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Guys, just offering a little personal journal here.

I am doing a light cycle mainly to preserve muscle while cutting, but I also want to keep my cardio up to par.

The cycle I am doing is for about 50 days. Here is the basic run down:

200mg of Test Cyp per week
400mg of Bolenone Undeclynate (EQ) per week
600mg of Methenelone Enanthate (Primo) per week
50mg of Anavar per day
12.5 mg of exemestane per day (anti-estrogen to eliminate any water retention)

If my cardio capabilities go in the shitter, I will cease the cycle immediately... I will keep you posted as to my performance. I kickbox 4 times a week and grapple 1-3 times a week (I work more on my weakness ;) ). Hopefully there will be no drop off in cardio output.
 
I think this is a great cycle for your purposes. I train both MT and JJ so I use the same compounds almost exclusively although I don't usually use primo (3cpds is enough). The EQ will actually help your endurance. Your keeping the test low which is key but I don’t really see the need for the primo. I’m not one of those people who think primo sucks but for your purposes I don’t think the extra cash justifies the benefit.
 
Deltroit said:
I think this is a great cycle for your purposes. I train both MT and JJ so I use the same compounds almost exclusively although I don't usually use primo (3cpds is enough). The EQ will actually help your endurance. Your keeping the test low which is key but I don’t really see the need for the primo. I’m not one of those people who think primo sucks but for your purposes I don’t think the extra cash justifies the benefit.
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I make all my own stuff, so money is no object. This cycle will run me about a 80 bucks. I always have had nice clean gains with primo... but like I said, if cardio goes in the crapper, I am done.
 
Awesome idea for a thread!

I know so many guys are probably sitting behind computer monitors going " I wonder how/what/why/how much..." etc etc when it comes to a cycle and MMA.

Your experience here will be invaluable to many!

:coffee:
 
MikeMartial said:
Awesome idea for a thread!

I know so many guys are probably sitting behind computer monitors going " I wonder how/what/why/how much..." etc etc when it comes to a cycle and MMA.

Your experience here will be invaluable to many!

:coffee:
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Well, My amounts may be a little higher than most, but for a short 5 week cycle, I believe anything under a gram is a waste of time. I do think there are certain compounds that are useless for MMA (D-bol, Anadrol, Tren, heavy loads of test etc..) Even Deca is a bad option, but in my experience if you can get nandrolone phenylpropionate it is like all the good effects of deca without the bloat and deca dick. I think the main thing is adding strength, holding muscle and maintainiong cardiovascular output. Because we all know... It does not matter how big you are if you have a half gallon gas tank.
 
yeah, definitely keep us updated. I'm a fighter too, and I'm about 10 days into a little Tbol/Var 10 weeker, so I'll keep everyone posted on how mine goes too. Btw maing, you said 50 days, but then u said 5 weeks. How long are you running that shit?
 
KOArtist said:
yeah, definitely keep us updated. I'm a fighter too, and I'm about 10 days into a little Tbol/Var 10 weeker, so I'll keep everyone posted on how mine goes too. Btw maing, you said 50 days, but then u said 5 weeks. How long are you running that shit?
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I guess it is more like 6 weeks. I run the exemestane and var for an additional week while the longer chain esters clear. Then you can start PCT.
 
I wish it cost me $80 :worried: Why the short cycle and high doses? Not criticizing just curious? For anyone interested in AAS for MMA here’s a few things to keep in mind. For sport specific cycles such as MMA, the compounds must be adjusted not only in brand but in quantity and duration. The goal of a fighters cycle is different than that of a bodybuilder or football player. MMA cycles should increase Endurance, Strength, Quality (low weight gain) and recovery. Compounds: such as EQ, Var, Primo, & Low levels of test are ideal because they cause a large increase in strength, low weight gain, and can improve endurance (EQ) where (as Assface mentioned) Anadrol, Tren, Deca, Etc. will have adverse effects on the athletes performance in the ring. As a general rule the larger you are the less gas you will have. Although I do confess to using 10mg AM Dbol post cycle ;) Quantity: Should generally be kept under a gram. For most people (not all) anything too far over this level will find there endurance suffering. Duration: Should be as long a possible. Ideally never coming off. Now I am NOT advocating young or novice users "staying on" all the time. Because I'm young and Im not going to win the UFC or Pride championship anytime soon I still cycle. But for experienced athletes who make their livelihood living and dieing in the ring, staying on through out competition is ideal. This allows the athlete to sustain a level of training for long periods of time that would otherwise not be attainable. Furthermore it will enable them to make weight with the most muscle mass and least amount of fat coming in as strong as possible. These general rules will help your performance in the ring.
 
