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Possible reason for some abcesses

acneman

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14402805/wid/11915773?GT1=8618
theory: injection puncture plus bacteria on gym equip what do ya think

um it also talks about how to make your butt bigger
MSN HEALTH & FITNESS said:
Viruses aren't the only concern. A more dangerous, though much less common, threat is a bacterium called methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, notes Hirsch. MRSA can lead to an aggressive skin infection that may cause boils, redness, swelling and discomfort, and doctors worry about it because it continues to mutate and doesn't respond to certain antibiotics.

"The new strain tends to be more toxic, to cause larger infections," says Hirsch. "Instead of a boil it causes an abscess."
MRSA and other types of staph infections can be contracted by touching equipment and then touching a scratch or other skin opening — providing you with another good reason to clean grimy machines before you use them.
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Yup I have seen alot of cases wherre MRSA was probably picked up at the gym. That stuff can exist in the air for a good while, and can easily spread. It is a very opprotunistic bacteria.
 
I changed gyms recently, and I really like the new one im at. They have these spray bottles and rags near pretty much every machine in the gym for you to wipe down equipment. Not sure whats in there, but Im sure its some type of disenfectant, or anti-bacterial spray. First gym Ive been to that does something like this. And its not no fancy 24hr fitness club. Been to plenty of those, and never seen them do anything but try to sell ya a $1k/year membership..
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
I changed gyms recently, and I really like the new one im at. They have these spray bottles and rags near pretty much every machine in the gym for you to wipe down equipment. Not sure whats in there, but Im sure its some type of disenfectant, or anti-bacterial spray. First gym Ive been to that does something like this. And its not no fancy 24hr fitness club. Been to plenty of those, and never seen them do anything but try to sell ya a $1k/year membership..
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if they didnt have something like that id bring my own
lysol probably
 
Remember staph bacteria is everywhere already on your skin, so any open puncture or wound is possibly at risk. This bacteria once under skin will cause abcesses for sure.
 
welloiledmachine said:
Remember staph bacteria is everywhere already on your skin, so any open puncture or wound is possibly at risk. This bacteria once under skin will cause abcesses for sure.
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you got a protocol recomendation
 
Right when i leave the gym i have antibacterial liquid in my car and i wash my hands with it. Then i wash my hands when i get home and just rub a prepackaged alcohol square around the area where i am going to inject plus i swab the vial stopper too. i think thats about a safe as you can get. Maybe i am just OCD. ;)
 
liquidmuscle said:
Right when i leave the gym i have antibacterial liquid in my car and i wash my hands with it. Then i wash my hands when i get home and just rub a prepackaged alcohol square around the area where i am going to inject plus i swab the vial stopper too. i think thats about a safe as you can get. Maybe i am just OCD. ;)
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no not ocd i think, good idea

this from the ejection soreness thread
rakasha681 said:
id be carefull with the hot tub.. breeding ground for bateria no matter how clean you keep it, and a jet is the easiest way for it to get forced into your injection site. When im using mine, i usually use a tresaderm waterproof banadage over the area(have a ton left from my surgery) or recently ive been turned on to the liquid bandages, they work great too. But i might just be paranoid.
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this from the ejection soreness thread

ive heard the liquid bandage is not so good for punctures if im wrong let me know, it would be great for any abrasion or small cut

so sofar we have
bring antibacterial hand cleaner and use after/during workout

bring antibacterial cleaner for gym equipment and clean anything you are gonna use like lysol spray

use water proof bandages for any injection site or booboo(can buy at any pharm or walmart)

clean and sterilize injection site and amp or bottle prior to draw and injection

anything else
 
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the best thing to remember is always alcohol swab your gear vial and your injection site before and after injection. this may cut down on possible infection obviously. For anyone who has never had a staph infection, abcess etc. Don't risk it and always follow a strick protocol..Staph can kill ya and is characterized by night sweats, fever, redness, and sorness of an injection area.
 
Cal me crazy but I use Alcohol in a spray bottle. I spray down my hands a little bit, the area I am going to inject and I lay down the needle, and bottle on a piece of paper towel and spray it down a little bit with alcohol. I then swab the injectiong site and the top of the bottle and draw up in ject and swab again. You can never be too safe and alcohol costs next to nothing.

