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Example from Glenn P. on adding 42 lbs. to the Squat in 10 weeks

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On another board, Glenn P. posted this example of Becky, one of his female trainees. She added 42 pounds to her squats in 10 weeks w/ his guidance. She went from doing 1 set of 5 with 178 to doing 5 sets of 5 w/ 220! Pretty damn impressive. This is a pretty awesome example of progressive training. Pay attention to what he's doing w/ the week-to-week volume, intensity, etc. That's called programming. I'm not putting this up here as a cookie-cutter "squat program," b/c he didn't post it that way. I just find it really helpful to see how people structure and manipulate program variables to achieve results. Check out what he's doing, and then think about all those weeks the average gym rat does the same thing over and over and over . . . LoL

Here's the first part of his original post, and then I'll insert my summary of the weight program she ran b/c it's easier to follow than his write-up. LoL Then I'll continue his post below that. I hope it's OK w/ him that I've reposted this. I'll take it down if necessary.

Glenn P said:
becky came here with a best set of 5 on the back squat of 178lbs. she is a big and strong looking girl, so i was kind of amazed that she couldnt squat more... but i witnessed her doing about that for sets a few times, and sure enough it was damn hard.

roughly 3 months ago she decided her squat wasnt going up with what she had been doing, and decided to try to do what i had been trying to get her to do... to go along with her trying a new workout i bet her $20 that she would squat 220lbs for 5 sets of 5 reps before the arnold, which as i remember it was at that time about 10 weeks away. she took the bet as her squat had been stuck for over a year and she really didnt think she could make that sort of progress in that amount of time. this is how we approached improving her squat, which is representative of how we usually do things.

Week 1 – Starting 1x5 max = 178
o Monday – 5x5 w/ 178 (“she was skeptical, but willing to try. luckily we had a full training room, plenty of people to yell and scream at her. she was really grinding them out, but the second and third sets were just like the first, absolutely limit but she made them. she failed on the last rep of the 4th or 5th set, but good effort.”)
o Wed. – 5x5 w/ 165
o Fri. – 2x5 w/ 183

Week 2
o Mon. - 5x5 w/ 178
o Wed. – 5x5 w/ 165
o Fri. – 5x5 w/ 183

Week 3
o Mon. -- 5x5 w/ 183
o Wed. – 5x5 w/ 165
o Fri. – 5x5 w/ 183

Week 4
o Mon. – 5x5 w/ 183
o Wed. – 5x5 w/ 172
o Fri. – 5x5 w/ 183

(“that was a heavy period, she was tired all the time, not seeming to get much stronger”)

Week 5
o Mon. – 3x5 w/ 154
o Wed. – 1x5 w/ 198
o Fri. – 5x5 w/ 187

Week 6
o Mon. – 3x5 w/ 154
o Wed. 1x5 w/ 205
o Fri. – front squats to max

Week 7
o Mon. - 1x5 w/ 193
o Wed. – front squats to max
o Fri. – 5x5 w/ 198

(“those 3 weeks were less load, she was recovering and feeling stronger, only 2 really hard workouts in those 3 weeks, last workout a big one that showed she was recovering well and getting much stronger”)

Week 8
o Mon. – 1x5 w/ 209 (“didnt plan to go all that heavy, but she was looking strong”)
o Wed. / Fri. – off due to competition (its unclear whether Becky competed here but I, protobuilder, assume she did)

Week 9
o Mon. – 3x5 w/ 178
o Wed. – 1x5 w/ 198
o Fri. – 1x5 w/ 215

Week 10
o Mon. - 3x5 w/ 178
o Wed. – light front squats
o Fri. – 1x5 w/ 215

(“these 3 weeks also easy, the sets with 209 and 215 were getting easier as she was recovering more”)

Week 11
o Mon. – 5x5 w/ 220 ("b/c last Fri. was easy")
o W/F – off due to upcoming competition