Deltroit said:
I wish it cost me $80 :worried: Why the short cycle and high doses? Not criticizing just curious? For anyone interested in AAS for MMA here’s a few things to keep in mind. For sport specific cycles such as MMA, the compounds must be adjusted not only in brand but in quantity and duration. The goal of a fighters cycle is different than that of a bodybuilder or football player. MMA cycles should increase Endurance, Strength, Quality (low weight gain) and recovery. Compounds: such as EQ, Var, Primo, & Low levels of test are ideal because they cause a large increase in strength, low weight gain, and can improve endurance (EQ) where (as Assface mentioned) Anadrol, Tren, Deca, Etc. will have adverse effects on the athletes performance in the ring. As a general rule the larger you are the less gas you will have. Although I do confess to using 10mg AM Dbol post cycle ;) Quantity: Should generally be kept under a gram. For most people (not all) anything too far over this level will find there endurance suffering. Duration: Should be as long a possible. Ideally never coming off. Now I am NOT advocating young or novice users "staying on" all the time. Because I'm young and Im not going to win the UFC or Pride championship anytime soon I still cycle. But for experienced athletes who make their livelihood living and dieing in the ring, staying on through out competition is ideal. This allows the athlete to sustain a level of training for long periods of time that would otherwise not be attainable. Furthermore it will enable them to make weight with the most muscle mass and least amount of fat coming in as strong as possible. These general rules will help your performance in the ring.
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Great post brother!

Through my experience I have found shorter, higher dose, cycles to be safer, more effective and less taxing on the HPT Axis recovery time. I have tried everything from 2 week to 16 week cycles and 4-6 weeks is the best in my opinion. I get blood work done before and after every cycle and anything past 5-6 weeks starts to really effect your lipid panel. Prolonged deleterious lipid panels are not a good thing and lead to many ill effects.

As for your under a gram rule... you may be right. I am a little over that, but I am looking at this as trial and error. If my cardio starts to blow, I will back it down.... just finish the anavar or cease all together.
 
For those of you looking to compete in larger shows - be aware of drug testing. Deca will stay in your system for 1 year or longer. Plan your cycles to have everything out of your system 10 - 14 days before your competition.
 
Hi this is a great thread!!! I train kickboxing and submission wrestling and I have done my first cycle -- deca 200 ml a week dbol 40 mg a day and var 40 mg a day all for about ten weeks.....on negative side effects at all was my cholesteral levels was high but back down now.....been off for about a 4 weeks.... I am 5'6" 185 ( was 160 ) body fat ??? - not sure some around my belly thats it... I want to start another cycle not sure when or how soon I can..... I compete in very small events... also trying to nurse a knee problem.... so drug tests are not a problem for me...... except I am going to be a an "officer" soon and yes many of my officer friends are on roids!!! can anyone help me on when I can do another cycle and what would be a good mma cycle stack for MMA but I kinda want to cut my belly fat maybe 2 inches away and get bigger too 200lbs maybe... and oh yea I did have some belly bloat on my first cycle......bloat and choelst level high thats it as far as negative side effects though.... and who is ready for the PRIDE open weight tourney!!! I am !!!!
 
Hey guys! Great thread! I must say that this is all great info for fighters. I am the Director of Ops for one of the biggest ammy promotions in the country.(and a fighter for others) I am not encouraging anyone to use aas, but not gonna bad mouth it either! Performance enhancers is what I like to call them... As far as the testing goes, I gotta tell you that most sanctioning bodies dont require amatures to be screened for drugs. And the ones that do have a narrow range on the ua. The testing usually is required consists of hiv and hep testing.... Just thought some of you would find that interesting.
 
extremesportsathlete said:
Hey guys! Great thread! I must say that this is all great info for fighters. I am the Director of Ops for one of the biggest ammy promotions in the country.(and a fighter for others) I am not encouraging anyone to use aas, but not gonna bad mouth it either! Performance enhancers is what I like to call them... As far as the testing goes, I gotta tell you that most sanctioning bodies dont require amatures to be screened for drugs. And the ones that do have a narrow range on the ua. The testing usually is required consists of hiv and hep testing.... Just thought some of you would find that interesting.
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Exactly... I know a few guys who are tested and their protocol is different than mine right now. I am not concerned so I can use EQ and Primo and longer esters. But if I was going to be tested... it would be Anavar or Winsrtol (oral only! If you inject the crystals may not dissipate from the injection site in time for competition) and some test prop or test suspension. D-bol would work as well, but for training purposes I think this would cause too much of a taxation on your cardiovascualr ability.
 
ass_face said:
Great post brother!