With that in mind what kinds of antibiotics do you think should be kept on hand?
 
fuck, i don't touch the needle with anything or spray it, that shit hurts going in if it's still wet.

i swab my vial, take out needle, suck out shit, twist off that needle and twist on injecting needle, swab the shit out of the whole area near where i am injecting with a fresh swab, inject, and swab whole area again with another clean swab. like you said, alcholol is cheap.
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
I changed gyms recently, and I really like the new one im at. They have these spray bottles and rags near pretty much every machine in the gym for you to wipe down equipment. Not sure whats in there, but Im sure its some type of disenfectant, or anti-bacterial spray. First gym Ive been to that does something like this. And its not no fancy 24hr fitness club. Been to plenty of those, and never seen them do anything but try to sell ya a $1k/year membership..
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yes this is good, I have been to some gyms when traveling that also do this
but not always people use. I like to bring a towel big enough to cover where my skin will touch padding and never touch my face with my hands.
 
jagerbombme said:
fuck, i don't touch the needle with anything or spray it, that shit hurts going in if it's still wet.

i swab my vial, take out needle, suck out shit, twist off that needle and twist on injecting needle, swab the shit out of the whole area near where i am injecting with a fresh swab, inject, and swab whole area again with another clean swab. like you said, alcholol is cheap.
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I spray it down while the needle is still capped. Basically I just worry about my area being sterile. Paranoid somewhat but I just figure why not risk it. I don't do this all the time........shit most of the guys I know shoot right after the gym no alcohol no nothing not even an aspiration.
 
Alcohol doesn't "sterilize" anything. Alcohol works by breaking down chemical bonds so you can wipe gross contamination away. About 3 years ago there was a huge recall of packaged alcohol swabs due to bacterial contamination.....that's right: The swabs themselves were the source of contamination. Almost everyone has staph in their nose, and most everyone who works in a hospital has MRSA. It only gets out of control when the immune system is compromised.
 
Selene said:
actually it is best to use betadine for injection area, but it leaves ugly red/orange stain on skin so much wash it away after injection
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And don't forget that betadine only works when it has thoroughly dried...at least 2 minutes.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Some of you are either paranoid or you're in denial...
People aren't getting abscesses from gym equipment. Lee Priest didn't get an abscess from his gym either.

LOL @ bringing lysol to the gym. They need to provide that
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I always wash my hands when Im done, thats it. I dont wipe down equipment, but its cool my gym has that stuff available if you want too. Only time Ill wipe something down, is when someone sweaty ass pig uses a machine and leaves a river of sweat on it. You know who you clowns are, at least be courteous to wipe it yourself, instead of making someone else have too.. Kinda disgusting!
 
I guess I have some question then.

1. Do yall wash before doing injections?
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1a. Do yall use hydrogen peroxide on the injection site after injection
*edit*
2. After the injection do you use bandaids to cover the break in the skin like any other skin break??

I've been in gyms with breaks in the skin, scrapes, paper cuts, shaving cuts and I've never had an abscess. I've been working out for 20 years. I've been cut in the gym from getting too intense and what not and still no abscess. The paranoia as I'v read on this thread a little over the top.

10 years ago did you hear anyone say , "whereis the lysol" in the gym? I think some of yall are injecting contaminated gear... That's it

ItalianMuscle27 said:
I always wash my hands when Im done, thats it. I dont wipe down equipment, but its cool my gym has that stuff available if you want too. Only time Ill wipe something down, is when someone sweaty ass pig uses a machine and leaves a river of sweat on it. You know who you clowns are, at least be courteous to wipe it yourself, instead of making someone else have too.. Kinda disgusting!
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gjohnson5 said:
I guess I have some question then.

1. Do yall wash before doing injections?
*edit*
1a. Do yall use hydrogen peroxide on the injection site after injection
*edit*
2. After the injection do you use bandaids to cover the break in the skin like any other skin break??

I've been in gyms with breaks in the skin, scrapes, paper cuts, shaving cuts and I've never had an abscess. I've been working out for 20 years. I've been cut in the gym from getting too intense and what not and still no abscess. The paranoia as I'v read on this thread a little over the top.

10 years ago did you hear anyone say , "whereis the lysol" in the gym? I think some of yall are injecting contaminated gear... That's it
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hey mabey your right
but at the local county jail they have had outbreak of staff resulting in over a dozen abcesses including a deputy
do you think they all injected dirty gear
do you think they were all imunosupressed

its a whole new world out there
besides its just a theory
i didnt say it was the cause
msn said it was
 
acneman said:
hey mabey your right
but at the local county jail they have had outbreak of staff resulting in over a dozen abcesses including a deputy
do you think they all injected dirty gear
do you think they were all imunosupressed

its a whole new world out there
besides its just a theory
i didnt say it was the cause
msn said it was
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Yes....the ones that got it had a weakness in their immune system.
 
medical said:
Yes....the ones that got it had a weakness in their immune system.
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define weakness
if you have a cold it makes you more suseptible to other infections like bronchitis (sp?)
right
also ive read that anabolic steroids can act as an imunosupressant
i know what your thinking
cortisone
no thats why i said anabolic
ive also read that anabolics can stimulate the imune system
so ?????
and you are sayn that if you have an open wound that is contaminated with a highly virilant staph bacteria you would have to have something wrong with you to get an abcess??
 
gjohnson5 said:
I guess I have some question then.