Glenn P. said:
not a perfect sqaut cycle, remember that becky was training often 2 times per day doing snatches and clean and jerks, and sometimes 3 times per day. sometimes what we WANTED to do with squats was not an option based on her going to heavy weights so often on snatch and clean and jerk, and having to back off sometimes on squat to allow her to consistently lift at least %90 to %95 on the competitive lifts. becky was able to succeed with 70kilo snatches and 85kilo clean and jerks consistently throughout this training period, these weights were her maxes before we started this. she occasionally did 72 snatch and 87 clean and jerk, but she was doing 70/85 3 days a week, and doing the 70 snatch often 2 or 3 workouts a day. on her light days she did about 65 snatch and 75 or 80 clean and jerk.

her workouts looked basically like monday, wed, friday, take a morning light workout of 65snatch and 80kilo clean and jerk, then in afternoon take 70/85 and sometimes then start over and work to 70/85 again, then squat, then often in evening come back for something like 70/80. light days were done with 65/75 in the afternoon, then 65/80 in the evening. if tired, she only worked out one on light days instead of twice, or only worked out two times instead of 3 times on heavy days.

id say becky averaged about 12 workouts a week not counting the week directly before collegiate nationals... highest number of workouts was 15 in a week, lowest i think was 10.

at the arnold she did 75 snatch with a stupid miss at 77.5 that showed she was physically ready but not mentally ready, and then a solid clean and jerk with 92.5k. her squat best set of 5 went up 42lbs, with the higher weight actually being done for multiple sets.

i think her success in raising her squat was due to a few factors...

1. she was obviously ready to squat more, but for some reason wasnt. not everyone could make that much progress in a short time, she obviously had a little more in her than she was showing

2. she had never loaded really heavy, she was used to doing a certain thing and really was physciclly ready to respond to something different.

3. she was in good shape with no real injuries (her only injury is a knee problem which is left over from her former career as a track and field athletete, but with enough yelling and screaming and disgusted looks its effects on her training are minimized), so was able to do a fairly heavy loading period with about 12-15 sets of 5 a week for several weeks without breaking down too much. she also had a LOT of support in the gym to keep her motivated when she was tired and still had to do hard sets.

4. she trains with a girl who is smaller than her but outsquats her by a LOT and i suppose this pissed her off and motivated her.

5. by the end of the 4th or 5th week she was beginning to believe in what she was doing, and this gave her the confidenct to put weight on the bar and know she should be able to do it when the time came to rest a little bit and start going after the heavier weights. if you dont believe you are ready, you can fail even if you can physically do it.

we have upped the bet to double or nothing that she squats 242lbs for 1 set of 5 before senior nationals, which is about 7 weeks away.

this will be more difficult, because whe will be loading much harder with the competitive lifts as well as some things like drop snatches and other exercises picked to try to abolish her mental and physical problems catching a snatch. she will drop snatch 90kilos about 2-3 weeks out from the nationals, which will be up 10kilos from her current max. that will take some work, and that plus more snatching and clean and jerking will take a little away from her ability to squat hard. we also will not be able to load the squats with quite so many high rep sets this close to a big meet like nationals. so she will have to rely more on front squats lower volume, higher intensity training.

for our hard training for nationals, becky will approximately double the number of attamps over %90 that she takes in the snatch and clean and jerk for several weeks, along with adding in a couple of assistance exercises that she hasnt done in the past, and adding more front squats. this will make doing 5 sets of 5 in the squat with high weights impossible. so her squatting will include some workouts of 5 sets of 5 with fairly small weights, and more workouts of 1 set of 3-5 reps done at maximal weights.

after nationals, i will INSIST that she pay up the $40 that she will owe me.
 
Great post, I remember it from the PM you sent me a while back.....it is great motivation at the end of a training cycle when you're tired and run-down and tempted to be a pussy.
 
Well I'd been meaning to break down the workout so I could see the programming better, just finally got 'round to it.

It really hits home that the 5x5 is a tool, and not just a cookie-cutter, although 95% on this board (probably myself included) don't know enough to successfully fuck w/ the cookie-cutter yet. But seeing how he ran lighter weeks and heavier weeks etc., and did some 5x5 workouts w/ lighter weights, etc. is helpful.
 
Actually, that girl's routine is very, very similar to the Smolov, with the deload phase in the middle, it is sort of like 2 separate 'programs' rolled into one.
 
Good find PB. Like you say, I understand periodisation too, but I wouldn't really know where to start trying to create something like that myself. It's good to see another worked example of this kind of training.