Through my experience I have found shorter, higher dose, cycles to be safer, more effective and less taxing on the HPT Axis recovery time. I have tried everything from 2 week to 16 week cycles and 4-6 weeks is the best in my opinion. I get blood work done before and after every cycle and anything past 5-6 weeks starts to really effect your lipid panel. Prolonged deleterious lipid panels are not a good thing and lead to many ill effects.

As for your under a gram rule... you may be right. I am a little over that, but I am looking at this as trial and error. If my cardio starts to blow, I will back it down.... just finish the anavar or cease all together.
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Keep me posted I'm very interested in your real world results. If possible please post how your training improved/suffered etc. Though I don't believe short cycles are the best option for mass gain I would like to explore the short cycle theory for MMA. I'd like to carve out a little niche for MMA sport specific athletes here. As for drug testing there are always ways around that. Pride doesnt drug test and neither to the majority of small shows.
 
Deltroit said:
Keep me posted I'm very interested in your real world results. If possible please post how your training improved/suffered etc. Though I don't believe short cycles are the best option for mass gain I would like to explore the short cycle theory for MMA. I'd like to carve out a little niche for MMA sport specific athletes here. As for drug testing there are always ways around that. Pride doesnt drug test and neither to the majority of small shows.
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Actually I have found short cycles (for example 4-5 weeks 8 weeks off and repeat) are far superior in mass gain than a straight 12 weeker). You can use less gear overall and get far better results. Also, you keep more of it because of the minimal supression of the HPTA.

Just a little Update... it is one week in. I am a little stronger, most likely from the anavar... and my cardio actually improved throughout the week. I really the think the exemestane is helping to keep the excess water off of me and this has helped in making sure I don't "gas out" when I train. I really won't be able to accurately evaluate this cycle until week 3, but so far so good.
 
ass_face said:
Actually I have found short cycles (for example 4-5 weeks 8 weeks off and repeat) are far superior in mass gain than a straight 12 weeker). You can use less gear overall and get far better results. Also, you keep more of it because of the minimal supression of the HPTA.

Just a little Update... it is one week in. I am a little stronger, most likely from the anavar... and my cardio actually improved throughout the week. I really the think the exemestane is helping to keep the excess water off of me and this has helped in making sure I don't "gas out" when I train. I really won't be able to accurately evaluate this cycle until week 3, but so far so good.
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Interesting, considering your running over a gram and half of gear right now. Just to clarify, when you say "overall" do you mean total for the entire length of the cycle? I do think 6+ can be beneficial. I don't think its the same for everyone (6,8,10,12wkrs) but even 4 week cycles are gonna shut you down just the same, and most people are not going to be able to hold onto that weight for any length of time. Have you ever come off for 4+ months? If so were you able to retain what you gained? How many cycles do you run in a typical year??? I run (3) 8 weeks cycles a year (time on = time off) this seems to work for me. I know others who prefer 10-12 but for me anything over 10 seems counterproductive. I really feel the EQ cardio benefit in week 3. I bet you'll be lovin it by then if haven't overdone the other compounds.
 
Deltroit said:
Interesting, considering your running over a gram and half of gear right now. Just to clarify, when you say "overall" do you mean total for the entire length of the cycle? I do think 6+ can be beneficial. I don't think its the same for everyone (6,8,10,12wkrs) but even 4 week cycles are gonna shut you down just the same, and most people are not going to be able to hold onto that weight for any length of time. Have you ever come off for 4+ months? If so were you able to retain what you gained? How many cycles do you run in a typical year??? I run (3) 8 weeks cycles a year (time on = time off) this seems to work for me. I know others who prefer 10-12 but for me anything over 10 seems counterproductive. I really feel the EQ cardio benefit in week 3. I bet you'll be lovin it by then if haven't overdone the other compounds.
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I think each person is different. I first started doing 4 week cycles. I bumped up to 6 and that was fine. I did an 8 weeker and that was ok... then I tried a 16 weeker and I thought it was a waste of gear. I used to cycle 3 times a year for 4-5 weeks at a time... This got me to about 250 at 11% (Started at 195 around 10-11%). 250 was too big and I felt awful carrying that weight on my 5' 10" frame... so....The entire year of 2004 I did not cycle and I settled in around 230. Now it seems like no matter what my body wants to be 230. I want to get to around 215 7% and stay there. I have no interest in being a musclebound behemoth.