1. Do yall wash before doing injections?
*edit*
1a. Do yall use hydrogen peroxide on the injection site after injection
*edit*
2. After the injection do you use bandaids to cover the break in the skin like any other skin break??

I've been in gyms with breaks in the skin, scrapes, paper cuts, shaving cuts and I've never had an abscess. I've been working out for 20 years. I've been cut in the gym from getting too intense and what not and still no abscess. The paranoia as I'v read on this thread a little over the top.

10 years ago did you hear anyone say , "whereis the lysol" in the gym? I think some of yall are injecting contaminated gear... That's it
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I do all injections right after getting out of shower. Have done this for over 5 years. Never used alcohol or peroxide in those 5 years either before or after injections..

I dont use bandaids unless I cut myself shaving.. :) I always nick myself on the elbow or forearms..

Only thing you can catch from the gym that I know of is hepatitis. As for catching an abcess, hardly. Its from injecting bad gear like you said, and not from some unsanitary gym equipment. Being in my line of work, you are constantly washing your hands, so it is normal for me after I work out to wash my hands.
 
You're like me then... I go to the gym and may have broken skin and it's never been a problem.

Biologist say that the excessive use ot anti bacterials is one thing that weakens the immune system in the first place

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one of the things that weakens the immune system
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ItalianMuscle27 said:
I do all injections right after getting out of shower. Have done this for over 5 years. Never used alcohol or peroxide in those 5 years either before or after injections..

I dont use bandaids unless I cut myself shaving.. :) I always nick myself on the elbow or forearms..

Only thing you can catch from the gym that I know of is hepatitis. As for catching an abcess, hardly. Its from injecting bad gear like you said, and not from some unsanitary gym equipment. Being in my line of work, you are constantly washing your hands, so it is normal for me after I work out to wash my hands.
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acneman said:
define weakness
if you have a cold it makes you more suseptible to other infections like bronchitis (sp?)
right
also ive read that anabolic steroids can act as an imunosupressant
i know what your thinking
cortisone
no thats why i said anabolic
ive also read that anabolics can stimulate the imune system
so ?????
and you are sayn that if you have an open wound that is contaminated with a highly virilant staph bacteria you would have to have something wrong with you to get an abcess??
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There is some reason that those people developed an infection (by nature an 'abcess' requires a deep subq introduction of the agent) I bet you 90% of the population would test positive for the agent in a closed society like a jail.
So I stick by my original statement.
 
medical said:
There is some reason that those people developed an infection (by nature an 'abcess' requires a deep subq introduction of the agent) I bet you 90% of the population would test positive for the agent in a closed society like a jail.
So I stick by my original statement.
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so an exterior contamination of a puncture wound(injection site) would not develope an abcess

sorry but im gonna go with Dr. Bruce Hirsch, an infectious disease specialist at North Shore University Hospital in Manhasset, N.Y.
 
In a healthy individual exterior contamination of sterile injection site should not cause an abcess. Phrase it that way to the illustrious Dr. Hirsch.
 
medical said:
In a healthy individual exterior contamination of sterile injection site should not cause an abcess. Phrase it that way to the illustrious Dr. Hirsch.
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i would but i dont know the guy i just read the article. did you?

shit man i dont know if it can happen or not but you are only responding to one of my several points

if you have a simple common illness it that enough to compromise your imune system?

can anabolics supress the immune system?

and you are sayn that if you have an open wound that is contaminated with a highly virilant staph bacteria you would have to have something wrong with you to get an abcess??

could the two points above constitute a risk factor in this happening?

if so would it not be a good idea to wipe gym equipment with disinfectant if any of the above applied

well?? im intrested to see your thoughts on this
 
I think with the folks that do sensible dosages that no anabolics don't cause any immune system issues. It's with the folks that do huge abuser doses that they get sick ,etc

acneman said:
i would but i dont know the guy i just read the article. did you?

shit man i dont know if it can happen or not but you are only responding to one of my several points

if you have a simple common illness it that enough to compromise your imune system?

can anabolics supress the immune system?
and you are sayn that if you have an open wound that is contaminated with a highly virilant staph bacteria you would have to have something wrong with you to get an abcess??

could the two points above constitute a risk factor in this happening?

if so would it not be a good idea to wipe gym equipment with disinfectant if any of the above applied

well?? im intrested to see your thoughts on this
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acneman said:
i would but i dont know the guy i just read the article. did you?