I feel like going all dual factor :) Seriously, I think a loading phase might be what I need right now.
 
LoL

You can see where the "art" of training comes into play. I’m pretty certain this isn’t some rigid, pre-planned program he had her follow. It’s just a matter of adjusting volume, intensity, and individual recovery to achieve results. I’m starting to get the hang of it, backing off on volume on certain lifts when I’m wanting to set PRs in other lifts, eating more/less calories/carbs, backing off on weight sometimes, etc. But that type of “programming” is totally diff’t than “Well, my squat didn’t go up this week so I’m completely dropping my current program and trying a whole new completely diff’t program.”
 
Protobuilder said:
LoL

You can see where the "art" of training comes into play. I’m pretty certain this isn’t some rigid, pre-planned program he had her follow. It’s just a matter of adjusting volume, intensity, and individual recovery to achieve results. I’m starting to get the hang of it, backing off on volume on certain lifts when I’m wanting to set PRs in other lifts, eating more/less calories/carbs, backing off on weight sometimes, etc. But that type of “programming” is totally diff’t than “Well, my squat didn’t go up this week so I’m completely dropping my current program and trying a whole new completely diff’t program.”

Thats what it is all about, man.....The moment you realize we're all human, and there is no 'key to the universe' magic program. It is all about intensity and consistency.
 
This example reminds me of my bench program. I was all speed and ME until I stalled out. Dumb-ass that I was, it took me far too long to realize I needed to increase my volume. I've got things going in a wave now, heavy and light, but no speed or max effort at the moment, just a steady progression. The total lbs. moved per week is much more than previously. My gains are far more modest than Becky's but at least they're coming.
It's funny you mentioned Smolov, BiggT, because I was thinking just last week about the success of applying this concept to bench training. My plan was to complete my present program, do another ME/DE cycle to notice changes and keep in practice, then just transfer Smolov's %'s to my bench max and have at it. I don't see any downsides from a theoretical point of view, although I haven't given it a good hard look yet. :artist:

Another great post, Protobuilder. :bfold:
 
I've seen that before too but it's always worth another read. Great stuff.

Although now that I'm re-reading it, I'm kind of surprised he started her at her 5RM of 178 for 5 x 5 the very first workout. I would've thought he'd have her hit that in week 4 or so from what I've read of his other stuff.

I'm sure there's other circumstances, though, like some of the comments he added at the end, the fact that he felt she already had more in her, and so forth.

BTW just to be clear: I AM NOT QUESTIONING GLENN PENDLAY ;)
 
my short 3 week modified smolov worked real well too :)

50-60lbs good after a month of speed squats....

but really looking back you don't really need to kill yourself that much to get your legs stronger
 
Bump for others interested in seeing programming in action. Also, might be helpful to those wondering what exactly "5x5" means and to see how it's not meant to be an eternal cookie cutter.
 
jim,

feel free to question me all you want! hell, i question myself all the time.

as far as why we didnt start out lower, it was just the circumstance. we had a certain time period to do the cycle, based on the fact that she needed to get it over with before the arnold, and be ready for another before nationals, and she was in good shape, and so we just loaded right off the bat. thats why the weights kind of go up and down during loading, i was programming on the fly, trying to load as much as possible without breaking her down and compromising the snatch and clean and jerk training.

glenn
 
Interesting, looking at those numbers again and your comments from week to week. I suppose it's helps to remember she's a national level athlete too, as opposed to a regular gym rat.

I gotta learn to program on the fly :)
 
are all those 5x5 with the same weights? or worked up? and those 1x5 and 3x5.. are there any warm up sets prior to those work sets? if the answer was yes? i'll be buckling my knees now thinking about squatting my 5rm for 5 sets!! yikes!!
 
carlsuen, the workout only lists work sets. so when it says 5x5 with 178lbs, it means 178lbs for 5 sets of 5, warmups done before hand and not counted. if it says a certain weight for 1x5 or 3x5, thats how many sets she did with that exact weight, again, warmups not counted.



carlsuen said:
are all those 5x5 with the same weights? or worked up? and those 1x5 and 3x5.. are there any warm up sets prior to those work sets? if the answer was yes? i'll be buckling my knees now thinking about squatting my 5rm for 5 sets!! yikes!!
 
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