Yeah, today will be a real test. It is week two and I felt sluggish all day. Not sure if I have some allergies or if the shit is starting to kick in. We shall find out in an hour.
 
ass_face said:
Yeah, today will be a real test. It is week two and I felt sluggish all day. Not sure if I have some allergies or if the shit is starting to kick in. We shall find out in an hour.
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Cardio still kicking ass. So far so good.
 
Sounds like 230 would have been your genetic limit. 250ish I hear ya. I was 255 @ 10% 6'1. And I have no desire to ever be that big again. Cardio sucked worse than a hooker with asthma. I feel best at around 220. But currently I went down to 180 to fight. I plan on going back up to 205+ @ 9-10% because business is picking up and I won't have enough time to train to justify fighting. At this weight and BF I think I'll feel good, look good, & perform good and It wont kill me to keep this level of body fat. 7% year round dayum, count me out I like beer!!!
 
Deltroit said:
Sounds like 230 would have been your genetic limit. 250ish I hear ya. I was 255 @ 10% 6'1. And I have no desire to ever be that big again. Cardio sucked worse than a hooker with asthma. I feel best at around 220. But currently I went down to 180 to fight. I plan on going back up to 205+ @ 9-10% because business is picking up and I won't have enough time to train to justify fighting. At this weight and BF I think I'll feel good, look good, & perform good and It wont kill me to keep this level of body fat. 7% year round dayum, count me out I like beer!!!
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Being big is great for walking around, but for all round athleticism it is no good. I hear ya... I won't even step in to training unless I am 235 or under... otherwise I am weezing like a 90 year old man. Man... it has been about 6 years since I have even been close to 180. If I can get within 205 range, I will be happy. I don't want to be scrapping with 6' 7" behemoths.

A little update... I have been sluggish as hell during the day, but training seems to be OK... so far. Usually when I cycle I have about a 7 day period where the body adjusts... this usually means a little sluggishness.
 
Update... sluggishness has ceased. Did some Thai Pad drills yesterday... you know 1-2-9, 2-3-10, etc... was sucking wind hard, but that usually kicks my ass no matter what. In addition I may have blew my wad in the morning when I ran steps in the morning. I have no weight gain... in fact I may have lost about 3 pounds. Since I started the cycle I have been very strict with my diet. Whenever I introduce anabolics I have the potential of gaining 20 pounds fast, so I have to pay very close attention to my diet. Its only been 2 weeks, but I look significantly leaner already. Next week will be the real test. Week 3 is usually when all the esters start really kicking in.
 
I'm about 3.5 weeks into my tbol/var run now, and I must say the tbol is starting to give me the wicked back pumps, which is hampering my training a bit, but oh well, only about 10 more days of tbol and then I'm off to the backpump free land of var only for another 5-6 weeks. I just figured I'd post here since the tbol could definitely interfere with fight training...although I didn't have any of Radar's handy Lindberg Milk Thistle around..so that might have cured the backpumps if I knew they were coming.

I'll do a full "review" of my cycle down the road. (Wk 1-4: 30mg Tbol/30mg var, Wk 5-10: 60mg var)
 
KOArtist said:
I'm about 3.5 weeks into my tbol/var run now, and I must say the tbol is starting to give me the wicked back pumps, which is hampering my training a bit, but oh well, only about 10 more days of tbol and then I'm off to the backpump free land of var only for another 5-6 weeks. I just figured I'd post here since the tbol could definitely interfere with fight training...although I didn't have any of Radar's handy Lindberg Milk Thistle around..so that might have cured the backpumps if I knew they were coming.

I'll do a full "review" of my cycle down the road. (Wk 1-4: 30mg Tbol/30mg var, Wk 5-10: 60mg var)
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Backpumps are usually caused by water retention. Try upping your water intake and try some Dandelion root. This should help to get rid of excess water retention which may help your back. It seems with some compounds, no matter what precautions you take will cause issues. It's really a trial and error.
 