shit man i dont know if it can happen or not but you are only responding to one of my several points

if you have a simple common illness it that enough to compromise your imune system?

can anabolics supress the immune system?

and you are sayn that if you have an open wound that is contaminated with a highly virilant staph bacteria you would have to have something wrong with you to get an abcess??

could the two points above constitute a risk factor in this happening?

if so would it not be a good idea to wipe gym equipment with disinfectant if any of the above applied

well?? im intrested to see your thoughts on this
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Yes, a simple illness such as a cold will suppress the immune system.
Yes, anabolics can (especially with extended use) suppress the immune system.
I am saying that it takes a deep introduction of a heavy "loading dose" to cause an abcess in a healthy individual. You would be far more likely to develop skin lesions than an abcess. An abcess generally requires a large introduction subcutaneously or IM. I am saying that it would be extremely rare for a healthy individual to develope an abcess from skin exposure, even if they had recent injections.
Of course it would be a good idea to wipe gym equipement if you had breaks in the skin, but I don't consider small-bore injection sites done under sterile or even clean conditions to be either "puncture wounds" or breaks in skin integrity! An injection done with smaller than an 18 ga needle is sealed below the epidermis in minutes. Bacterium/viri cannot penetrate deeply enough to cause an abcess.
Sorry for the tone of my earlier post. I didn't mean to be condescending but this type of thing is really simple and is something I deal with on a daily basis.
 
medical said:
Sorry for the tone of my earlier post. I didn't mean to be condescending but this type of thing is really simple and is something I deal with on a daily basis.
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its ok im not mad

just a little curious
the article i read was like a scratch could lead to abcess

and any way gjohnson and medical

if we have a simple common illness or heavy gear use would you still be unworried about possible staph contamonation from gym equipment

if your answer is no that ok to
in the beginning of this thread my question was "what do you think?"
next time ill be more careful and ask
what do you think and you better agree with me? :p :p :p :p :p
 
I am not worried in the least about staph contamination in the gym. My work environment is far more virulent than the gym (plus I work out in my home gym!) and I have always believed (and research confirms) that a healthy immune system is strengthened by exposure to multiple pathogens, is weakened by any antibiotic use, and is bolstered by frequent infections early in life.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I guess I have some question then.

1. Do yall wash before doing injections?
*edit*
1a. Do yall use hydrogen peroxide on the injection site after injection
*edit*
2. After the injection do you use bandaids to cover the break in the skin like any other skin break??

I've been in gyms with breaks in the skin, scrapes, paper cuts, shaving cuts and I've never had an abscess. I've been working out for 20 years. I've been cut in the gym from getting too intense and what not and still no abscess. The paranoia as I'v read on this thread a little over the top.

10 years ago did you hear anyone say , "whereis the lysol" in the gym? I think some of yall are injecting contaminated gear... That's it
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Never think it can't happen to you. I have been around people for 15 years that have had MRSA, never thinking I would have a problem. Guess what? I was wrong. This last year I have 3 abcesses, not from gear but by being contaminated by being in close contact with people who were MRSA positive. These bugs are very hard to stop. They are coming to a city near you.

L8R, J
 
this is all interesting and strange at the same time. now i am currently knocking on wood with this one. but, i am an electrician and cut myself all the time, my hands and arms have cuts all over them constantly, there's times there's twenty cuts and scrapes on me at once. it's nature of the job. handling conduit with oil and dirt all over it, dusty wire and material, hands are filthy when i get out of work. i have never ever ever, knock on wood, had an infection in a cut or scrape or anything. i find this odd being most people carry staph on them, how and why i never got infected.


my injection practice though is to take a shower, get dressed, get all my materials needed into the kitchen, wash my hands again, and then proceed as i indicated before. something with taking a shower prior keeps the skin soft for less prickly needle pain. i have to agree with whomever said also that this little bitty hole closes up quickly probably within minutes as he said. i don't think your injecting, going to the gym, sitting down and bacteria going through your clothing, into your injection site and causing abcesses. just don't buy it.

this is a good debate though and hopefully sparks everyone to learn and do more sterile operations when injecting
 
well i got an abcess
nurses all said staff
doc said staff or spider bite
i told him i felt a stinging itching in the spot before inflamation and thought it was a mosquito bite
he said it could have been a mosquito followed by staff
long story short i got cut and packed with gauze
no wound before infection and developed a cold during progression of the abcess so i possibly could have been imunosupressed by the cold prior to symptoms
the docs and nurses said that they deal with about 5 to 10 of these a day and i live in a small town outside of biloxi ms
 
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