8 week mark. But everyone is different and you are welcome to try it for 3 months.

I'll be rotating sites. What do you recommend to get better results without wasting the igf?
 
krishna said:
I'll be rotating sites. What do you recommend to get better results without wasting the igf?
Rotating sites has nothing to do with it.
I would recommend 30 days@50mcgs/ed then take 30 off. Then cycle again.
Thats the way I do it except I use 100mcgs/ed
 
ripped691978 said:
You must got some cash cause that cost at least 1,500$ if your source is good, thats alot of money for 1 month

1 MG is about the price of 100 cheeseburgers if you ahve a good source... How do you figure it is $1500 for a month?
 
krishna said:
How long can I run it if I do 100mcg every 3rd day?

I have never heard of this "schedule" - Running every day you should imit to 4 weeks. I would not "re-invent" the wheel - Run 100mcg ed for 28 days.
 
black sheep said:
I have never heard of this "schedule" - Running every day you should imit to 4 weeks. I would not "re-invent" the wheel - Run 100mcg ed for 28 days.
Blacksheep, you did twice-a-day injects, no? When?
 
shivastool said:
Blacksheep, you did twice-a-day injects, no? When?

I did 2 injections at the same time - Post work out in the muscle trained (Except calves - did those once and regretted the pain!)
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
i have a mg...i think im gonna just go ahead and run it ed 40mg ed til its gone...
I think you will enjoy that.
Also remember, that Lr3 stimulates satellite cells to create new muscle cells. It will then take time to develop those new cells, so don't expect any kind of miracle. But over time you will look back and see the changes.
 
krishna said:
Black sheep is advising against this.
I don't think its good either. However, if you really want to do it e3d, and you want to stay on indef, make sure you post your results. In theory I guess it would work, but until I hear greatg things about e3d, I will continue with ed.
 
Some people swear by ed, while others e3d, I did my net research and also have tried both ways- found that e3d is producing the same results as ed. For me e3d makes the most sense economicaly and scientifically
 
Cutt29 said:
Some people swear by ed, while others e3d, I did my net research and also have tried both ways- found that e3d is producing the same results as ed. For me e3d makes the most sense economicaly and scientifically

Define same results. You saw the same results over the same period of time, or you say the same results taking it ed for 30 days as you did taking e3d for 3 months?? I have to dount that doing it 1/3 as often would yeild the same results. If so, where all the variables the same?

On another note I jsut heard that Stallion is releasing a Media grade that will come boxed with AA and Bac water. I hear that 1mg will be very reasonably priced. As soon as my source gets his hands on it I am going to run 2mg at 70mcg ed for 28 days.
 
black sheep said:
Define same results. You saw the same results over the same period of time, or you say the same results taking it ed for 30 days as you did taking e3d for 3 months?? I have to dount that doing it 1/3 as often would yeild the same results. If so, where all the variables the same?
QUOTE]

same "results" (short term and visable) are increased vascularity and increased pumps, simply put if your doing the same dose 1/3 as often but your receptors are fresh, without any saturation and/or downregulation then that is how it would yield "the same results"
 
Cutt29 said:
Some people swear by ed, while others e3d, I did my net research and also have tried both ways- found that e3d is producing the same results as ed. For me e3d makes the most sense economicaly and scientifically
You know why? Because it has a half life longer than 6 hrs!
 
these instructions are on a few other boards, i cut and pasted them to this thread as there have been numerous threads started asking these very questions

Post #1 Complete Idiots guide to reconstitution of Peptides by thegame46
For IGF you use an acetic acid solution. If one was not made available to you you can make the solution using 7 parts distilled water and 1 part vinegar from the grocery store. You must filter this through a sterile syring filter before use however.

For MGF use Bacteriostatic Water BW.

For HGH Fragments and GHRP's also use BW.

When reconstituting you are going to add the liquid to th vial containing the powder is a slow controled manner with the vial tilted so that the liquid trickles out of the needles and rolls down the side of the vial. Do not squirt it directly into the peptide b/c this may damage it.

How do you know how much to use?
Well you need to know how much is in the vial and how much you wnat your dose to be. I like to make mine so that the dosage comes out to being an even 10IU so its easy to measure accurately.

You will need insulin syringes with IU (internatioal units) measurements.
and IU is 1/100 of a mL or a 100,000 of a Liter. This is a measurement of volume.

You peptide will be labeled in mcg. (micrograms) which is 1/1000 of a mg or 1 millionth of a gram.