Small update... did kick drills yesterday again... for whatever reason I was a fucking machine. No fatigue at all and I was finishing everything strong. I even did an extra 15 minutes of bag work after. I did only inclined walking cardio in the AM, so this probably kept me from gassing out in the evening.
 
ass_face said:
Small update... did kick drills yesterday again... for whatever reason I was a fucking machine. No fatigue at all and I was finishing everything strong. I even did an extra 15 minutes of bag work after. I did only inclined walking cardio in the AM, so this probably kept me from gassing out in the evening.
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This should be the EQ you are week 3+ right?
 
kickboxer195 said:
I do GH alone, have have gotten excellent results for what I wanted......
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When I finally make the decision to use GH, it will be for the rest of my life... so I am putting that off.

How has the GH worked for your joints and connective tissue? That is the only thing I would use it for, because its anabolic properties are nearly nonexistant if not used with insulin.
 
I definately did not use GH for any muscle-building reasons, as I can LOOK at a dumbbell and gain weight! I thought it did well with the nagging shoulder/hand injuries sustained over 12+ years of fighting. I liked the fat loss, and really liked the overall energy/stamina benefits.

I don't plan on coming off, so at 31 years old I'm basically on for good. I still think even GH alone helped with 'some' muscle, as I was looking at some pics from vacation, and I'm more built that previously without really touching weights (other than plyo type training).
 
Word!!! I'm holding off on the GH till I'm older as well 40+ and then never coming off. GH is great for fighters for many reasons joints, tendons, resilience, etc. What kind of hand injury did you have? Boxers fracture? I'm dealing with a really annoying fracture I got in a street fight 5 years ago. Lately without wraps it is immediately painful and swells up. My doctor said I have full range of motion so I don't need surgery and that I should just stop punching things......so I punched him in the face and told him that was impossible J/K!!! but really I told him that because I love training there’s no chance of that. Any of you had luck with surgery to strengthen your hand? For me its my right pinky knuckle that seems to have been pushed back about a half inch.
 
doesn't GH supposedly help hand/eye coordination too? Or maybe it's just that it kind of rejuvenates the eyes/eyesight? I seem to remember hearing somebody say that's the reason Barry Bonds started hitting so well (not just the extra strength from gear, but the hand/eye "rejuvenation" effect of GH. Anyone know?
 
KOArtist said:
doesn't GH supposedly help hand/eye coordination too? Or maybe it's just that it kind of rejuvenates the eyes/eyesight? I seem to remember hearing somebody say that's the reason Barry Bonds started hitting so well (not just the extra strength from gear, but the hand/eye "rejuvenation" effect of GH. Anyone know?
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LOL... I would not put too much stock in that. GH is great, but it is not the miracle drug that many would have you believe. It will do exactly what kickboxer195 said... rejuvenate joints, help a bit with fat loss and possible aid in a little more muscle, but it won't turn you into a God.

I am seriously considering it for my joints. My knees and elbows take a bit to loosen up. Too many 600 pound squats and 400 pound benches in my younger days. I am sure my connective tissue could use the help.
 
Deltroit
Word!!! I'm holding off on the GH till I'm older as well 40+ and then never coming off. GH is great for fighters for many reasons joints, tendons, resilience, etc. What kind of hand injury did you have? Boxers fracture? I'm dealing with a really annoying fracture I got in a street fight 5 years ago. Lately without wraps it is immediately painful and swells up. My doctor said I have full range of motion so I don't need surgery and that I should just stop punching things......so I punched him in the face and told him that was impossible J/K!!! but really I told him that because I love training there’s no chance of that. Any of you had luck with surgery to strengthen your hand? For me its my right pinky knuckle that seems to have been pushed back about a half inch.
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Overall 'nagging' hand soreness, and (2) surgeries on my left thumb that gets flared up alot since I throw alot of left hooks. Surgeries helped, but you can never expect it to be at your original level..
 
kickboxer195 said:
Overall 'nagging' hand soreness, and (2) surgeries on my left thumb that gets flared up alot since I throw alot of left hooks. Surgeries helped, but you can never expect it to be at your original level..
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I would never expect that, but I have some of the "naggin" soreness your talking about. Oh well I'll just deal with it.
 
thats a big ass reason I love var so much...I get to the point where I have multiple "non specific"/overuse type pseudo-injuries (damn, I sound smart with that sentence.) It's usually my shoulders and wrists/hands, sometimes the ole surgery knee, an ankle here and there...but about 2 weeks into var, everytime, my shit seems magically aight pretty quickly.

Even though I can feel some sort of uncomfortable stuff happening, it's like the var just makes me fuggedaboutit and I get less and less "injured feeling" w/ each workout. I used to throw up about 365 back in the college football days, then after about 3-4 years of barely training due to injuries, I realized I could barely do a few reps w/ 225, which I used to be able to do 22 times, and this was just a few months ago that I was that weak.

4 weeks into my var/tbol party though, I'm already back to pushing 315 for a few reps, hitting the bags afterwards, playing hoops for 3 hours straight with no problems....ALL things that were starting to seem like "never again, you're too old and crippled" shit for awhile there, lol.

Who knows though, maybe my nagging shoulder injury is just a muscular injury, but boy does var help out, however it's doing it. Beats glucosamine's ass like a redheaded stepchild at the very least, lol.

Curious; why does everybody have this "once I start GH, it's on forever" attitude? Does it shut things down that would never come back or something?
 
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Curious; why does everybody have this "once I start GH, it's on forever" attitude? Does it shut things down that would never come back or something?
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Some research has indicated that... but I tend to not believe it. Also, I think HGH is best when used over a long period of time... 8 months or more. It takes a while for the cumulative regenerating effects to really take hold. I think when that begins to happen, people have even more reason to just stay on for good.

Little Update on the cycle: My cardio is not suffering at all... in fact it has improved. So now I am a little stronger and my cardio is much better. It seems this cycle has done me right so far.
 
so after reading all of these posts, im hearing that you guys feel var is the root to a good mma cycle??because i was thinking winny but then i was told and also read about the joint problems which i was thinking bout just using fish oil, but i take it var is a much better aas. Does it work well enough to take by itself and on that not ive read 100mg/day was the best amount to take. due to the high cost of var that i hear about though, i was also wondering a lower amount to take that would still effect me positively, i hear you guys saying 50/mg, is that a sustantial amount if i use it alone and also what would be the "right" amount of time to use var properly?
 
mbapower00 said:
so after reading all of these posts, im hearing that you guys feel var is the root to a good mma cycle??because i was thinking winny but then i was told and also read about the joint problems which i was thinking bout just using fish oil, but i take it var is a much better aas. Does it work well enough to take by itself and on that not ive read 100mg/day was the best amount to take. due to the high cost of var that i hear about though, i was also wondering a lower amount to take that would still effect me positively, i hear you guys saying 50/mg, is that a sustantial amount if i use it alone and also what would be the "right" amount of time to use var properly?
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I think Winny is a fine alternative, but only use the oral version if you are concerned with testing (injectible winny can crystalize and metabolize at a very slow rate in some people... not worth the risk). I know a top fighter right now that is using winny and he loves it. He is concerned with testing so he is going to stop about 20 days out to be safe... but I have known people that ceased oral winny 12 days before and passed.

As for anavar... It can be a bit more pricey, but if you know where to look, you can get a resonable price. I would say 50-100 a day would be sufficient for an MMA athlete concerned about testing. If you are not, an additional 400 eq and a little test would be perfect. If you need further direction... hit me up with a pm.
 
h_miller said:
Love var to...
ass face who does this affect your recovery between workouts?
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Recovery has not been an issue... except my damn shin splints which crop up from time to time. Other than that, I can go every day. I just have to avoid jumping rope.
 
Little Update... this is about week 4... Strength has skyrocketed, and cardio is not suffering. The only problem I seem to have is mad shoulder pumps during bag work and sparring. Not Good!
 
ass_face said:
Little Update... this is about week 4... Strength has skyrocketed, and cardio is not suffering. The only problem I seem to have is mad shoulder pumps during bag work and sparring. Not Good!
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Are you holding alot of water?
 
Deltroit said:
Well, you only have 1 week left right?
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About a week and half... I think I slated it as a 40 day cycle. I really don't go by 7 day weeks. Yeah... it is a nice boost and noticibly look leaner and ripped.... but I think my training was fine before the cycle.
 
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About a week and half... I think I slated it as a 40 day cycle. I really don't go by 7 day weeks. Yeah... it is a nice boost and noticibly look leaner and ripped.... but I think my training was fine before the cycle.
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So overall were you pleased with your results? Would you change anything and if so what? For you noobs to MMA suplimentation this is the reason why IMO longer cycles work better for mma. The main benefit is that if used properly your able to maintain a high level of training 24/7 week after week. In MMA the top slots of importance rotate with endurance and recovery superceeding muscular size & strength. Your probably only begining to attain some of those benefits in weeks 4-5. When I train for a fight I train 6 days a week 4-6 hours a day. The strength I get from the AAS is great but its the fact that I can train near 100% for long periods and recover quickly that lets me take my ability to the next level. Anyway interesting stuff!
 