Your vial will likely have either 1 or 2 mg of peptide inside thats 1000-2000 mcg.

Say you have a 1mg vial and you add 1ML you get
1000mcg/1mL: 10 mcg per IU
and so on if you add more.
1000mcg/2mL: 5.0 mcg per IU
1000mcg/3mL: 3.3 mcg per IU
1000mcg/4mL: 2.5 mcg per IU

if you have a 2mg vial simply multiply these number by 2
2000mcg/1mL: 20 mcg per IU

Now you are not going to be able to accurately measure 1 IU. I'd say 5 IU is the smallest measurement I would reccomend and 10IU is even easier to measure. So lets look at these dilutions for 5 and 10 IUs
1000mcg/1mL: 100 mcg per 10IU
and so on if you add more.
1000mcg/2mL: 50 mcg per 10IU
1000mcg/3mL: 33.3 mcg per 10IU
1000mcg/4mL: 25 mcg per 10IU

Or
1000mcg/1mL: 50 mcg per IU
and so on if you add more.
1000mcg/2mL: 25 mcg per IU
1000mcg/3mL: 16.6 mcg per IU
1000mcg/4mL: 12.5 mcg per IU

Post#2 by ****one
first remove the vacuum from the vial, by injecting air into it. when the vacuum is gone it will no longer pull the plunger down. if there is no vacuum, it's nothing to worry about

you can use as much AA as you like. the original kits came with 1ml. most time when i drew it into a syringe, it was't even that much, which of course is a problem. if you want to use 1ml, fine, 2ml, fine.

i personally use 2ml because it is easier to measure later when you draw it into a syring.

after removing the vacuum SLOWLY add AA to the vial. try not to let the stream of aa hit the powder directly, try to let it run down the glass into the powder. when the aa is in gently swirl the vial until all is disolved. do not shake.

a 1ml syringe is marked like this llll10llll20llll30llll40llll50llll60...etc
a 1/2 ml syringe is like this llll5llll10llll15llll20llll25llll30

on a 1ml each line represents 2 units 2,4,6,8,10
on a 1/2 ml each line is 1 unit 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. this makes it easier to measure.

so if you use 1ml of aa, on a 1ml pin, each line is 20mcg. on a 1/2ml pin each line is 10mcg

if you use 2ml of aa, on a 1ml pin each line is 10mcg, on a 1/2 ml each line is 5mcg...the 5line is 25mcg, 10 line is 50mcg...etc

so you see that the easiest way to measure is using 2ml and a 1/2ml pin

your igf is stored in aa solution, nacl is added to dilute at the time of injection. draw twice as much nacl as igf. so if you draw igf to the ten line, draw nacl to the 30 line and you are ready to go.


Once again if you are using a 2mg vial just multiply these numbers by 2.
 
Cutt29 said:
well Cutt29 doesn't know, care to share with him
okay okay. This is probably gonna stir some shit but f@%k it I know I'm right on this one.
Someone posted a thread about using slin to increase the half life of igf-1lr3. I'm actually surprised you didnt see/chime in on this one Cutt. My take is that Lr3 has a half life of 26-30 hrs. Drrman (I have 100% respect for this cat) and Ricorico (don't know too well, but seems to have his shit together) swear that it is only 6 hrs. Rico's proof is that in his Igtropin kit there is an insert saying that it is only 6 hrs and to use slin in the am first shot to make the lr3 last longer in the body. My proof came in the form of a link to GenSci's Igtropin page that said it was a 24(6)-30 half life. For some reason the link failed to work and I looked like a idiot, but I know what I saw. I am actually going to try the link again b/c I think it was a server problem.
So when you said that eod was working fine for you, VOILA, it kinda backs up what I said. If a 6 hr half life were true, your eod injects would not work worth a shit.
Now you know.
 
ok since I am running this with hcg clomid nolv and 10mg dbol its extremely likely that if my calories are up n my training is intense I could actually gain more mass n stay ripped then when using a low amt of test like 250mg a week eh?
 
JKurz1 said:
ok since I am running this with hcg clomid nolv and 10mg dbol its extremely likely that if my calories are up n my training is intense I could actually gain more mass n stay ripped then when using a low amt of test like 250mg a week eh?
???
 
Ive read and read and read...........last and final question, I promise. I got the 1mg bottle of powder today and nothing else. If my plan is to mix 5ccs of liquid in it do I use BW or AA? Assume I can just mix it right in the 10cc bottle the pwder came in and refridgerate...correct??
 
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