Deltroit said:
So overall were you pleased with your results? Would you change anything and if so what? For you noobs to MMA suplimentation this is the reason why IMO longer cycles work better for mma. The main benefit is that if used properly your able to maintain a high level of training 24/7 week after week. In MMA the top slots of importance rotate with endurance and recovery superceeding muscular size & strength. Your probably only begining to attain some of those benefits in weeks 4-5. When I train for a fight I train 6 days a week 4-6 hours a day. The strength I get from the AAS is great but its the fact that I can train near 100% for long periods and recover quickly that lets me take my ability to the next level. Anyway interesting stuff!
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I think you are probably right about the longer cycles for MMA. I think a 10 weeker of EQ, Anavar and a little test, would be a perfect booster... as long as testing wasn't an issue. I think your recovery and overall performance would be awesome with this combo. I am certainly not on your level for training. I only MMA train about 4-5 times a week for a 60-90 minutes at a time.
 
ass_face said:
I think you are probably right about the longer cycles for MMA. I think a 10 weeker of EQ, Anavar and a little test, would be a perfect booster... as long as testing wasn't an issue. I think your recovery and overall performance would be awesome with this combo. I am certainly not on your level for training. I only MMA train about 4-5 times a week for a 60-90 minutes at a time.
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I don't train like that anymore either :) , I'm to busy with work these days. I was just trying to help the guys who are posting "best cycle for mma" threads everyday. If I get 4-5 days a week in now for 1-2hrs I'm happy. Honestly for the avg. joe who just wants to learn mma you don't need any AAS. Anymore, I just use them to look good and feel good which is what I'm sure the vast majority of people here really want. I'm glad everything worked out well for you.
 
Deltroit said:
I don't train like that anymore either :) , I'm to busy with work these days. I was just trying to help the guys who are posting "best cycle for mma" threads everyday. If I get 4-5 days a week in now for 1-2hrs I'm happy. Honestly for the avg. joe who just wants to learn mma you don't need any AAS. Anymore, I just use them to look good and feel good which is what I'm sure the vast majority of people here really want. I'm glad everything worked out well for you.
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Exactly... I think cardio and training go just as well if not better without AAS as with on. The only difference may be better recovery and a little more strength, but AAS is certainly not a magic elixir. The bottom line for me is that if I want to perform at a higher level I need to drop 10-15 pounds. So right now a cycle was probably not necessary.... but old habits die hard... :p

I think too many guys have this idealized view of steroids and that it is going to make you into an unstoppable machine. That is far from the truth.
 
MikeMartial said:
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I am finished now... I would say it was a success. Cardio got better, weight maybe dropped about 7-8 pounds and considering how much i was working and how little I was eating thats pretty amazing. Definitely leaned out big time. In the future, I think I can go with even less though.
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
soo did you have a fight or what??
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No just was epperimenting to see what works the best. For me and other fighters in the gym.

I would have to say this:

Winstrol, Anavar and Boldenone are a good combo. Also, Masteron (if you can get it) is beneficial. Add 200mg of test a week for normal sexual function.

Stay away from Deca, Heavy Test, d-bol, anadrol etc... the water retention will kill your cardio.
 
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where you trying to cut weight at all during your cycle? i have been doing trt for about 3 years now. test gel and 1.2ius of hgh. i am over 40 but going to do a fight in 9 weeks. so i upped things a little. i stopped the testgel and started 500mg of test/week , 400mg of EQ, and upped the hgh dose to 3ius. i am in weeks 4 into it.enough to start the EQ and test to kick in. i know diet is the one of most important things. i need to drop a total of 25lbs. i have dropped 10. but the problem is my olympic lifts and weights have actually gone down. although cardio is important, i like the power advantage that the olympic and power lifting exercises give me. i was deadlifting 465lb two months ago at 195lbs and now at around 185lbs, i couldn't get 415 today. i figured even though i was dropping weight i would keep the strength with the extras i was imputing into my body. maybe it is the extra grappling and striking training draining me. but if anyone has any diet advice or another secret to keeping the weights moving up in the gym and the weights moving the opposite direction on the scale. i would appreciate any advice.
 
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